General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain

    Votes: 155 50.2%

  • Leave

    Votes: 154 49.8%
  • Total voters
    309
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[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
X-Terminator said:
To solve all the Border Control debacle all we need was a new name for my Country: -
Welcome to CHAVLAND - You too can become a CHAV ;) Cross here...
(Council Housed And Violent)
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well if nothing else I have learned something today. I did not actually know where the term Chav came from... now I do!.
 

Frank

Frank
VictoriaG said:
Do Scotland get to remain in the EU if they go it alone?
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One of the sticks that was used to beat us into staying in the UK was that EU membership wasn't guaranteed. I could understand why they would take that stance. The EU has it's own problems in keeping together and it wouldn't be good to condone a break-up.

I do hope they change their tune for the next Scottish Referendum.
 

ianw

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NeilF said:
Yep... Just got to hope we haven't screwed things up too much for ourselves now!


And you watch, off the back of our action, the EU will reform itself into something more appealling now!
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They are making conciliatory noises already because like everyone they don't really have a clue how this will play out.

The hot air threats and nonsense will be replaced by the necessity of practical hard decisions - posturing will have to go out the window for a while.

They've already had talking heads on from other European countries questioning the idea of further "integration" which as we know is the declared aim of the EU project.

The project that may have just been holed below the waterline.

We don't know how that will pan out yet but they certainly can't carry on with the holier than thou we know what's best for everyone as some decisions are far too important for ordinary people to have a say in ​attitude.
 

Lianachan

Lianachan
VictoriaG said:
Do Scotland get to remain in the EU if they go it alone?
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It's possible that Scotland could negotiate to essentially inherit the UK's place, as a successor state. It's more likely we'd have to apply, but having been a member for 40 years it shouldn't be a problem.
 

Minonian

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Minonian
CMDR Ross said:
I have EU migrants in my family, Love em to bits. I still voted leave. We can and will grow, Believe in our country. I do. We managed before we can do it again, I'm a pre "common market" guy I remember. It wasn't that bad ya know. Far better than in 10 years having troops on our streets asking for "papers" The EU was heading that way. Be strong us Brits are great at adapting, that's what makes us. This time we are in it together.
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The but but again...
The part of hangover when you wake up in the street half naked, and robbed blind but you don't want to belíve it.

We gone trough in this kind of hard wake up call at 2006 and the UK will too.
 

Yaffle

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Yaffle
Lianachan said:
It's possible that Scotland could negotiate to essentially inherit the UK's place, as a successor state. It's more likely we'd have to apply, but having been a member for 40 years it shouldn't be a problem.
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The main issue for Scotland will be not so much 'do we want out of this?' to the UK (and a sound 'yes' is the only sensible answer) but one of currency, which would need some serious thought. I'm not convinced the pound is so appealing right now, then again the Euro isn't great either...
 

Jezzah

Jezzah
What's the basis for Scotland getting a second referendum? Whats the actual legal basis I mean? Sure tempers are high at the moment and I see that harriden sturgeon banging the drums for all she's worth right now.
 

Frank

Frank
Yaffle said:
The main issue for Scotland will be not so much 'do we want out of this?' to the UK (and a sound 'yes' is the only sensible answer) but one of currency, which would need some serious thought. I'm not convinced the pound is so appealing right now, then again the Euro isn't great either...
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One of the reasons a lot of Scots decided to stay with the UK was because of the turmoil it would cause. Well, whatever happens now, there's going to be turmoil and tough decisions.

Personally I think we should go for the Euro. It would align us with Ireland.


Ireland.. Gawd! Those Brexiters have no idea what they've started.
 

Lianachan

Lianachan
Jezzah said:
What's the basis for Scotland getting a second referendum? Whats the actual legal basis I mean? Sure tempers are high at the moment and I see that harriden sturgeon banging the drums for all she's worth right now.
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See this, further up the thread. Vote yes and you'll be out of the EU was one of the scare stories that Project Fear used to hoodwink people into voting against independence last time. Turns out voting no was how to find yourself out of the EU. Who'd've thought it? Ah yes, loads of us thought it. Many people who voted no then are clamouring for independence. A guy in my office who was a firm unionist and voted no said this morning that we shouldn't even bother with a referendum, and should just make a UDI.

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NeilF said:
...and most likely we'll have to accept freedom of movement in order to achieve this... So... Doh!
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Freedom of movement is a good thing. I live in the Highlands. It's empty, generations of policy have cleared it out. We need people.

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Frank said:
One of the reasons a lot of Scots decided to stay with the UK was because of the turmoil it would cause. Well, whatever happens now, there's going to be turmoil and tough decisions.

Personally I think we should go for the Euro. It would align us with Ireland.


Ireland.. Gawd! Those Brexiters have no idea what they've started.
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I think we should keep the pound, at least in the short to medium term before implementing our own currency. The pound is having a rough time of it today, but the Bank of England will be keen to keep it bolstered by our exports (including, but not limited to, our vast oil reserves).
 
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NeilF

NeilF
Lianachan said:
Freedom of movement is a good thing. I live in the Highlands. It's empty, generations of policy have cleared it out. We need people.
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Yes, but my point was, a lot of the LEAVE folk wanted to get rid of the 'freedom of movement.' But how ironic will it be that as part of our negotiation to keep trading within the EU, if we need to abide by it!
 

Lianachan

Lianachan
NeilF said:
Yes, but my point was, a lot of the LEAVE folk wanted to get rid of the 'freedom of movement.' But how ironic will it be that as part of our negotiation to keep trading within the EU, if we need to abide by it!
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Ahh, gotcha! Sorry, I didn't pick up on your exact meaning. You're exactly correct, of course.
 

Frank

Frank
On the plus side, the Pound Sterling is now completely worthless. Frontier Developments in Cambridge, England has become a low-paid sweat shop, whipped to work by the iron hand of David Braben. And I can make a comfortable living gold farming for our rich foreign overlords.

Just a few more decades of mining for painite and I might have the American Dollars to buy that CV1 I've pre-ordered.
 
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