General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain

    Votes: 155 50.2%

  • Leave

    Votes: 154 49.8%
  • Total voters
    309
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Becks

Becks
ianw said:
Sounds like a great way to run your euro club - try and scare the crap out of your remaining members to stop them dissenting.

How do you think that will go down for the ultimate EU super state aims?
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That's not really how it is. What's the point in an EU membership if you can just leave and get a better deal afterwards?

It's about leaving not a single doubt what leaving the EU will do to the economy of an country.

Also, if the Leave side is so optimistic that they'll get a better deal, why is Boris Johnson suddenly representing the opinion that the UK should make 'no haste' with leaving?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...johnson-michael-gove-vote-leave-a7100431.html
 

Arconedas

Arconedas
Sooden said:
i guess if we get shot in the foot by Eu trade , well we can trade happy with Russia, not bound by EU sanctions :) no wonder people say Putin is happy.

The Eu had us heavily invested in High tech n' science, but we cant really sell it. This door opens when we leave :)

'restrictions on exports of high tech goods and services in the energy sector'
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Ignoring any trade sanctions with Russia will anger USA. I dont think you want to do that...
 

Becks

Becks
nathdixon92 said:
Question is, can Scotland still remain part of the EU even if it sought independence. It isn't a sovereign state and the Maastricht Treaty is the in the name of the United Kingdom not Scotland.
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It would need to gain its independence and to appy for membership.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
nathdixon92 said:
Question is, can Scotland still remain part of the EU even if it sought independence. It isn't a sovereign state and the Maastricht Treaty is the in the name of the United Kingdom not Scotland.
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I believe that Europe was not motivated to welcome an independent Scotland during the referendum on independence
 
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Adept

Adept
CMDR Ross said:
I have EU migrants in my family, Love em to bits. I still voted leave. We can and will grow, Believe in our country. I do. We managed before we can do it again, I'm a pre "common market" guy I remember. It wasn't that bad ya know. Far better than in 10 years having troops on our streets asking for "papers" The EU was heading that way. Be strong us Brits are great at adapting, that's what makes us. This time we are in it together.
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The older generation stealing the dreams of the younger generation out of misplaced fear :(
 

Cydramech

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I hate involving myself in the affairs of other countries or even talking about them, especially Europe. But I must admit I am pleasantly surprised, so long as this isn't the end-all. If the dominoes keep falling and more countries leave, then I can start to hope for secession in America as it becomes a norm. Seeing chains displaced instead of binding others, regardless of how it happens, is a beautiful thing in the world.
 
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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Sarkozy asks for a "new treaty" European. With a referendum ? The French have not forgotten 2005

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Surfinjo said:
That was a crock frankly.

The EU seeks expansion and rejecting such a significant state would be preposterous.
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I repeat only what I read during the referendum on Scottish independence

:)
 

Rob At Work

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My Thoughts at the end of this momentous day -

"So Mr Junker and your un-elected EU friends and Mr Cameron and all your buddies in Westmister, Who's really in charge then? Well now you know. Let that be a lesson to you and anyone else who wants to take any notice, YOU REPRESENT US,THE PEOPLE. Now get on with the job of representing us and working to deliver what we want (not what you want) or you will be ascimilated!"
 

Ironwolf

Ironwolf
The UK is the second largest economy in the EU, and the largest military power within the EU.
We have intricate trade ties between Europe, so it is in everyone's interest to maintain good relations.
If the EU wants to play hard ball to make an example it will probably be through EU tariffs.

Scotland can have it's own independence, if it chooses. Why not even unite Ireland.
Will Wales become independent, that would be odd.
England can stand alone.

For reference, Britain was the strongest voice for sanctions against Russia.
Britain, or England, will need to continue to prop up Europe economically and militarily.

It will be interesting how Turkey uses this to its advantage.
 

ianw

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Becks said:
That's not really how it is. What's the point in an EU membership if you can just leave and get a better deal afterwards?

It's about leaving not a single doubt what leaving the EU will do to the economy of an country.
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Absolutely none - I can't fault them for saying that pre UK decision to leave - that's the time when you get all your threats and bluffs on the table. Assuming of course you think that threatening someone in that situation is both effective and a good example to onlookers. If you leave us we'll crush you! The EU preaching fairness to all!

Once the decision is taken however there is a brand new reality - and one in which the whole EU concept of ever tighter integration gets questioned in all the other countries where there are significant numbers of people that don't want further integration and in some cases seriously regret being in the single currency. They can try and be as punitive as some of them would clearly love to be but the reality is they don't really have a free hand - or they do but they could just as easily damage themselves in the process.

Becks said:
Also, if the Leave side is so optimistic that they'll get a better deal, why is Boris Johnson suddenly representing the opinion that the UK should make 'no haste' with leaving?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...johnson-michael-gove-vote-leave-a7100431.html
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Probably a reaction to the once you're out you're out - talk to us now!

Umm, actually we'll talk to you when we're ready - you've already made it clear you're going to give us the shaft so what do we have to lose?
 
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Sooden

Sooden
Becks said:
You'd still risk to the NATO off ^^

Remember: Scotland has oil ;)
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Nato , yeah, i agree... the one that wanted Ukraine to join them and sparked fears in Russia (remember Ukraine is Russia access to the black sea (trade routed), no wonder they panicked, but that is a very complicated subject).

Hate to see what they do to the UK if we don't keep them happy. so, good point i guess.

Scotland oil.. hmm. kinda why they here so happy to go independent. Then fracking started, then oil prices dropped... and now it not worth so much. Venezuela has a lot of oil :)
 

Arconedas

Arconedas
Sooden said:
Depends on where the better deals are.. obama said we would go to the 'back of the cue'

No point in keeping friends for a free pat on the head.
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Obviously UK is free to do whatever it wants :). Just saying, that its not wise to mess with the 'powerplay' combat between Russia and USA ;)
 

Im_Lost

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Scotland wants to leave and rely on oil, but the prices have slumped massively in the last couple of years. If they had left in 2014 they would probably be going bankrupt now.

Plus they would be competing with other oil rich nations, who have a LOT more of it.
 

Monk

Monk
Nasher said:
Scotland wants to leave and rely on oil, but the prices have slumped massively in the last couple of years. If they had left in 2014 they would probably be going bankrupt now.

Plus they would be competing with other oil rich nations, who have a LOT more of it.
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Does Scotland have refineries or can they only export crude?
 

Miklos Atreides

Miklos Atreides
Ironwolf said:
The UK is the second largest economy in the EU, and the largest military power within the EU.
We have intricate trade ties between Europe, so it is in everyone's interest to maintain good relations.
If the EU wants to play hard ball to make an example it will probably be through EU tariffs.

Scotland can have it's own independence, if it chooses. Why not even unite Ireland.
Will Wales become independent, that would be odd.
England can stand alone.

For reference, Britain was the strongest voice for sanctions against Russia.
Britain, or England, will need to continue to prop up Europe economically and militarily.

It will be interesting how Turkey uses this to its advantage.
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Turkish Top Leadership is currently busy with self posing for various mostly internal reasons.
I doubt they can take advantage. As long as Turkish governments deals with lawfull sate and
freedom the way they do today there is no chance becoming member in EU with or without Britain.

Miklos
 

Im_Lost

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Monk said:
Does Scotland have refineries or can they only export crude?
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I think there's a few. But no where near enough to run the country on.

Other than oil they don't really have anything. Almost all the industry is in England.
 
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