UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 6 - The Canonn

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The symbol on the Barnacles looks to me like the Heart Nebula, the California Nebula and the Barnards Loop nebula.

Of those I would go with the loop. The heart and the California are copy paste nebula you see repeated again and again through the galaxy, just rotated one way or another.
 
Of those I would go with the loop. The heart and the California are copy paste nebula you see repeated again and again through the galaxy, just rotated one way or another.

I am 90% sure the California nebula is hand crafted. Just cause it has that feel and look when your there.
 
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Okay chaps, with the discovery of new barnacle sites in the California Nebula I think I might be forgiven for wondering why we are not (as far as I am aware) finding UAs in California also. I mean we have long assumed a link right?
So I (among others – I’ll leave it to them to announce their participation, or not as they see fit), am out here in the California Nebula, doing full system scans whilst diving into any Sources that pop up.
It’s slow going. So far I have scanned a mere 12 systems, spending upwards of 20 minutes in each. 20 minutes is the arbitrary minimum period I have chosen as being likely(?) to reveal any SS if they are there, and is a long time to wait when the system only has a single star for scanning.
Moving on, so far: nothing. Degraded emissions sources in about 2/3rds of the systems I have visited so far. Other than that: nada. Anyhoo, Rome apparently not having been built in a day I shall soldier on until either I find something, somebody else finds something, or I run out of California Sector systems to scan (which should keep me busy!). I am not recording my ‘finds’, but I am bookmarking each system in the GalMap, so I will at least be able to review stuff if and when.
Meanwhile, why are there no UAs out here? Should we be concerned at all? Over to you.
Layne.

So we have two nebulae with barnacles and only one area with UAs (that we know of - Layne/SP and others: the idea of searching Cali for UAs is a worthwhile one for sure).

So, though it's not as if we needed confirmation, the nebulae are key to the Barnacles, but they're not key to the UAs, unless we accept their origin as being in the California sector.

I'm guessing that the nebulae yield these barnacles either because of A) Their makeup (i.e. the types of particles etc that are there) or B) because of their location/origin. If these are the only two nebulae with Barnacles, then the question is what makes them so special. Is it the gamers' principle again? I.e. They're close enough to us for us to find them? Or something materially different about them.

The Pleiades nebula is a wanderer - it didn't form where it is now. What about California?
 
So we have two nebulae with barnacles and only one area with UAs (that we know of - Layne/SP and others: the idea of searching Cali for UAs is a worthwhile one for sure).

So, though it's not as if we needed confirmation, the nebulae are key to the Barnacles, but they're not key to the UAs, unless we accept their origin as being in the California sector.

I'm guessing that the nebulae yield these barnacles either because of A) Their makeup (i.e. the types of particles etc that are there) or B) because of their location/origin. If these are the only two nebulae with Barnacles, then the question is what makes them so special. Is it the gamers' principle again? I.e. They're close enough to us for us to find them? Or something materially different about them.

The Pleiades nebula is a wanderer - it didn't form where it is now. What about California?

They move? Hmm... I dont know why but when Micheal said "It relates to there origin" seems pretty... coincidental
 
Hi all. I have a couple of "noob" questions. I am currently sitting on a planet in California Sector. I have been pootling about scannng planets and systems, in my usual haphazard manner and am trying to decide what to do next.

Is it worth continuing to survey systems at California, or moving on to another nebula to see if I have more success. There does seem to be a sufficiency of High Metal content landable planets around California, but perhaps due to poor luck or an absence of barnacles I have come up empty.

That was one, the other is the noobish one. I seem to recall that barnacles do not show up as POIs. Is this still! true? My current technique is to survey for high metal planets with canyons with sand coloured floors. I fly down these at about 250m fairly slowly. This can be somewhat of a drag. Is there a better way?

Thanks for any help.

Fly safe Comanders.
 
So we have two nebulae with barnacles and only one area with UAs (that we know of - Layne/SP and others: the idea of searching Cali for UAs is a worthwhile one for sure).

So, though it's not as if we needed confirmation, the nebulae are key to the Barnacles, but they're not key to the UAs, unless we accept their origin as being in the California sector.

I'm guessing that the nebulae yield these barnacles either because of A) Their makeup (i.e. the types of particles etc that are there) or B) because of their location/origin. If these are the only two nebulae with Barnacles, then the question is what makes them so special. Is it the gamers' principle again? I.e. They're close enough to us for us to find them? Or something materially different about them.

The Pleiades nebula is a wanderer - it didn't form where it is now. What about California?


A few thoughts off the back of this: all just unprovable speculation mind...


It is possible that it is simply that the Pleiades mining operation is new, and so is being monitored, where as the California operation is established and so is just ticking away.

Of course there are lots of questions on that such as why monitor from a vantage point that means it will be one and a half centuries before you see anything? Unless they are monitoring the whole area inside the shell, recording FSD jumps, how many and where.

That said I am not convinced the UAs and Barnacles have the same origins. We can get to the other side of the galaxy with effort. So it stands to reason that other space faring races can get to the Pleiades from the other side of the galaxy. Perhaps someone else spotted the Barnacles and set up UAs to monitor for them.

...which pops the idea of competing AI's, originally based on Human tech, fighting there own military or economic wars out in the black.
 
Of those I would go with the loop. The heart and the California are copy paste nebula you see repeated again and again through the galaxy, just rotated one way or another.

The symbol consists of three separate shapes. My theory is that it represents three different nebula. But bernard's loop looks like an obvious on in there.
There are four symbols per barnacle no? Is that number significant perhaps? Is there no way of opening the barnacles? I have heard that they are immune to damage but perhaps they open with a certain key?

I still think that the UAs around Merope arent really pointing at the barnacles. I think the barnacles are evidence of alien activity in the regions but not necessarily the same puzzle. More like a distraction.
 
The symbol consists of three separate shapes. My theory is that it represents three different nebula. But bernard's loop looks like an obvious on in there.
There are four symbols per barnacle no? Is that number significant perhaps? Is there no way of opening the barnacles? I have heard that they are immune to damage but perhaps they open with a certain key?

I still think that the UAs around Merope arent really pointing at the barnacles. I think the barnacles are evidence of alien activity in the regions but not necessarily the same puzzle. More like a distraction.


This ^ I Agree. I think the barns are just distractions. People are searching for barns. When we should be searching for the probes.
 
The symbol consists of three separate shapes. My theory is that it represents three different nebula. But bernard's loop looks like an obvious on in there.
There are four symbols per barnacle no? Is that number significant perhaps? Is there no way of opening the barnacles? I have heard that they are immune to damage but perhaps they open with a certain key?

I still think that the UAs around Merope arent really pointing at the barnacles. I think the barnacles are evidence of alien activity in the regions but not necessarily the same puzzle. More like a distraction.

That the UAs don't specifically point at Merope because of the barnacles has basically been confirmed by MB.
 
Hi guys, I've been busy scanning systems in the Cali Neb, yet to find anything concrete relating to more barnacles or UA's yet, but I did find an ammonia world and a water world with life orbiting it's M type star deep in the heart of the nebula, not sure if this is related with anything to do with the barnacles or UA's though.

It's the only system in the Cali neb that has terrestrial based life that I've found so far.

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A few thoughts off the back of this: all just unprovable speculation mind...


It is possible that it is simply that the Pleiades mining operation is new, and so is being monitored, where as the California operation is established and so is just ticking away.

Of course there are lots of questions on that such as why monitor from a vantage point that means it will be one and a half centuries before you see anything? Unless they are monitoring the whole area inside the shell, recording FSD jumps, how many and where.

That said I am not convinced the UAs and Barnacles have the same origins. We can get to the other side of the galaxy with effort. So it stands to reason that other space faring races can get to the Pleiades from the other side of the galaxy. Perhaps someone else spotted the Barnacles and set up UAs to monitor for them.

...which pops the idea of competing AI's, originally based on Human tech, fighting there own military or economic wars out in the black.

Yesterday in MAIA I spotted a USS and dropped in. Saw an AI Relic floating there and suddenly I was ambushed by 2 very difficult ai pilots. I got away with half my hull destroyed. Then there are the shadowy humans blackops guys who abducted the scientist and interrogated him. What's the reason of doing that if they can just ask him about the aliens. Why go through all the trouble unless they have secrets about all this stuff, unless it is black ops stuff like Artificial Intelligence.

These barnacles are Bio-engineered organisms according to DB. The UA's have what look like Nano-bots floating around and same thing with the Barnacles. The UAs when damaged self repair by sending out those nano bots to grab the materials from around them.

Then there is the whole human like communication with the UA's and Morse code like communication. There also seems to be connections with Powerplay, and Engineers with all this. I dont know what to think anymore honestly.

Has anyone tried deciphering the scanning noises made from Deep surface scans at the Merope system? Maybe hidden among one of the astros here is a message or clue leading to the discovery of something that was missed.

by the way, I also scouted out California for UAs. I started from 300 Ly away from it all the way to the inside of it. No UAs found.

 
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Which translated means anything or everything we thought we knew now may or may not be canon at the whim of FDev.
Fair enough, it's their game.
Not feeling the love here though...

Personally, I find this energising, because it means that we really are discovering new things as we progress - and everyone works on a level playing field, regardless of whether they know the old games inside out or not (I don't).

And, to be honest, it means less confusion because we're not guessing based on half-remembered and contradictory things from previous stories.

Just my POV on that.
 

Hm. On the one hand I am not a fan of that, because it takes away what little lore there was, which I liked quite a lot. On the other hand, it might indicate that FD is actively working on revised lore, meaning we might get something official from them at some time.

Would be interesting to know how this affects Elite: Encounters http://daftworks.co.uk/eliterpg/index.php/Welcome , though. Wasn't that supposed to contain a lot of lore and background information?

Cheers, CMDR Heisenberg6626
 
Personally, I find this energising, because it means that we really are discovering new things as we progress - and everyone works on a level playing field, regardless of whether they know the old games inside out or not (I don't).

And, to be honest, it means less confusion because we're not guessing based on half-remembered and contradictory things from previous stories.

Just my POV on that.

Yeah but we only progress when FD wants us to :p like. Are there any alien ships in the game yet?
 
Personally, I find this energising, because it means that we really are discovering new things as we progress - and everyone works on a level playing field, regardless of whether they know the old games inside out or not (I don't).

And, to be honest, it means less confusion because we're not guessing based on half-remembered and contradictory things from previous stories.

Just my POV on that.

I can see that :) On the other hand, there's a lot of people who got here because of their love of the previous games.....
 
More semi random thinking...


What is a Barnacle for?

Mining it would seem. Nebula are rich in many elements, so stars and planets inside them would be a good place to get materials. This could account for the Barnacles only appearing inside nebula.

What do they do?


They manufacture Meta-Alloys apparently. A bio-engineered factory. The spikes seem to be the delivery method. As material is mined (eaten?) and processed (digested?) it is pushed up into the spikes to be collected (by who?).

For what reason?

So far, the only thing we have found that Meta-Alloys are useful for is protection from the auto-repair systems of UAs. If we assume that is what Meta-Alloys and therefore Barnacles were for then they were created specifically to help move/study UAs.

But

UAs are pointing at Merope. Which makes you think the UAs and monitoring Barnacles (yes we know they are elsewhere). So... which came first? This train of thought is a bit Chicken and the egg.



I'm guessing that the Barnacles are indeed simply Meta-Alloy producers, as opposed to Meta-alloys being a waste byproduct (although that in itself is an interesting idea). But here, I am also assuming Meta-Alloys are made to help contain UAs. That could itself simply be a handy side effect of interactions between two completely different technologies.
 
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Of course there are lots of questions on that such as why monitor from a vantage point that means it will be one and a half centuries before you see anything?

For the same reason you put security cameras overlooking your own backyard, instead of three blocks away, perhaps?

So it stands to reason that other space faring races can get to the Pleiades from the other side of the galaxy.

Does it? Why would any/every other species in the galaxy have equivalent-level tech? After all, Elite itself has gone through about three different FTL technologies in less than two centuries. There s no reason to believe that anyone else in the galaxy does things in the same way as us.
 
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