General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain

    Votes: 155 50.2%
  • Leave

    Votes: 154 49.8%

  • Total voters
    309
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spoon fed with left wing propaganda all the time makes you not think clear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na_wxwhgDMA <--- so true in lots of parts in my country too , be careful , it makes your cry.

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because? ppl stop playing english games suddenly? is steam now offline in the uk?

Do the credits to video game development (part of why Star Citizen has such a large office in the UK) come from the EU or from the UK government?
 
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I am afraid that soon you will only see the white/red flag at least when Scotland and NI will leave GB for Europe which will clearly happen.

there is nothing bad about that. Seen the euro 2016? its not great brittain that plays , but north ireland , wales , and england
 
I'm sure some people voted for Brexit because they hate foreigners but it's entirely possible to not support the idea of a federal EU super state without being xenophobic or anti globalisation.

I'm not even particularly nationalistic and I'm certainly not xenophobic - I married an EU immigrant - most of my extended family live in the EU and most of the people we socialise with daily/weekly are not English.

I don't have problem with legal immigration.

I do have a problem when people tell me how I should think/behave and/or insinuate that I'm racist or xenophobic or some kind of immoral sub-human because I think forcing people into federal EU is only ever going to cause problems.

The idea that you can't trade with, mix with, get on with other countries as an independent country is entirely false and illogical.

Of course I don't want to say that 52% of the people who vent to vote are xenophobic racists. If you voted leave you had your reasons for it, even if I shouldn't understand them.

But the EU never had the goal of being a federal super state ... There may be a few hard liners in the parliament but they'd never get enough votes to bring something like that through. Especially not when the governments of all those countries need to agree. I honestly don't know where that claim came from. I doubt that it's possible to form an european superstate or that the EU would ever propose something like this.

But the party behind the Brexit, UKIP, is clearly xenophobic and in parts racist. That has been proven countless times. I've even seen people in this thread with have been more or less open racist against immigrants and/or muslims and I honestly don't know why those people are still here. But that's another topic since it's a decision of the mods and not mine.

The next point is: The Brexit won. Britain is going out, Cameron said that the referendum will decide that. And now Farage and Johnson show up, say the claims about the 350 million pounds per week were a lie and that the UK 'should not haste with submitting article 50'. It seems like they're a bit unprepared for the leaving negotiations even if it's too early to determine that. So the EU says: "Okay the british people have decided it, if the government will not submit article 50 we'll do it for them." (at least they're checking if that's possible at the moment) and now the EU gets the      again of being undemocratic and overruling the member states? :D
 
Wow, the level of stupidity and ignorance in the post is beyond belief. On the bright side this tiny poll very nearly (and more accurately than most) predicted the outcome exactly.

Perhaps the world will end as a result of "brexit" (another example of the media dumbing everything down for the cattle) or maybe nothing will happen apart from all the dead soldiers from WWI and WWII will stop spinning in their graves as we are no longer dictated to by a bunch of unelected officials trying to appease everyone, who knows?
 
Of course I don't want to say that 52% of the people who vent to vote are xenophobic racists. If you voted leave you had your reasons for it, even if I shouldn't understand them.

But the EU never had the goal of being a federal super state ... There may be a few hard liners in the parliament but they'd never get enough votes to bring something like that through. Especially not when the governments of all those countries need to agree. I honestly don't know where that claim came from. I doubt that it's possible to form an european superstate or that the EU would ever propose something like this.

But the party behind the Brexit, UKIP, is clearly xenophobic and in parts racist. That has been proven countless times. I've even seen people in this thread with have been more or less open racist against immigrants and/or muslims and I honestly don't know why those people are still here. But that's another topic since it's a decision of the mods and not mine.

The next point is: The Brexit won. Britain is going out, Cameron said that the referendum will decide that. And now Farage and Johnson show up, say the claims about the 350 million pounds per week were a lie and that the UK 'should not haste with submitting article 50'. It seems like they're a bit unprepared for the leaving negotiations even if it's too early to determine that. So the EU says: "Okay the british people have decided it, if the government will not submit article 50 we'll do it for them." (at least they're checking if that's possible at the moment) and now the EU gets the again of being undemocratic and overruling the member states? :D

since when is immigrating ppl and believers of a idologie who comes with to say atleast some anti democratie/ western values statements a race?
 
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Don't leave us Scots :D I didn't want you to go last time and I don't want you to go now. (obviously I don't want NI to leave either... Cornwall... meh :p)

The most important thing that can and must come out of this situation is that we now get the same level of turnout in the General Elections! There's no more sitting back and letting others decide. We must make the main parties (or whatever the hell is left of them after this) become more accountable on green issues and worker's rights, with the protection laws put in place by the EU now up for change we must make sure they only change for the better.


*edit* please stop feeding the trolls and bickering with each other.
 
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there is nothing bad about that. Seen the euro 2016? its not great brittain that plays , but north ireland , wales , and england

Yes, Scotland will advance its service industry on the big EU market as well as IR.
England (Londoin) will loose its role as the big player of the financial industry to Germany (Frankfurt).
England will fall into recession pretty fast I am afraid together with all the negative side effects (poverty climbing).
The pound is already falling and it won't stop for months and years I am afraid.

EU will get its free trade agreement with the US.... which England won't be part of.

Now I do not see any real advantages for England. It will loose in any direction!
 
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Yeah. I may be a bit salty over all this. My dad is a manager in a relatively high position and incredible worried about the Brexit.

Another point is that nationalistic or xenophobic mindsets don't fit into an age of globalization. And a good part of the Brexit was driven by xenophobia.

Can you show me your source for this claim, please? Or are you just voicing an opinion as fact? Why are you using your dad as a benchmark (I know we glean a great deal of our opinions from our folks, not the point I am making.) when you do not even mention which industry his company is in and which aspect he is worried about?

<sarcasm>Oh and a good part of Britain's exit from Europe was driven by the ingrained hatred of politicians and the rhetoric they spout and of course their hatred of brussel sprouts<\sarcasm>
 
Yes, Scotland will advance its service industry on the big EU market as well as IR.
England (Londoin) will loose his role as financial industry to Germany (Frankfurt).
England will fall into recession pretty fast I am afraid together with all the negative side effects (poverty climbing)

EU will get its free trade agreement with the US.... which England won't be part of.

Now I do not see any real advantages for England. It will loose in any direction!

Eu policy was the start of the recession... trade cont as normal. its about making your own decisions and laws and listen to the ppl. Hats of for Camaron tho, our prime minister told us to no matter what the referendum outcome was we deal the Eu way. (ukraine referendum of 6 april)
 
And I cannot believe I have been dragged into this troll fest, I really hate myself at times. Must.... step...... away..... from..... keyboard.....
 
Do you folks mind keeping Trump there in Scotland?

I know he has already said some dumb stuff, regarding the vote, but he is house broken and up to date on all his shots.

His party is going to try to reject him and I just want to make sure he finds a warm and safe home to live out his last days.
 
Yep. I'm out.

Try to have a decent conversation in here. Get met with misinformation, uninformed opinion, and from one person I shall not name, ageism and hypocrisy.

Unsubscribed.
 
since when is immigrating ppl en believers of a idologie who comes with to say atleast some anti democratie/ western values statements a race?

I'm talking about actual racism. Like refering to chinese people as 'chinky', telling someone he's not 'british' enough for the parliament because he has ancestors from Sri Lanka or stating on TV that you have problems with 'negroes'.

I don't mind if you criticize muslims as long as you do it civilized.
 
Do you folks mind keeping Trump there in Scotland?

I know he has already said some dumb stuff, regarding the vote, but he is house broken and up to date on all his shots.

His party is going to try to reject him and I just want to make sure he finds a warm and safe home to live out his last days.

im jelous on your democratic political system tho.

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I'm talking about actual racism. Like refering to chinese people as 'chinky', telling someone he's not 'british' enough for the parliament because he has ancestors from Sri Lanka or stating on TV that you have problems with 'negroes'.

I don't mind if you criticize muslims as long as you do it civilized.

tnx for the clarification , cause the racism card is drawn very easy nowdays if you have the wrong "color" (wich i dont see btw)+1
 
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spoon fed with left wing propaganda all the time makes you not think clear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na_wxwhgDMA <--- so true in lots of parts in my country too , be careful , it makes your cry.

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because? ppl stop playing english games suddenly? is steam now offline in the uk?

Because our economy is about to undergo the biggest upheaval since the 70s undoing 40 years of economic integration and there will be casualties, especially among those floated on stock markets.
 
Yes, Scotland will advance its service industry on the big EU market as well as IR.
England (Londoin) will loose its role as the big player of the financial industry to Germany (Frankfurt).
England will fall into recession pretty fast I am afraid together with all the negative side effects (poverty climbing).
The pound is already falling and it won't stop for months and years I am afraid.

EU will get its free trade agreement with the US.... which England won't be part of.

Now I do not see any real advantages for England. It will loose in any direction!

crystal ball?

what if another country leaves the EU and then another, all these lone countries? well new trade and EU collapse, just as possible.

I'm sure you will say, 'nah its not', but that would be based on even more guesses.'

if the UK shows stability in a reasonable time frame, probably will give the green light for others to leave the EU, as now they have the UK on the outside, waiting for them :)

last thing the EU wants at the moment is any sort of good outcome for the UK, they wanna kick us down while we recovering, to protect the EU... thats politics :(


No one here know, including me.
 
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Eu policy was the start of the recession... trade cont as normal. its about making your own decisions and laws and listen to the ppl. Hats of for Camaron tho, our prime minister told us to no matter what the referendum outcome was we deal the Eu way. (ukraine referendum of 6 april)

Ok it's easy to point to others by blinding out his own failures. Except for the financial industry but with what other industry can England compete on the global market?
Do you really think that it will get now easier for English companies to compete on any market alone without the EU market?!? Of course not!
This situation will lead pretty fast I am afraid into a recession.

And next..How silly can these brexit-politicain be to start this experiment without a single plan in mind but with lies (more money for the insurance)?!?
 
Can you show me your source for this claim, please? Or are you just voicing an opinion as fact? Why are you using your dad as a benchmark (I know we glean a great deal of our opinions from our folks, not the point I am making.) when you do not even mention which industry his company is in and which aspect he is worried about?

<sarcasm>Oh and a good part of Britain's exit from Europe was driven by the ingrained hatred of politicians and the rhetoric they spout and of course their hatred of brussel sprouts<\sarcasm>


[video=youtube;iAgKHSNqxa8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8[/video]
7:35 to 8:40

My dads a part of the reason why I'm so against the Brexit. Which industry he is in and which aspect he's worried about doesn't matter.

Read this post of mine for your unnecessary 'sarcasm'.
 
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