General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit

[Javert]

Germany does 30% of all its exports to the UK. They would literally shoot themselves in the foot if the EU set up protectionist barriers that prevents trade.

Only if the UK the barriers are so high that the UK stopped buying them. If we just carry on buying them at a higher price, it's not an issue for Germany, just more expensive for us.

 

[Arconedas]

It wasn't a mistake, it was a lie.

Let's remember here that the EU wasn't created primarily to lubricate trade or look after the environment, it was created in order to facilitate peace.

Europe has been a battlefield for centuries, culminating in the 20th century with two appalling world wars, in which millions were killed and millions suffered unimaginable horrors. The EU was founded by France & Germany directly after WWII to put an end to all that. And it seems we've failed.

Britain's exit will - already has - given impetus to other nationalist movements, with the likely prospect of a European fragmentation which will take us directly back to square one and the same endless repetition of futile and horrific wars.

This exit is a disaster for the UK, probably a disaster for Europe, and arguably a disaster for the whole world.

If you believe in prayer start praying.

NATO was and will remain as the cornerstone of peace in Europe and in the world. NATO is the organisation that guarantees the security in Europe (read: keeping Russia in line). EU is mostly a free trade area, not a military organisation.

 

[Philip Coutts]

This is quite a good article on what's actually going to happen next (or as near as anyone can guess!)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ave-the-eu-what-happens-now-that-brexit-is-a/

 

[Patrick_68000]

Germany does 30% of all its exports to the UK. They would shoot themselves in the foot if the EU set up protectionist barriers that prevents trade.

It is not in the interest of the EU to prevent trade

 

[Adept]

Genuinely surprised at the result, but it means the news will actually be worth watching for the next few years. Scotland will doubtless have a second independence referendum (and rightly so) but what will be really interesting there is what they will do for currency. The pound? Really? Use a currency of a country outwith the EU, over which they have zero control? Doesn't seem plausible. So what then, the Euro? I can't see much appetite for that, even though the appetite for EU itself is there.

Euro, Dollar or a new one of their own.

 

[Frank]

You basically just posted a map of which areas voted for what. This was in reply to a post I made which underlined the key facts and situation hidden underneath that map.

Here they are again:

• The SNP lost their majority in the last Scottish parliament elections.
• Party membership polls showed between 33 & 35% of SNP members supporting Brexit, before the vote. Think about that - that's at least 30% of SNP voters who voted for Leave.
• Scotland voted No to the last IndyRef vote.
• Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP would have to answer the following question : "Where's the logic in gaining Independence from the UK, only to hand that over to the EU?" - it defies all logic. The Scottish electorate will see right through that, and would vote No in any IndyRef2, not that that's ever going to happen due to....
• The final nail in the coffin of an IndyRef2 is beautifully summed up in this article here : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...s-second-independence-referendum--that-suits/

The 2 million votes which voted No in the IndyRef 2 years ago, are in no way whatsoever negated by the 1.6 million votes that voted for Remain yesterday.

Regards.

I think you might be underestimating Nicola Sturgeon's willingness for a "square go". Of course it isn't a foregone conclusion, but there's definitely enough of a change in the constitution to merit another ask of the question.

The SNP have always argued for an autonomous Scotland within the EU. That figure of 33 to 35 percent, how many "don't knows" are there in the equation? Because you do realise that percentages add up to one hundred?

 

[Lianachan]

Euro, Dollar or a new one of their own.

They should be made of gold, and called MacNuggets.

 

[Becks]

Fingers crossed! ie: They don't make an example of us... to try and keep the other countries "in line".

Going to be hysterical if we need to adhere to freedom to move though Considering a lot of people were voting LEAVE to get rid of that

It's (like almost everything Cosmo posts here) utter . Markus Kerber is no official of the government, but one of the german industry. He's not even the president of the BDI. He has a voice and can be heard but he has absolutely no influence on the process of decisionmaking, especially not on EU level.

If the Brexit supporters take that as guarantee that the EU will give in, then they're even dumber and manipulable than thought.

You're now a guinea pig for a lot of nations in europe. And therefore the EU will make the leave as hard as they can.

Maybe you'll get a free trade agreement. In ten or fifteen years. And it's not going to be an advantageous for the UK.

Also: http://www.ft.com/fastft/2016/06/24/boris-johnson-no-need-to-trigger-article-50/

Now what? Do you want out or not?

Edit: Also Germany exports 7,4% of its exports to Britain. And not 30%. The US is our biggest tradepartner with 9,6% of the exports. But hey, who cares about facts, right Cosmo? Go back and read your sun

 

[Lianachan]

I think you might be underestimating Nicola Sturgeon's willingness for a "square go". Of course it isn't a foregone conclusion, but there's definitely enough of a change in the constitution to merit another ask of the question.

The SNP have always argued for an autonomous Scotland within the EU. That figure of 33 to 35 percent, how many "don't knows" are there in the equation? Because you do realise that percentages add up to one hundred?

Also disregarding the people who voted no last time, but would vote yes now. My social media is full of those, and my experience at work today is that most no voters around here are of that view. There are a few SNP members in my workplace, of which one voted yes, but also voted leave. Said he'd now vote no if it meant joining the EU. It's anecdotal, but my experience suggests he's in a tiny minority.

 

[Zelos1983]

Dear Britons,

I'm really proud of you. In fact, I'm celebrating with "Tea, Earl Grey, hot".
Yesterday you proved that you have the Cojones to show the EU the red card.

I strongly believe that Europe will profit from that, and that we will continue to work and research together, that will continue to visit each other and share our culture, in friendship - rather than through EU dictate.

Cheers!

 

[Cosmo]

 

[Adept]

4. As first one out, it will be interesting to see how long it takes for others to follow. I think that it will not take long, and that the UK economy will be stronger than it was within a relatively short time without the restrictive practices of the EU.

Those "restrictive practices" are about consumer protection, chemical safety, environmental standards and even worker's rights. If you want to start operating more like China then sure, you may produce things cheaper. You most likely don't get to sell them in the EU either.

 

[Marcus]

Also disregarding the people who voted no last time, but would vote yes now. My social media is full of those, and my experience at work today is that most no voters around here are of that view. There are a few SNP members in my workplace, of which one voted yes, but also voted leave. Said he'd now vote no if it meant joining the EU. It's anecdotal, but my experience suggests he's in a tiny minority.

As a fellow Scot I have to agree with your assessment, I am seeing pretty much the same thing, even from people who are not big on the SNP, mainly because most people here see leaving th EU as such a bad thing.

Although, as we are both basing this on people we know's reaction, there is an element of self selection going on.

 

[Patrick_68000]

The London Stock Exchange ends the session on a reduction in 2,76 %, Paris - 8,04 %

 

[Lianachan]

As a fellow Scot I have to agree with your assessment, I am seeing pretty much the same thing, even from people who are not big on the SNP, mainly because most people here see leaving th EU as such a bad thing.

Although, as we are both basing this on people we know's reaction, there is an element of self selection going on.

True, but it does genuinely appear to be a thing.

 

[Monk]

Might be time for me to visit the UK again.

I was last there when it was >1.5 USD to 1 GBP

Now we are looking at 1.3 USD to 1 GBP

That is nice for tourists...plus, maybe the Euro will drop below 1:1

My oh my, it is like the 90s are making a comeback.

 

[Adept]

Yes, you're correct, however in the meantime Germany, Denmark and Sweden will see more raise in the so called right wingers, even Finland had a small surge in that direction.
Frau Merkel did a wonderful job she did, she was the one who started all this mess.

We had a huge surge in populist idiots. They were the second biggest party in the elections a year ago with over 19% of the vote. After they've been in the governing coalition for a year and people have seen what it means in practice their support is now 9%.

 

[ianw]

You're now a guinea pig for a lot of nations in europe. And therefore the EU will make the leave as hard as they can.

Sounds like a great way to run your euro club - try and scare the crap out of your remaining members to stop them dissenting.

How do you think that will go down for the ultimate EU super state aims?

 

[Sooden]

i guess if we get shot in the foot by Eu trade , well we can trade happy with Russia, not bound by EU sanctions no wonder people say Putin is happy.

The Eu had us heavily invested in High tech n' science, but we cant really sell it. This door opens when we leave

'restrictions on exports of high tech goods and services in the energy sector'

 

[nathdixon92]

Question is, can Scotland still remain part of the EU even if it sought independence. It isn't a sovereign state and the Maastricht Treaty is the in the name of the United Kingdom not Scotland.