UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 6 - The Canonn

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Well yeah, every single station I've looked at has Unknown Probe listed on the prohibited list, but I've never actually seen Unknown Artefact, or UA written on one. Does anyone have an example of where does?

go to a black market, sell the UAs, see the "unknown artefact" name in it. I can upload a screenshot but I guess it is not needed. will take a closer look later.
 
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Well yeah, every single station I've looked at has Unknown Probe listed on the prohibited list, but I've never actually seen Unknown Artefact, or UA written on one. Does anyone have an example of where does?

The name in the prohibited list has to match the name used in the inventory list of your ship. UAs are still Unknown Artefacts in the inventory list, so it's not the same object.
 
Would be much appreciated, and could potentially save me some time. It seems like a simple thing someone would of thought of doing, but without any records it I cant rule it out in my own mind.

EDIT: The only things I can find that relate in anyway to my theory are;

There have been small reported cases of UA's not aligning to Merope. It is unknown whether it is a bug or not. MB has stated that the UA's are pointing where they are supposed to.

Could the ones reported not aligning to merope, could they have been pointing to another star in a another nebula? Seeding the California nebula for example? Damn I wish I could just go test this out now haha :/

I suspect as Han_Zen says the occasional UA pointing misbehaviour is likely to be transaction server/comms-related, and Udo checked out yesterday that the UA he found still pointed to Merope (& in-system to Merope's star). However if you really want to double check you could visit 10 or 20 UAs in the shell, see if any are not pointing to Merope, then see if they are pointing to any other system- I suspect it would be in the Pleiades. I suspect IF there is another system pointed to (& I wouldn't put it past FD to code in some variation with another system that is somehow related to & complicates this UA puzzle!) then it would be one of the other of the 7 sisters: Sterope, Electra, Maia, Taygeta, Celaeno, and Alcyone, or their parents Atlas and Pleione.
 
go to a black market, sell the UAs, see the "unknown artefact" name in it. I can upload a screenshot but I guess it is not needed. will take a closer look later.


Yes, I know it is still called "Unknown Artefact" when shown as a commodity on the market and in the hold... but I don't know that necessarily means that the prohibited list will always be the exact wording. Prohibited items often don't even show on the list, so I'm not convinced they even use the same source/file/list type thing. I think at this stage, it still possible there might be inconsistencies in the naming. I'd be happy to be proved wrong on this, because I'd love for us to find something new, it's just... I don't know... I'm a sceptic :D
 
Well yeah, every single station I've looked at has Unknown Probe listed on the prohibited list, but I've never actually seen Unknown Artefact, or UA written on one. Does anyone have an example of where does?
Not everything illegal appears in the list of illegal goods. For example, salvaged Trade Data doesn't appear usually, but actually appears as illegal in most jurisdictions (distinct from Stolen, just for completeness).

UA's and UP's are definitely different things.

I don't know... I'm a sceptic
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Totally read that as septic. I would recommend a doctor...
 
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Can the Canonn Newsletter serve also as the Canonn Journal? And people who conduct experiments, apart from posting them in these forums, also send them to the Canonn Website, where they will be published and organised. People could then browse and even review such experiments, while the main discussion is still led here.

Of course this would require some time and resources from the Canonn team. For myself, I'm willing to help in this in any way. I truly believe that organising facts and results is one of the tastiest biscuits science can have!

I would suggest it should be a spreadsheet something similar to the Monster (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...SfSJna6mTuLs/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=2126209210) & on Google sheets or whatever so freely accessible to anyone, not just Canonn members. It might be nice to have a summary of research in the Canonn newsletter, but that is up to the originators & I like what they have done so far.

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I think you'll all understand why I didn't read the entire thread before posting this, so I'm sorry if you guys already know and I'm just preaching to the choir. I finally got Horizons the other day for my Xbox One, and the first thing I did after the first day of familiarizing myself with the mechanics was visit the first Barnacle found in Merope. When I got there, there were four drones to greet me and try to kill me. Now they attacked me while I was in my Clipper, so no harm done. But I thought I should warn you guys that you may get attacked the next time you visit a Barnacle. They were there again after I left the game and loaded back in to the location, so it seems constant. No idea why they were there, I was just warned I was trespassing and was attacked in moments. Be careful guys.

A summary is kept on the first page of threads so you can easily check the latest situation there. Thanks for the update but this has been happening since the 2.1 release. Somebody wants to discourage trespassers on barney sites!
 
I suspect as Han_Zen says the occasional UA pointing misbehaviour is likely to be transaction server/comms-related, and Udo checked out yesterday that the UA he found still pointed to Merope (& in-system to Merope's star). However if you really want to double check you could visit 10 or 20 UAs in the shell, see if any are not pointing to Merope, then see if they are pointing to any other system- I suspect it would be in the Pleiades. I suspect IF there is another system pointed to (& I wouldn't put it past FD to code in some variation with another system that is somehow related to & complicates this UA puzzle!) then it would be one of the other of the 7 sisters: Sterope, Electra, Maia, Taygeta, Celaeno, and Alcyone, or their parents Atlas and Pleione.

this has been my train of thought for a while.

I haven't found anything in seven sisters yet,
Doesn't mean something isn't here.
Other than some sneaky 3g planets ouch.
 

Michael Brookes

Game Director
We independent commanders do, but capital ships seem to still use the old witch-space drives. It makes their arrival very exciting (check one out if you haven't seen it before). So probably Jacques' station is still using that tech too.

No, they use the same technology as frame shift drives, but the energy is colossal (the requirements for regular ships are huge too) so has more effect when entering normal space.

Michael
 

Michael Brookes

Game Director
Thanks for that, I had thought I might have missed something important in lore.

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Now, on that thought: are we absolutely certain that "Unknown Probe" is not just a term that the galactic community have taken to calling the UA for reasons that have not yet been made clear to us. Perhaps it has been decided that they are in fact probes, but it hasn't made it to Galnet? I mean, the UA's behaviour does seem rather probe-like.... I know a lot of people on here have at times been convinced that they are in fact some form of Von-Neumann probe...

It's just that I have been having trouble keeping up to date with the thread again for while, but I am still trying my best.

Unknown probes aren't the same as unknown artefacts.

Michael
 
No, they use the same technology as frame shift drives, but the energy is colossal (the requirements for regular ships are huge too) so has more effect when entering normal space.

Michael

Unknown probes aren't the same as unknown artefacts.

Michael

Thanks again Michael. The capital ship drive rumor has been circulating the forum for more that a year.

Are you planning to announce a guide for what is now considered canon and what is not?

Drew has been so kind to let us know that the primary ending of FFE has been recently been deemed 'non-canon'. This was not unexpected, but it would be nice to know more details.

Particularly on the following sources:

- FE2 Gazetteer.
- Stories Of Life On The Frontier
- Further Stories Of Life On The Frontier
- FFE Journal articles, predating the Thargoid missions

I assume all the official ED books are safe. :)
 
No, they use the same technology as frame shift drives, but the energy is colossal (the requirements for regular ships are huge too) so has more effect when entering normal space.

Wait, so the capital ships also effectively use FSD tech? If so, that's some mighty fast retrofitting in the last 5 years or so. Mind you, I suppose you wouldn't want to be the superpower who hadn't managed to do that...

Interesting that the effects are so different though, and that the capital ships drop into normal space rather than supercruise. Or is "the hole" just the cap ship exiting SC, rather than exiting hyperspace?

Now I'm just dreading to think the turning circle of a Farragut in supercruise. Hope they remembered to zero the throttle before jumping...!
 
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Rather confused why the effect is so very very different with no jump streak. Attempting some mental gymnastics to explain speed of entry/exit from witchspace as more dependent on mass than just speed so larger objects come out slower *bendable_poseable*

p.s. as in exiting it in itself eats momentum, and the mass of capital ships means they come out nearly still
 
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Hi all, wanted to reach out to the folks on the forum and share what I had posted to the Canonn subreddit yesterday. I'll do my best to summarize, not sure if I am allowed to link to the post or not.

I started some research into the types of nebula LBs have been found in but stumbled across another Greek mythology connection. The California nebula is a part of the constellation Perseus, a great hero who ruled the kingdom of Mycenae. This sounded too much like Mycoid, as in mycoid virus, so I looked into the root of the word and it translates to 'mushroom' making it too strange for coincidence(mycoid translating in some texts I saw to fungal). I looked a little further and also found that Perseus had slain a creature called Cetus. No surprise there is a constellation and a nebula named after Cetus. I saw that there were some people looking at the constellation of Cetus recently but no one looking or talking about Cetus Ring, or the Skull Nebula. Skull nebula does exist but the main star of that nebula appears to be renamed to BD-12 134. BD-12 is also a good 30 lightyears from where it should be assuming it is a renamed main star of the Skull nebula. Last night I attempted to get as far as I could and realized the distance it too vast for a standard ship, it will require some serious FSD boosts or a better navigator.

It could be nothing but it feels like a clue when you step back and look at earlier references to Seven Sisters followed by LB discoveries in the Pleiades, then the bit about Cetus' Bane early in the month followed by a LB discovery in Cetus's bane (Perseus).
 
Rather confused why the effect is so very very different with no jump streak. Attempting some mental gymnastics to explain speed of entry/exit from witchspace as more dependent on mass than just speed so larger objects come out slower *bendable_poseable*

p.s. as in exiting it in itself eats momentum, and the mass of capital ships means they come out nearly still

No mental gymnastics required: the ships leave witchspace at the same speed. A capital ship is around 2000m long - travelling at 100 m/s it will take it about 20 seconds to get clear of the wormhole, which is about what we see in the game. By comparison, an Anaconda travelling at the same velocity is clear of its wormhole in just one and a half seconds.

We can also pretend that keeping the tear where witchspace meets real space open for so long is what causes the cool smoke and lightning effects.
 
If anyone is near the WitchHead neb, I could use a hand to search Bd-12 1172, it seems to be the only system in the Spirograph neb, that looks different when in the system.

It has a few planets that come close to the barnacle range, plus its a crazy view from this neb, its like being under water.

Im at 10b
 
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No, they use the same technology as frame shift drives, but the energy is colossal (the requirements for regular ships are huge too) so has more effect when entering normal space.

Michael
So you changed your mind ? https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...art-(friday)?p=1718526&viewfull=1#post1718526
Capital ships don't supercruise, neither do stations. They're too big - they use older hyperspace drives.

Michael
Or did I, and others, misinterpret what you said then ?
 
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