General / Off-Topic What does freedom mean to you?

I guess its time to ask the question, to reflect what the word freedom actually mean, the word freedom do not necessary mean the same to you as it does to me.

First let us take a look on the official explanation of the word freedom.

noun
1.
the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint:
He won his freedom after a retrial.
2.
exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
3.
the power to determine action without restraint.
4.
political or national independence.
5.
personal liberty, as opposed to bondage or slavery:
a slave who bought his freedom.
6.
exemption from the presence of anything specified (usually followed by from):
freedom from fear.
7.
the absence of or release from ties, obligations, etc.

We all know that this is actually an illusion, 100% freedom do not exists in a modern society, however there are several "options"one can tick off on the freedom menu, all personal matters and wishes.

1. The right to equal education
2. The right to equal healthcare
3. The right to own land and properties
4. The right to live with whomever you choose (must be legal of age, and sane to protect the individual)
5. The right to freely travel around the globe (not including settlements)
6. The right to bear arms (yes controversial, but its on my list)
7. The right to collect water and grow / harvest food, if you have the possibilities to do it.
8. The right to decide over your own body
9. The right to take or leave employment of your own choosing
10. The right to speak you opinion, in written and spoken form

That would be my 10 point list if I should make one right here and now.
Of course its more complicated than just a 10 bullet point slide show, there are a lot of issues that can't be simplified that easy. However one main rule would be at whatever you decide, it can't impact other people or the environment.

This is, and I know that, a more black and white list, but sometimes we as humans must break it down and ask ourselves these question. Where do you want to let go of some of the point on your list? and more importantly what are your points on the list of "Freedom"
 
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The freedom is a complicated subject, but globally for everybody, the freedom stops where begins that of the others
 
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Objective freedom is always reciprocal - therefore best represented by negative rights - which inherently comes down to aggression (since that is the only remotely-objective element that we can define as being what no sapient creature would desire to be treated towards). Everything else is a privilege or license.
 
This is actually a translation of a Latin phrase that Thomas Jefferson used: Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. It has also been translated as, "I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude."
 
This is actually a translation of a Latin phrase that Thomas Jefferson used: Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. It has also been translated as, "I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude."

Indeed, (as Thomas Jefferson put it) "rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." It does not mean you don't have the right to do what you want, it means each individual has the right to do what he wills as long as he does not violate the same of others and that it is the obligation of the Individual to put an end to those that have chosen to violate the rights of the individual.

Better yet, I just prefer H.L. Mencken's take on it overall: Liberty means self-reliance, it means resolution, it means enterprise, it means the capacity for doing without. The free man is one who has won a small and precarious territory from the great mob of his inferiors, and is prepared and ready to defend it and make it support him. All around him are enemies, and where he stands there is no friend. He can hope for little help from other men of his own kind, for they have battles of their own to fight. He has made of himself a sort of god in his little world, and he must face the responsibilities of a god, and the dreadful loneliness.
 
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What does freedom mean to you?

I have no idea really.
Human apes can be trained to feel free in an oppressive capitalistic, mind numbing corporate media culture that brainwashes them to think that having moneys for buying throwaway things is the highest form of freedom.

I cannot escape my indoctrination.
So I think freedom for me is simply getting used to my shackles.
 
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Yaffle

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I spent a while thinking about this, and I think I've come up with my definition of it, which is that I should be able do anything I like as long as I don't harm anyone else.

Which is a bit Asimov I know, and really difficult to work out a low levels, the definition of harm in particular.
 
I spent a while thinking about this, and I think I've come up with my definition of it, which is that I should be able do anything I like as long as I don't harm anyone else.

Which is a bit Asimov I know, and really difficult to work out a low levels, the definition of harm in particular.

This^
 
It is noted that the words responsibility, loyalty and duty are not mentioned. And just look at European Human Rights - https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/human-rights/human-rights-act. No mention there of these words.
Like the term 'free trade', usually taken to mean trade without regulation. laws, sanctions and tariffs, the term freedom is usually spoken by people being 'regulated' in some way.
Mnay be people want 'free freedom' - freedom without responsibility, no bad consequences for themselves.
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There are the R's of a democratic people.
Reason, Responsibility, Rights.
There has to be reasoning to determine responsibilities and rights. Rights can only be exercised when those responsibilities are accepted and acted upon.
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Yaffle posted this: I should be able do anything I like as long as I don't harm anyone else.
As Yaffle noted, it's the term 'harm' that has now to be defined.
Which means freedom cannot be defined.
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Do I have the freedom to harm those who harm me or intend to harm me?
 
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It is noted that the words responsibility, loyalty and duty are not mentioned. And just look at European Human Rights - https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/human-rights/human-rights-act. No mention there of these words.
Like the term 'free trade', usually taken to mean trade without regulation. laws, sanctions and tariffs, the term freedom is usually spoken by people being 'regulated' in some way.
Mnay be people want 'free freedom' - freedom without responsibility, no bad consequences for themselves.
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There are the R's of a democratic people.
Reason, Responsibility, Rights.
There has to be reasoning to determine responsibilities and rights. Rights can only be exercised when those responsibilities are accepted and acted upon.
...
Yaffle posted this: I should be able do anything I like as long as I don't harm anyone else.
As Yaffle noted, it's the term 'harm' that has now to be defined.
Which means freedom cannot be defined.
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Do I have the freedom to harm those who harm me or intend to harm me?
So long as they are poor and you're in Texas in your own property, then yes ;)
 
So long as they are poor and you're in Texas in your own property, then yes ;)

Well, he he, that was a bit harsh, however if someone enter my home, uninvited and wish to harm even my parrot, they can wipe the rest of their brains of the wall.

I have no patience for criminals in any shape or form.

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I spent a while thinking about this, and I think I've come up with my definition of it, which is that I should be able do anything I like as long as I don't harm anyone else.

Which is a bit Asimov I know, and really difficult to work out a low levels, the definition of harm in particular.


Very good, I agree with this a 100%
 
It is noted that the words responsibility, loyalty and duty are not mentioned. And just look at European Human Rights - https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/human-rights/human-rights-act. No mention there of these words.
Like the term 'free trade', usually taken to mean trade without regulation. laws, sanctions and tariffs, the term freedom is usually spoken by people being 'regulated' in some way.
Mnay be people want 'free freedom' - freedom without responsibility, no bad consequences for themselves.
...
There are the R's of a democratic people.
Reason, Responsibility, Rights.
There has to be reasoning to determine responsibilities and rights. Rights can only be exercised when those responsibilities are accepted and acted upon.
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Yaffle posted this: I should be able do anything I like as long as I don't harm anyone else.[/B]
As Yaffle noted, it's the term 'harm' that has now to be defined.
Which means freedom cannot be defined.

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Do I have the freedom to harm those who harm me or intend to harm me?

Not so.

The term applies to the circumstances.

We have freedom here, on this forum, within the limitations of the posting rules. Those limitations may not be applicable elsewhere, indeed they may even be offensive elsewhere, such as a football match. That doesn't mean they are offensive to freedom here.

Imagine enforcing rules 2, 3 and 9 at a football match! :D
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/251032-Forum-Rules-and-Guidelines-(23-May-2016)
 
Freedom covers many things.

But to have those that represent and care about your interests make the laws, well that is a good start. Or even better like the Swiss who themselves vote many times a year on everything.

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Perhaps freedom is what ever allows you to operate how you wish.
 
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