General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain

    Votes: 155 50.2%
  • Leave

    Votes: 154 49.8%

  • Total voters
    309
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The trouble is currently un-electable doesn't mean they wont be in the future.

Its is pretty unlikely I agree, but then people were saying not that long ago that Boris could be PM this year, and everyone said that was very unlikely. He is currently 5/2 odds on favourite!

To be fair Boris has been quite high on the list for next PM for quite some time now ..
 
Ireland/NI is complicated. The Unionist population their would find it very difficult to integrate into a united Ireland, many people in the Republic secretly don't want reunification now due to the fact we are still trying to recover from a horrific property crash and the cost of a United Ireland would be enormous. As for Scotland, its hard to say, I still think the Euro is a huge problem if they join, Ireland and Scotland rely heavily on trade with England, in order to be competitive they need to be able to devalue their currencies to make their exports more attractive something which is impossible in the Euro.

A reunification of Ireland is definitely possible. Germany did exact the same thing 26 years ago and that was without EU-support :)

I can't say much about the irish/north irish population though, never been to Ireland. I guess I'll put it on my list. :D
 
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The second Scottish Independence Referendum will be because of the very clear split in the opinions of England and Scotland over Europe. It would only be fair that the question should be about leaving the UK specifically to join the EU. It would be important that everyone's vote on this counts, but there is a chance that you'd find yourself in the minority. I take it that you've seen this map..

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The yellow areas are principally supporters of The Simpsons - whereas the blue are predominantly Smurfs?

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A reunification of Ireland is definitely possible. Germany did exactly the same thing 26 years ago and that was without EU-support :)

Maybe - but I think we all know they couldn't have done it without the personal intervention of The Hoff!
 
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Which is ironic considering people voted to leave because of the unelected Euro lot. So instead of being governed by unelected EU peeps, we will be governed by unelected Tory peeps instead!

Good job leavers .. you just 'd yourselves.

confused i am... how is this change in PM anything to do with the leaver vote... let me explain;

I feel so let down by camarooon, if he was a good PM with all our interest at heart, he should have had a Brexit plan as well, just in case (not an escape plan). my heart sank when i heard he was resigning in 3 months, one of the worst things that can happen right now (and i don't even like the guy)

So, seems he put all his efforts into remain, not action was taken for a back up plan if things turned out like they have. he should have been working on a Brexit plan as well, as the PM, aside from his own personal views on remain.

I understand why he's resigning, and just shows what a little rat he is;

if he stays and the UK end up in the trash, he has to lead it though hard times, with no plan (maybe he forgot to prepear one). Not the way he wants to be remembered

if he stays and the uk does okay, then he looks like a total B.Ser.

imagine if he staid in power, as he should, and got us though this hard time, and pulled off a miracle... he would still lose because he said all badness would come.
 
Take a look at what values carried the day in England and Wales. (For the record Cambridge was overwhelmingly, crushingly for Remain)

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imagine if he staid in power, as he should, and got us though this hard time, and pulled off a miracle... he would still lose because he said all badness would come.

I am not normally an MP appologiser but in this I cant agree.. like the guy or not they way I see it is this.

YES his job is (was) to lead the country through bad times AND through good..... generally.

However if the voters were for vote for something so against what he believes in and that he feels goes against what he stands for then I can see why he may feel he either is unable, or unwilling to push on.

Brexit is not something forced on us due to an act of God or an act of war, for better or for worse it is something we have decided for ourselves, and is something which he was absolutely against. In a way having the person lead the country in a direction which they are personally directly opposed to is not something I would want anyway. Really it needs to be led by someone who was involved in persuading the country to go down this road and let them sink or swim with it.

Sadly this means probably Boris.
 
The second Scottish Independence Referendum will be because of the very clear split in the opinions of England and Scotland over Europe. It would only be fair that the question should be about leaving the UK specifically to join the EU. It would be important that everyone's vote on this counts, but there is a chance that you'd find yourself in the minority. I take it that you've seen this map..

I thought I'd seen it before....

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Yeah Cameron already said that in his leaving speech. Already existing rights are not suddenly rescinded by a departure from the EU.

The EU Berxit campaign though for me seems like playing golf with a blindfold on, and very short clubs that don't reach the ground. it's never happened before and yet you magically know it's going to be fine, they may decide to make an example of us to quell any other thoughts of leaving. Did you think about that? I bloody well would.

I should of edited that for spelling but the mistake seems apt now I think about. :)

Sadly this means probably Boris.

Boris is not that bad a politician as it goes, but would you want the amiable overpriviliged buffoon leading a country? No.
 
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Jings! Help ma'Boab! Look at the Haggises on that Lassie!

The fact that Liverpool was yellow makes me wonder if it was a map of The SUN readership.
Sort of doubt that. the Sun isn't too popular on merseyside.

And we don't get your version of The SUN. We have "your super-sexational Scottish SUN" Maybe our version of the.. erm.. newspaper?.. was missing the fnord to make us vote Brexit
 
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hope Scotland don't leave, just got a union jack (union flag) for my viper Mkiii, and i like the way it looks now :)

what gets me about who gets Aid (i live in cornwall) is that so many people seem distrusting of the UK and think, when the UK picks where money goes, it will stop helping out areas that need it.

But they are happy to trust in the EU to pick where aid must go. People need to believe in them selves a little... as voting power comes back to the uk, i'm sure the 48% that wanted remain will not see aid cut of to current location, and there will be a few in the leave side that wont want to see it cut off (a lot i would guess)
 
Scotland will leave after this, let's aface it if you voted to remain in Europe, and you now can't?

No brainer, NI will follow soon too no doubt.
 

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hope Scotland don't leave, just got a union jack (union flag) for my viper Mkiii, and i like the way it looks now :)

what gets me about who gets Aid (i live in cornwall) is that so many people seem distrusting of the UK and think, when the UK picks where money goes, it will stop helping out areas that need it.

But they are happy to trust in the EU to pick where aid must go. People need to believe in them selves a little... as voting power comes back to the uk, i'm sure the 48% that wanted remain will not see aid cut of to current location, and there will be a few in the leave side that wont want to see it cut off (a lot i would guess)

We should recognize the point that overall across the country, we were (still are at this moment) a net contributor to the EU, so if you leave out all other factors, in theory there would be more money to distribute to those regions.

However, do you trust a conservative government with right wing leaders in the ascendancy to do so? These regions receiving this EU money are mostly not tory seats and not likely to be any time soon. Where do you think they will choose to send the money?

Edit: Just to be clear, this also leaves out all other factors including the impact on the economy of leaving, which is likely to dwarf the net contribution to the EU (whether positive or negative in the long run, but we already know it is negative so far and few economists are predicting it will be positive in the long run), and the one off cost of leaving which is likely to run into billions.
 
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