General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit

[Prince Thrakkath]

Cosmo, please don't gloat, its not how one make peace in this world. We all need to think in a different way. I hope Ireland and Scotland will get independence too.
For too long this world has been locked into geopolitical positions where they don't belong, its time to end it, and its actually a sad day, the nation is divided not united.

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Yeah, I didn't like that reply at all, not at all....

Look its not as simple as winners and losers. My parents both draw UK pensions which will lose value when converting to Euro, nobody should be gloating here, my issue is about how the EU is run. The EU/ECB has far too much power and benefits some countries far more than others. There is time to save it, but much more power needs to be given back to citizens on how their countries are governed so who they vote for in an election actually matters.

 

[lysan]

Ah well.

On the bright side, this result will help to further the cause of an independent Scotland and a unified Ireland.

(and maybe even further down the line and independent Wales? Dare I dream? )

I really hope that will be true one day, I never like the forced Empire building. The Romes tried it, didn't work, The Ottoman Empire tried it and failed, the USSR failed. and I guess the EU will have a hard time to keep the counties together too.
USA is also failing, however due its violet nature it will take a bit longer to crumble.

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Look its not as simple as winners and losers. My parents both draw UK pensions which will lose value when converting to Euro, nobody should be gloating here, my issue is about how the EU is run. The EU/ECB has far too much power and benefits some countries far more than others. There is time to save it, but much more power needs to be given back to citizens on how their countries are governed so who they vote for in an election actually matters.

I agree 100% its a wake up call.

 

[ianw]

Juncker on live just now speaking in more conciliatory tones rather than the combatative stuff from yesterday.

 

[Rob At Work]

WELL DONE ED PLAYERS!

Looking at the two polls (above and actual) they are very, very similar, you called it, YOU ROCK!.

Now all we need is to get Boris to sort out the Solo vs open debate .

Personally, I'm am a vote leave, my principle was simple - if you are in a relationship where you just cannot agree, then something has to give before it breaks uncontrolably.

 

[ianw]

Yup. A lot of the 'Brexits' I spoke with seem to operate under the impression that 'Great Britain' is still a thing; that the country sits at the centre of an empire on which the sun never sets, that Britannia still rules the waves and that the country is still some kind of industrial power-house.

None of them stopped to consider that, for the many things that are good about this country, we're politically and economically on our own we're simply a little island off the coast of the continent, a little island made up of smaller countries.

They seemed to think that they would be able to Leave, trade and operate with the E.U. as if nothing had changed, and giving no thought to the question of Scottish and Irish independence.

The real possibility now exists for Scottish independence, a strong argument can be made for a unified Eire both of whom have voted to Remain.

What then England?

It's a lot more complicated than that.

A lot of the Scottish independence was based in being able to join the EU - what happens to that if as some are saying the EU itself falls apart?

Nothing is terribly predictable right now - many people were caught out by the way the vote went and are still in shock.

 

[Anon Sin]

There are a lot of people here leaving comments about my country who are clueless to the real reason why we have had a referendum,some comments are insulting. This is not about fear,hate and xenophobia but it is about democracy. What is the point of a democratic country if it is not governed by the elected government but instead controlled by an outside force that was not elected by us. As for the comments about how the EU will punish and humilate us for leaving,just check British history to see how we deal with threats and bullies. Maybe you should be more concerned with whats going on in your own countries more than whats going on with my country. Rule,Britannia! Britannia,rule the waves! Britons never,never,never shall be slaves.

 

[The_Quasar]

Some relevant points:-

1. The people of the UK have voted and made a decision. Those that lost should now get behind that decision and help the country, not bleat about what a bad decision it was like spoiled kids.

2. Nigel Farage will not be running the country. He's not even a member of the majority party. He's had his moment, and will likely now fade into history.

3. Scotland, imho, are welcome to have another referendum on leaving the UK. That is how democracy works. Same goes for Northern Ireland.

4. As first one out, it will be interesting to see how long it takes for others to follow. I think that it will not take long, and that the UK economy will be stronger than it was within a relatively short time without the restrictive practices of the EU.

 

[wstephenson]

I do wonder how many LEAVE votes are comparible to a child being unhappy with the way mummy/daddy has been treating them, but in truth unware of what is actually involved in that role/bigger picture, and as such ignoring much of the good?

Not at all - and the children have a right to feel mistreated (inequality/poverty of opportunity/casualisation of the job market/falling living standards/shrinking state service) - but a referendum was always going to be voted on whatever grievances society has, rather than on the actual issue on the ballot. Hand one half of the campaign to a bunch of opportunistic populists able to hold up easy scapegoats (Furreigners!/Faceless eurocrats!), and now we're in this mess. Flinking blip.

 

[Minonian]

Yeah thanks.
The pound has crashed , I am now an immigrant in france , rumours spreading that I might loose my job.

As an expat I could not even vote , so no : no democracy here , not by a longshot

Yup, that's sums up what they did.

 

[Lianachan]

A lot of the Scottish independence was based in being able to join the EU - what happens to that if as some are saying the EU itself falls apart?

Scotland, as was seen again with this vote, is very pro-EU. No case for Scottish independence was made on the basis of being able to join the EU, although assurances were given that an independent Scotland would be able to join. Project Fear, as I posted earlier in this thread, stated that voting yes would end our EU citizenship. What visionaries they were - I voted yes, and here I am being thrown out of the EU right enough.....

 

[lysan]

Some relevant points:-

1. The people of the UK have voted and made a decision. Those that lost should now get behind that decision and help the country, not bleat about what a bad decision it was like spoiled kids.

2. Nigel Farage will not be running the country. He's not even a member of the majority party. He's had his moment, and will likely now fade into history.

3. Scotland, imho, are welcome to have another referendum on leaving the UK. That is how democracy works. Same goes for Northern Ireland.

4. As first one out, it will be interesting to see how long it takes for others to follow. I think that it will not take long, and that the UK economy will be stronger than it was within a relatively short time without the restrictive practices of the EU.

The Dutch and the Danes could be next in line, The EU is not very popular in those countries either.

 

[jabokai]

Scotland, as was seen again with this vote, is very pro-EU. No case for Scottish independence was made on the basis of being able to join the EU, although assurances were given that an independent Scotland would be able to join. Project Fear, as I posted earlier in this thread, stated that voting yes would end our EU citizenship. What visionaries they were - I voted yes, and here I am being thrown out of the EU right enough.....

As you point out, at the worst there will a second referendum and Scotland will remain in the EU as an independent country. Thing is, the EU is not the glorious bubble it once seemed to be, there are serious issues going on within it and what happens if other bits of it crumble and break away after Scotland pinning it's flag to the EU mast? Once we have the Euro (can't see another option) we will be kinda vulnerable to such things. Personally I see this as a wrong decision by the UK, and there are so many variables at play it's very difficult to see a "safe" course.

 

[ianw]

Scotland, as was seen again with this vote, is very pro-EU. No case for Scottish independence was made on the basis of being able to join the EU, although assurances were given that an independent Scotland would be able to join. Project Fear, as I posted earlier in this thread, stated that voting yes would end our EU citizenship. What visionaries they were - I voted yes, and here I am being thrown out of the EU right enough.....

The Scots have to make their own choices - but as we know whatever they choose some people won't get what they want.

And technically anyone who didn't support Brexit anywhere in the UK is being thrown out of the EU against their will.

And lots of people all over the UK who didn't want to be part of the EU project were forced into the EU project against their will.

 

[Becks]

The Dutch and the Danes could be next in line, The EU is not very popular in those countries either.

While there are already right wingers all over the place spouting that they will be the next to leave, all of these countries are going to wait until the UK and the EU have sorted out their business.

You're basically the guinea pig for their leaving interests. If you do well after an leave and manage to establish a favourable relationship with the EU, they're going to copy it.

If not ...

You need at least 10 or 15 years until that's done. So I guess no other country will follow you in the near future.

And I doubt that any sane government will allow another referendum about this matter after they've seen how the campaigning was done in the UK.

 

[lysan]

While there are already right wingers all over the place spouting that they will be the next to leave, all of these countries are going to wait until the UK and the EU have sorted out their business.

You're basically the guinea pig for their leaving interests. If you do well after an leave and manage to establish a favourable relationship with the EU, they're going to copy it.

If not ...

You need at least 10 or 15 years until that's done. So I guess no other country will follow you in the near future.

And I doubt that any sane government will allow another referendum about this matter after they've seen how the campaigning was done in the UK.

Yes, you're correct, however in the meantime Germany, Denmark and Sweden will see more raise in the so called right wingers, even Finland had a small surge in that direction.
Frau Merkel did a wonderful job she did, she was the one who started all this mess.

 

[Cosmo]

Some relevant points:-

1. The people of the UK have voted and made a decision. Those that lost should now get behind that decision and help the country, not bleat about what a bad decision it was like spoiled kids.

Seconded.

2. Nigel Farage will not be running the country. He's not even a member of the majority party. He's had his moment, and will likely now fade into history.

True.

3. Scotland, imho, are welcome to have another referendum on leaving the UK. That is how democracy works. Same goes for Northern Ireland.

No, Scotland had their referendum. That's done for now.

4. As first one out, it will be interesting to see how long it takes for others to follow. I think that it will not take long, and that the UK economy will be stronger than it was within a relatively short time without the restrictive practices of the EU.

Yes the UK will rebound and be stronger than ever due to new trade deals with non-EU countries, abolishing EU regulations, controlled immigration and saving billions of pounds in EU contributions.

 

[Sentenza]

While there are already right wingers all over the place spouting that they will be the next to leave, all of these countries are going to wait until the UK and the EU have sorted out their business.

You're basically the guinea pig for their leaving interests. If you do well after an leave and manage to establish a favourable relationship with the EU, they're going to copy it.

If not ...

You need at least 10 or 15 years until that's done. So I guess no other country will follow you in the near future.

And I doubt that any sane government will allow another referendum about this matter after they've seen how the campaigning was done in the UK.

Well our major populist party just suddenly did a complete 180° turn and said that no, they never really were supporting exiting from EU, honest. Looks like they are sensing the impending disaster and do not want to be associated with it.

 

[lysan]

http://i.imgur.com/9ZVKpHF.jpg

I think this is a bit over the top, but funny in a tragically way. Time to heal not divide even more, nothing good will come out of it.

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Well our major populist party just suddenly did a complete 180° turn and said that no, they never really were supporting exiting from EU, honest. Looks like they are sensing the impending disaster and do not want to be associated with it.

And they will swing again if in favor of their agenda

 

[Becks]

Yes, you're correct, however in the meantime Germany, Denmark and Sweden will see more raise in the so called right wingers, even Finland had a small surge in that direction.
Frau Merkel did a wonderful job she did, she was the one who started all this mess.

You would have a lot less fun with the alternatives ^^

It wasn't so cozy in europe the last time righwingers ruled Germany And yes, they are rightwingers. Populistic rightwingers with horrendous ideas.

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http://i.imgur.com/9ZVKpHF.jpg

I guess you got that out of the Sun this morning?

 

[Minonian]

Well our major populist party just suddenly did a complete 180° turn and said that no, they never really were supporting exiting from EU, honest. Looks like they are sensing the impending disaster and do not want to be associated with it.

Anyone who parted in the exit side going to lose a lot as the people start seeing the real consequences.

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http://i.imgur.com/9ZVKpHF.jpg

Just got enough of your immature trash.