I think I'm out too.

It was with some bemusement that I watched the forums as I flew around in the center of the galaxy in my Asp, seemingly the game had changed beyond all recognition. "Yeah, it's for the better!" screamed the hardcore combat types, as the remainder of the forum grumbled and moaned.

"It can't be that bad, there must be some middle ground" I thought as I flew back. Then partway through my journey home, my Rift turned up, and the game was transformed into a beautiful looking immersive gem of a space flight sim. A couple of days of flying in the Asp with the rift persuaded me to buy a new GTX1070, so that I could turn the graphics up and enjoy this exquisite work of art.

Eventually, at long last, I got back from my exploring trip, handed in my data and got a cool 90mil or so. I was entertaining vague fantasies about getting a Python and learning to fly it so that I'd have a ship powerful enough and well defended enough to get some missions under my belt so I'd have some combat experience with the new difficulty for when the thargoids turn up.

I thought I'd earn a little more cash first though, and since I'd been neglecting my freighter, I jumped into my Type 7 for a bit. Bearing all the recent wailing and gnashing of teeth in mind, I upgraded the shields, added two mine launchers, and added some military grade composite hull armor. Went on a couple of trade runs, nothing special, earned about a million credits or so.
Figuring I'd give my Vulture a bit of a fly around, I set a course for my home station, and got interdicted on the way there. I managed to shrug the interdiction off, four pips to shields, chaff, and high-wake out. But since I needed to get to the station in that system, I had to return. Jumped back in, set a course for my home station again, and got interdicted again (different NPC this time), twice in the space of two minutes.

This time round, I didn't have the option of submitting to interdiction and high waking out, as when I powered down the engine, I went cartwheeling across space like a discus. Eventually I managed stop spinning, drop chaff, to look at my navigation computer and plotted a high-wake route again. Hoping to buy myself some time, I dropped a couple of mines in the Cobra's path and I think I heard them go off, andI started charging the frame shift drive.

At which point three things happened: 1, my shields dropped from two rings to offline. 2, a shot took my hull from high nineties% to 43%, 3. A third shot sent my ass into space and turned my ship into wreckage. I mention again that this was a cobra. Before the update, an anaconda couldn't do that to my Type 7 freighter.

I was more surprised than angry to be honest. I wasn't carrying anything particularly valuable (tea). I repurchased my freighter and eventually made it back to my home station.
I jumped into my vulture and flew that about for a bit, and then I went to play Doom for a bit.

Having slept on it, I don't think that my play stile in Elite is sustainable. I don't see how I can trade, when I'm in a game that now allows me to be interdicted twice in two minutes, and killed in three shots. If running from interdictors is not a valid response and carries little chance of success, and fighting them carries no likelihood of survival, then I must conclude that trading simply isn't viable.
I've just got back from 7 weeks of exploring and it was okay, quite nice actually, but I wouldn't want to go and do it for another seven weeks, so exploring is out too.
And as for combat, well, I'm in my vulture now, half hoping someone would interdict me to see whether someone could confirm my fears/put my mind at ease. But I'm not going to zig zag across space for an hour to try and get it to happen.

Elite is a beautiful beautiful game. It's so beautiful in the rift that I bought a 1070 for it, so I could enjoy everything it had to offer the way it was intended to be enjoyed. It's beautiful, detailed, immersive and polished, and until recently, it was my go-to game whatever mood I was in. I've got over 500 hours in it.

But it seems to have turned into a game where whatever I'm doing can be interrupted by a random who I can't fight and can't run from. And with that in mind I look at the mission bored offering new tasks, or the shipyard offering sparkly new ships, and think What's the point? I'll only lose it.

My friend was getting all excited as I sang Elite's praises on my journey back from the core. How beautiful it looked, how great it felt to fly through space, to land on planets. I'd talked to him about the difficulty spike and told him not to worry, "It simply can't be as bad as people say it is", I said. And now, he's getting excited about jumping into his own ship, I've had to advise him to look at the recent steam reviews, and to advise him that I can't recommend this game anymore.

I'm glad that people are enjoying Elite's new difficulty. I'm sad that I'm not one of them. Especially since I spent nearly a grand in the last two weeks to enjoy the game as it was intended. Now my rift sits unused, my graphics card is idle, my X56 preorder cancelled. And the hardcore combat types can smile, laugh and jeer, as they seem to at anyone who is not a hardcore combat type. I just never got seriously into combat I guess. If I want a sense of achievement from accomplishing something hard, I'll look for it the other side of my bedroom window and not on my computer.
I'll keep an eye on how ED progresses, might even play it from time to time, but any emotional investment I had in it, any hopes and expectations of future enjoyment? I don't have those anymore.

Sad, really.
 
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It was with some bemusement that I watched the forums as I flew around in the center of the galaxy in my Asp, seemingly the game had changed beyond all recognition. "Yeah, it's for the better!" screamed the hardcore combat types, as the remainder of the forum grumbled and moaned.

"It can't be that bad, there must be some middle ground" I thought as I flew back. Then partway through my journey home, my Rift turned up, and the game was transformed into a beautiful looking immersive gem of a space flight sim. A couple of days of flying in the Asp with the rift persuaded me to buy a new GTX1070, so that I could turn the graphics up and enjoy this exquisite work of art.

Eventually, at long last, I got back from my exploring trip, handed in my data and got a cool 90mil or so. I was entertaining vague fantasies about getting a Python and learning to fly it so that I'd have a ship powerful enough and well defended enough to get some missions under my belt so I'd have some combat experience with the new difficulty for when the thargoids turn up.

I thought I'd earn a little more cash first though, and since I'd been neglecting my freighter, I jumped into my Type 7 for a bit. Bearing all the recent wailing and gnashing of teeth in mind, I upgraded the shields, added two mine launchers, and added some military grade composite hull armor. Went on a couple of trade runs, nothing special, earned about a million credits or so.
Figuring I'd give my Vulture a bit of a fly around, I set a course for my home station, and got interdicted on the way there. I managed to shrug the interdiction off, four pips to shields, chaff, and high-wake out. But since I needed to get to the station in that system, I had to return. Jumped back in, set a course for my home station again, and got interdicted again, twice in the space of two minutes.

This time round, I didn't have the option of submitting to interdiction and high waking out, as when I powered down the engine, I went cartwheeling across space like a discus. Eventually I managed stop spinning, drop chaff, to look at my navigation computer and plotted a high-wake route again. Hoping to buy myself some time, I dropped a couple of mines in the Cobra's path and I think I heard them go off, andI started charging the frame shift drive.

At which point three things happened: 1, my shields dropped from two rings to offline. 2, a shot took my hull from high nineties% to 43%, 3. A third shot sent my ass into space and turned my ship into wreckage. I mention again that this was a cobra. Before the update, an anaconda couldn't do that to my freighter.

I was more surprised than angry to be honest. I wasn't carrying anything particularly valuable (tea). I repurchased my freighter and eventually made it back to my home station.
I jumped into my vulture and flew that about for a bit, and then I went to play Doom for a bit.

Having slept on it, I don't think that my play stile in Elite is sustainable. I don't see how I can trade, when I'm in a game that now allows me to be interdicted twice in two minutes, and killed in three shots. If running from interdictors is not a valid response and carries little chance of success, and fighting them carries no likelihood of survival, then I must conclude that trading simply isn't viable.
I've just got back from 7 weeks of exploring and it was okay, quite nice actually, but I wouldn't want to go and do it for another seven weeks, so exploring is out too.
And as for combat, well, I'm in my vulture now, half hoping someone would interdict me to see whether someone could confirm my fears/put my mind at ease. But I'm not going to zig zag across space for an hour to try and get it to happen.

Elite is a beautiful beautiful game. It's so beautiful in the rift that I bought a 1070 for it, so I could enjoy everything it had to offer the way it was intended to be enjoyed. It's beautiful, detailed, immersive and polished, and until recently, it was my go-to game whatever mood I was in. I've got over 500 hours in it.

But it seems to have turned into a game where whatever I'm doing can be interrupted by a random who I can't fight and can't run from. And with that in mind I look at the mission bored offering new tasks, or the shipyard offering sparkly new ships, and think What's the point? I'll only lose it.

My friend was getting all excited as I sang Elite's praises on my journey back from the core. How beautiful it looked, how great it felt to fly through space, to land on planets. I'd talked to him about the difficulty spike and told him not to worry, "It simply can't be as bad as people say it is", I said. And now, he's getting excited about jumping into his own ship, I've had to advise him to look at the recent steam reviews, and to advise him that I can't recommend this game anymore.

I'm glad that people are enjoying Elite's new difficulty. I'm sad that I'm not one of them. Especially since I spent nearly a grand in the last two weeks to enjoy the game as it was intended. Now my rift sits unused, my graphics card is idle, my X56 preorder cancelled. And the hardcore combat types can smile, laugh and jeer, as they seem to at anyone who is not a hardcore combat type. I just never got seriously into combat I guess. If I want a sense of achievement from accomplishing something hard, I'll look for it the other side of my bedroom window and not on my computer.
I'll keep an eye on how ED progresses, might even play it from time to time, but any emotional investment I had in it, any hopes and expectations of future enjoyment? I don't have those anymore.

Sad, really.

Why not get better at the game? ask around , join a wing and learn? The npcs are still super easy. It takes an hour of THEORY how to fight and you are good. If you want I am willing to fly with you and fix your piloting skill in a short time.
Trading? Get a player escort - there is nothing more fun than working together. Still if you are a dedicated solo player... I can't help you.
 
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Why not get better at the game? ask around , join a wing and learn? The npcs are still super easy. It takes an hour of THEORY how to fight and you are good. If you want I am willing to fly with you and fix your piloting skill in a short time.

Thanks for the offer. I generally fly exclusively in solo because I've enough experience with EVE to loathe multiplayer games. ED was where I went to get away from people, not to interact with them.
 
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If you don't want to fight them you should be able to run. However this is already the case, you just need to come up with some defensive strategies like shields, chaff, point defense, mines etc.
 
OP,

I can understand your frustration a little bit but not really.

First, the highly intense interdiction that you suffered from isn't too frequent. It is upsetting but it's not frequent enough to warrant quitting the game since 1: you'll make more than you lost until the next fatal interdiction, no other way around it. Trading is still the most profitable thing you can find, and 2: You'll get better yourself as you learn more and practice more against those. For example, when you throttle down to submit, you still have to follow the escape vector until the drop happens because otherwise you'll lose the interdiction before you slow down enough for safe disengage from SC. Next time, keep this in mind. If you hadn't had the spin of death, you'd most definitely survive that interdiction too.

Second, why are you waiting to be interdicted to try out your vulture? Go to a nav beacon or low res. There are guaranteed wanted ships to shoot at and security to keep you safe.

I'm not saying these to dis you, unlike these other posters on this thread. All you need to do is to learn a bit more about the game you actually love so much. If you can go to 7 weeks of exploration and still love it, you have what it takes to play this game.

Give it another go after you calm down and regain your space itch a little bit. I suspect one reason you feel defeated instead of vengeful is because of the exploration burnout. As a fellow explorer, I admit, it happens. After my last exploration trip, I took a 3 week break, that much I didn't want to see another star system or hear the ship voice lady.

The interdiction frequency and intensity really needs to be tweaked a little to be more reasonable but I'm sure you'll be pretty much OK if you give it another go.

Also, make sure you have 'report crimes against me' on in the right hand panel, functions tab and stick to high sec systems until you feel comfortable facing off to high rank NPCs.
 
OP - take a break, then come back, start slowly and try to learn a few new things. Just giving up because you are afraid you won't be able to learn new things...don't do that. Just take your time. No rush.

Have fun out there.
 
OP,

I can understand your frustration a little bit but not really.

First, the highly intense interdiction that you suffered from isn't too frequent. It is upsetting but it's not frequent enough to warrant quitting the game since 1: you'll make more than you lost until the next fatal interdiction, no other way around it. Trading is still the most profitable thing you can find, and 2: You'll get better yourself as you learn more and practice more against those. For example, when you throttle down to submit, you still have to follow the escape vector until the drop happens because otherwise you'll lose the interdiction before you slow down enough for safe disengage from SC. Next time, keep this in mind. If you hadn't had the spin of death, you'd most definitely survive that interdiction too.

Second, why are you waiting to be interdicted to try out your vulture? Go to a nav beacon or low res. There are guaranteed wanted ships to shoot at and security to keep you safe.

I'm not saying these to dis you, unlike these other posters on this thread. All you need to do is to learn a bit more about the game you actually love so much. If you can go to 7 weeks of exploration and still love it, you have what it takes to play this game.

Give it another go after you calm down and regain your space itch a little bit. I suspect one reason you feel defeated instead of vengeful is because of the exploration burnout. As a fellow explorer, I admit, it happens. After my last exploration trip, I took a 3 week break, that much I didn't want to see another star system or hear the ship voice lady.

The interdiction frequency and intensity really needs to be tweaked a little to be more reasonable but I'm sure you'll be pretty much OK if you give it another go.

Also, make sure you have 'report crimes against me' on in the right hand panel, functions tab and stick to high sec systems until you feel comfortable facing off to high rank NPCs.

I really like this post. Thanks for making it. Firstly:
hen you throttle down to submit, you still have to follow the escape vector until the drop happens because otherwise you'll lose the interdiction before you slow down enough for safe disengage from SC. Next time, keep this in mind. If you hadn't had the spin of death, you'd most definitely survive that interdiction too.

I didn't know this. I'm used to submitting being the insta-end of interdiction. Now I know how to deal with the spin of death :). Is this a recent change?

Give it another go after you calm down and regain your space itch a little bit. I suspect one reason you feel defeated instead of vengeful is because of the exploration burnout. As a fellow explorer, I admit, it happens. After my last exploration trip, I took a 3 week break, that much I didn't want to see another star system or hear the ship voice lady.

I think you have a point here. I was in such a rush to get back and see the new ED for myself that I was flying 3/4 hours a day of just jumping, scooping, jumping, scooping, I guess I was getting a little crazy towards the end.
But yeah, I like your choice of words. "Defeated, not vengeful", I quite like that. It fits.

I'm not saying these to dis you, unlike these other posters on this thread. All you need to do is to learn a bit more about the game you actually love so much. If you can go to 7 weeks of exploration and still love it, you have what it takes to play this game...

I think I'm gonna take a break from flying. I think I've been overdoing it. And I think that my game would benefit from my having a few weeks off, and returning with an open mind.

OP - take a break, then come back, start slowly and try to learn a few new things. Just giving up because you are afraid you won't be able to learn new things...don't do that. Just take your time. No rush.

Have fun out there.

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Sorry to see you leave but let's be honest you were looking for a reason to. That's fine. I got DOOM as a father's day present myself and will have to go crank it up. You feared the worst and it happened! Actually getting interdicted twice in 2 minutes is nothing that could not happen pre 2.1. You escaped once and died once. Then you took another ship out and couldn't get interdicted even hoping for one. You own experience does not fit the conclusion you came to. Sometimes you need to move on. Sometimes you need to take a break for a while. Sometimes you need to get back in the saddle.

Good Flying...errrrrr shooting...or what ever you end up doing.
 
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Glad you had fun while it lasted CMDR o7. Keep an eye on the updates though, things may swing back into your favor eventually. In the mean time, we seem to be entering a golden-age of space games, so I'm sure you'll find something else to your liking :)
 
I'm sorry to hear that your leaving.
As suggested earlier, why not just take a break from ED.

No insult intended, but why do people feel the need to say they are leaving?
It has a feeling of, I'm leaving & so should you.
I personally, & many others, like the challenge the new AI poses. As for engineer upgrades, nothing is forcing any player to get them.

If anybody needs help, then the vast majority on the forum, are only to willing to offer the help needed.
Once something is no longer fun, then you should do something else.
I just don't agree with the negative, & non constructive vibe, being posted in various threads.........just leave.
I'm sure you will be back on ED........just like all the others.
 
Sorry to see you leave but let's be honest you were looking for a reason to. That's fine. I got DOOM as a father's day present myself and will have to go crank it up. You feared the worst and it happened! Actually getting interdicted twice in 2 minutes is nothing that could not happen pre 2.1. You escaped once and died once. Then you took another ship out and couldn't get interdicted even hoping for one. You own experience does not fit the conclusion you came to. Sometimes you need to move on. Sometimes you need to take a break for a while. Sometimes you need to get back in the saddle.

Good Flying...errrrrr shooting...or what ever you end up doing.

Glad you had fun while it lasted CMDR o7. Keep an eye on the updates though, things may swing back into your favor eventually. In the mean time, we seem to be entering a golden-age of space games, so I'm sure you'll find something else to your liking :)

I'm sorry to hear that your leaving.
As suggested earlier, why not just take a break from ED.

No insult intended, but why do people feel the need to say they are leaving?
It has a feeling of, I'm leaving & so should you.
I personally, & many others, like the challenge the new AI poses. As for engineer upgrades, nothing is forcing any player to get them.

If anybody needs help, then the vast majority on the forum, are only to willing to offer the help needed.
Once something is no longer fun, then you should do something else.
I just don't agree with the negative, & non constructive vibe, being posted in various threads.........just leave.
I'm sure you will be back on ED........just like all the others.

Are you just posting without looking at how the conversation went? There are more other posts than the OP here.
 
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I'm sorry to hear that your leaving.
As suggested earlier, why not just take a break from ED.

No insult intended, but why do people feel the need to say they are leaving?s.

probably to let FD know they have issues with the game as it is now. Making their voices heard.


I'm still not sure where i stand as i haven't gone bounty hunting (cz only since 2.1 for combat) or done any trading exploring. If it is true that trading can mean insta death on interdiction though, then yeah i dont think that's right. I'm a dedicated solo and frankly even if i wasnt, wouldn't really be into having to find people for every trade run i do. That's a hassle i can do without.
 
I am loving the game just as much if not more than before. The forum however. I am done with wading through whaawhaa post after whaawhaa post. Bunch of babies. Yech.
 
Are you just posting without looking at how the conversation went?

Sorry Cyn, you lost me here. I wished OP well but asked them to be honest. They told us a terrible story that was really not so terrible and left anyways. Made it clear I had no issue with that and wished them farewell. Are you being sarcastic without any little emoticon to let me know. I haven't had my caffeine yet if that's the case.



There are more posts than the OP here.

Frankly, there would not be much of a thread if the OP outnumbered the replies.
 
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Hey OP, if you feel the time is right to take a deserved break, then do it. Enjoy the summer, the sun, family.

Keep an eye on Steam reviews, and FDEV updates and return when you deem it right.

Best of luck commander, no doubt you'll get the exploration bug again soon, and if you're not put off by ludicrous RNG, perhaps you can play wheel of fortune for some FSD upgrades on your next adventure, so you can go even further out.

Fly safe
 
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