Switched from Star Citizen to Elite (and reasons why)

drakmaniso

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<grins> Yeah... though too many gamers think that they are, or should be.
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I think there is (at least) two aspect to this:

  1. It's not easy to keep in mind that overcoming difficulties can play a big part in the sensation of "fun".
  2. Each player has slightly different ways, and if you try to take them all into account you'll probably end up with a game consisting of a single, big, red button with "WIN!" written on it.

I think FD has found a clever way to deal with this through the Design Discussion forum. The fact that it's a back and forth between public and internal discussion leaves room for both feedback and a strong and consistent vision.
 

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drakmaniso said:
I think there is (at least) two aspect to this:

  1. It's not easy to keep in mind that overcoming difficulties can play a big part in the sensation of "fun".
  2. Each player has slightly different ways, and if you try to take them all into account you'll probably end up with a game consisting of a single, big, red button with "WIN!" written on it.

I think FD has found a clever way to deal with this through the Design Discussion forum. The fact that it's a back and forth between public and internal discussion leaves room for both feedback and a strong and consistent vision.
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This sounds like an excellent approach. I regret I've missed so much of it. Would loved to have chipped in.
 
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OK, so I descended into epic nerd rage spread over three days...My only defence is that's what a year of listening to double talk can do to you.

I guess I've calmed down now.

Playing the beta missions last few nights also helped. loving it!
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Philip Coutts

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I've tried to avoid a lot of the SC stuff despite the fact I've backed it. There seems to be a massive degree of hype around SC which is a dangerous thing to manage. Yes you want people to be excited by the product and put forward ideas but at the same time you have to manage that expectation and draw the line as to what you are trying to achieve.

ED seems to have surprised a lot of people (not me) and I think the understated marketing has a lot to do with that. I've watched a lot of the SC stuff and it looks really good but I also cringed when the crowd were whooping at the pilot spinning his helmet. Yes it looked really good but essentially it's fluff, after the first time or two it will become boring and annoying.

Two different approaches and hopefully two excellent games at the end of it.
 
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Jack Booted Thug

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Honestly, just to be clear, the fact that ED is coming out before, or indeed SC is/may continue to slip has nothing to do with it. I'm 43 and have already waited close to 30 years. I really dont care if I have to wait a little longer, especially these days when you can feel part of it even before it's released. The real issue is what limited spare time I have I want to commit to the right game for me, and moreover not be conned into buying mutton dressed up as lamb. i.e flying around million polygon ships, costing up to a $1000 dollars, in 3rd person view using a gamepad, all the while boxed by invisible barriers into small relatively empty instances making up a universe with less systems than the London underground has tube stations. When finally grasped as such, the mind boggles that this can be anyone's idea of the space faring game they always wanted to play.
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Heh.

You are making me more inclined to sell off the rest of my Star Citizen ships. I try and justify holding on to them due to the fact that Star Citizen is practically a free ride minus the time I have spent playing the out of game pledge market.
 
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MrShadowfax

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I'm going to repost this here.. I already posted it in the OT forum because, well, I felt I had to.. the facepalm was so great that I couldn't deal with it myself. I need your faces, and palms, to help. And I won't even need to explain what's wrong with the comment, or how often I see this kind of comment on SC videos.

The comment is from a backer, and was made on one of the most recent RSI youtube vids:

"Star Citizen is by far the best game ever made. Period. Give them every dollar you can afford. Please. They are changing the way Games are made. Chris is the man. Sandi is the best Head of Marketing in the industry. The team is comprised of the best of the best of the industry. Chelsea is the best customer service rep you could ever ask for. Thank you CIG, you truly have outdone not only everyone expectations but even our greatest imagination.

See you in the Verse!"

The above basically sums up the reason I haven't supported SC.
 
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MrShadowfax said:
I'm going to repost this here.. I already posted it in the OT forum because, well, I felt I had to.. the facepalm was so great that I couldn't deal with it myself. I need your faces, and palms, to help. And I won't even need to explain what's wrong with the comment, or how often I see this kind of comment on SC videos.

The comment is from one of the most recent RSI youtube vids:

"Star Citizen is by far the best game ever made. Period. Give them every dollar you can afford. Please. They are changing the way Games are made. Chris is the man. Sandi is the best Head of Marketing in the industry. The team is comprised of the best of the best of the industry. Chelsea is the best customer service rep you could ever ask for. Thank you CIG, you truly have outdone not only everyone expectations but even our greatest imagination.

See you in the Verse!"

The above basically sums up the reason I haven't supported SC.
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What a pile of cack. These guys are even beginning to give hype a bad name.
 

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You have to admire their enthusiasm though and I hope that it works out for them. The last I read stated that they a pencilled in release date for the end of 2016. That's a lot of development time, but then they have promised a lot as well. Good luck to them I say and there is always ED for their backers in the interim.
 

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I struggle to see why enthusiastically lying and making wild claims to get more money from gamers should be admired.
 
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Memnoch

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I was talking about the enthusiasm of their fans, not by any alleged attempts by the games developers to make money through deception. I don't know enough about them to comment on that, merely the fans comment that was posted.
 

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Memnoch said:
I was talking about the enthusiasm of their fans, not by any alleged attempts by the games developers to make money through deception. I don't know enough about them to comment on that, merely the fans comment that was posted.
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I see. From what Mr. Shadowfax wrote that was not a fans comment, that came direct from RSI.

MrShadowfax please correct me if I got the wrong end of the stick there.
 

MrShadowfax

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I see. From what Mr. Shadowfax wrote that was not a fans comment, that came direct from RSI.

MrShadowfax please correct me if I got the wrong end of the stick there.
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It was a fan comment posted on a RSI youtube video, sorry if that wasn't clear. EDIT: Comment has now been deleted by the OP, after another SC fan told them to not go over the top, and remember what happened with X: R. lol
 

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Bains said:
I see. From what Mr. Shadowfax wrote that was not a fans comment, that came direct from RSI.

MrShadowfax please correct me if I got the wrong end of the stick there.
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It was the line "Thank you CIG" that made me assume it was a fan commenting. If there's one thing I'm good at it's readin' an' stuff. ;)
 

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MrShadowfax said:
It was a fan comment posted on a RSI youtube video, sorry if that wasn't clear. EDIT: Comment has now been deleted by the OP, after another SC fan told them to not go over the top, and remember what happened with X: R. lol
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Was this guy wearing a wizards outfit with a "I Trust Chris Roberts" badge stuck to his forehead perchance?
 

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Jack Booted Thug said:
Heh.

You are making me more inclined to sell off the rest of my Star Citizen ships. I try and justify holding on to them due to the fact that Star Citizen is practically a free ride minus the time I have spent playing the out of game pledge market.
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This is true. But of course like all markets it could also go the other way and suddenly start getting very ugly. At times the ship market does remind me of Tulip mania.

If the book "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" was ever updated I think you'd have to add a chapter on Star Citizen ships
 
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Earthshine

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Hope it isn't too much of a resurrection posting in this thread, but having joined the forums fairly recently I hadn't really looked at anything outside of the gameplay forum, and this thread interested me.

I came across SC shortly after I found out about ED (near the end of the kickstarter), and I was initially impressed by the graphical detail demonstrated in the kickstarter.

Bains' post resonated with me because he has touched upon the idea of something like a "marketing steamroller". This is exactly how I have viewed SC too, very powerful marketing and exceptional public support. I watched (some of, skipped a few bits) the PAX east stream and I felt a distinct disappointment in the way it was handled. I found it to be an awful viewing experience and swung my decision to back SC away from: "yes, think I will do it soon" to "No chance, not until it's looking properly interesting".

It's a matter of opinion of course, but the horrible helmet animation (I really can't fathom why people got so excited about this, it's just a helmet) combined with the (imo) distinctly boring weapons fire and the highly questionable missile lock on (and actual launch of) animations, led me to believe that I had backed the correct project, and correctly avoided SC.

I've read in many places (largely comments) complaints (or put downs I suppose) that ED did not supply enough information, or lacked "flash". What I have found strange in this is that I have found it incredibly difficult to keep even the most remote track of what is going on in SC at all.

There are now so many "communications", and so many videos on the RSI website that I just don't have time to work out what is going on with regards to their plans for the game. In comparison I've found EDs newsletters absolutely brilliant, it takes a couple of minutes per newsletter, and I've found they give the gist of plans nicely. Perhaps I haven't been looking in the right places, I'm not sure!

I doubt I'm enough of a forum presence anywhere to say with any degree of "evidence" (this is the only forum I use...and I'm new to this), but I can't help but feel that there's something of a mental "lock" for many people when it comes to SC, sort of like..."I've backed it, I'm invested in it....I just can't admit that another game is a contender...or doing it better".

As I mentioned above regarding communication, I do wonder if it's all a big distraction, the whole "wingmans hangar"....the next great starship...and so many other little features that don't really amount to anything except some time (and quite alot if you check it all out I imagine...I've only checked a few out, it's too time consuming) spent listening/reading.

Please note that I don't intend this post as purely criticism towards SC, more the reasons I was close to backing it but did not and why I am glad of that decision. Critical analysis is inevitable, as it is the rational behind decisions after all.
 
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