General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit

[Arconedas]

To cut the whole story short, nobody can come out of this in good shape.

That thing is certain. And every day that Britain delays their resignation, the markets will remain in turmoil. Central banks need to intervene constantly with billions and billions that in the end come from the average tax payers pockets.

 

[Trinity Star]

That is an act of a Bully.

Kind of confirms what many leave voters believe.

 

[Becks]

I agree and this is why both sides should not start a trade war and sort it out with agreement.

Brussels so far are acting poorly, with the wrong attitude. They are upset i understand, but that does not mean because you are i will punish you, That is an act of a Bully.

That thing is certain. And every day that Britain delays their resignation, the markets will remain in turmoil. Central banks need to intervene constantly with billions and billions that in the end come from the average tax payers pockets.

That's why it's only a matter of time until the EU will force the UK out.

 

[Fyrd Judge]

Kind of confirms what many leave voters believe.

Well, you only have to look at Greece to confirm it.

 

[Yaffle]

Well, you only have to look at Greece to confirm it.

Glad you mentioned that -the ringfence for bailing out Greece the UK was granted has just been voided by the vote. So if it collapses again, we could well be on the hook with the rest of Europe.

Anyhow - what's the way forward? How do we implement the Golden Age of Boris I

 

[Luniticisi]

The big problem I see is that far too many voters on both sides, got their facts from newspapers and the rest of the media .. The majority of people these days carry all the actual facts in their pockets but prefer to be told what to think ..

 

[Fyrd Judge]

That's why it's only a matter of time until the EU will force the UK out.

We are out !!!

They can not do a thing due to the Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty

Article 50 says: “Any member state may decide to withdraw from the union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.”

It specifies that a leaver should notify the European council of its intention, negotiate a deal on its withdrawal and establish legal grounds for a future relationship with the EU. On the European side, the agreement needs a qualified majority of member states and consent of the European parliament.
The only real quantifiable detail in the article is a provision that gives negotiators two years from the date of article 50 notification to conclude new arrangements. Failure to do so results in the exiting state falling out of the EU with no new provisions in place, unless every one of the remaining EU states agrees to extend the negotiations.
No country has ever invoked article 50 – yet.

UK will watch closely on Brussels playing out the bad loser as they are, and will drag this out for months (or years) if they do not change their bully boy attitude.

 

[Becks]

We are out !!!

They can not do a thing due to the Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty

Article 50 says: “Any member state may decide to withdraw from the union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.”

It specifies that a leaver should notify the European council of its intention, negotiate a deal on its withdrawal and establish legal grounds for a future relationship with the EU. On the European side, the agreement needs a qualified majority of member states and consent of the European parliament.
The only real quantifiable detail in the article is a provision that gives negotiators two years from the date of article 50 notification to conclude new arrangements. Failure to do so results in the exiting state falling out of the EU with no new provisions in place, unless every one of the remaining EU states agrees to extend the negotiations.
No country has ever invoked article 50 – yet.

UK now will watch closely on Brussels playing the bad loser, and will drag this out for months if they do not chcnge their bully boy attitude.

You're still a member state of the EU and article 50 hasn't been submitted yet. So no, you're not yet out

But if you won't submit that article soon, the EU will find a way to force you out.

 

[Minonian]

I agree and this is why both sides should not start a trade war and sort it out with agreement.

Brussels so far are acting poorly, with the wrong attitude. They are upset i understand, but that does not mean because you are i will punish you, That is an act of a Bully.

Juncker, or as someone said very truly Junker is a moron, so as the rest of the EU comission and leaders. Our prime minister not said for nothing he can't be the next leader of the EU. what we got, what is the biggest problem with the Eu the leadership is a bunch of incompetent idiots, unable to find their own butt to wipe clean. The other? All the losers in the EU Use Brussel, and the other EU organizations as a Complaints office. This is why Brussel talks in too much into our business. No body likes it.

Well... For england place, i think twice to exit. The cost is too high, and the end results can't be good to everyone.

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We are out !!!

They can not do a thing due to the Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty

This is not offical yet.

 

[Arconedas]

We are out !!!

They can not do a thing due to the Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty

Article 50 says: “Any member state may decide to withdraw from the union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.”



It specifies that a leaver should notify the European council of its intention, negotiate a deal on its withdrawal and establish legal grounds for a future relationship with the EU. On the European side, the agreement needs a qualified majority of member states and consent of the European parliament.
The only real quantifiable detail in the article is a provision that gives negotiators two years from the date of article 50 notification to conclude new arrangements. Failure to do so results in the exiting state falling out of the EU with no new provisions in place, unless every one of the remaining EU states agrees to extend the negotiations.
No country has ever invoked article 50 – yet.

UK now will watch closely on Brussels playing the bad loser, and will drag this out for months if they do not chcnge their bully boy attitude.

And meanwhile every pound that UK central bank, and every euro that the EU central bank spends to calm the markets will in the end, come out of your pockets. If this didnt hit home yet, yes you are paying for it. Ofcourse if you dont care about it, then its entirely a different matter

 

[Yaffle]

Well... For england place, i think twice to exit. The cost is too high, and the end results can't be good to everyone.

This is so true. It's not a zero-net-sum thing. We all have lost. Almost every person on the planet, but Europe (UK included) the most.

What's the way forward now? What to do?

 

[Becks]

And meanwhile every pound that UK central bank, and every euro from the EU central bank spends to calm the markets will in the end, come out of your pockets. If this didnt hit home yet, yes you are paying for it. Ofcourse if you dont care about it, then its entirely a different matter

You're paying it, too, since you're still in the EU ....

 

[Fyrd Judge]

Glad you mentioned that -the ringfence for bailing out Greece the UK was granted has just been voided by the vote. So if it collapses again, we could well be on the hook with the rest of Europe.

Anyhow - what's the way forward? How do we implement the Golden Age of Boris I

Boris would be the wrong person. Doubt he will get the job, but , the way things are going in the world right now, would not place bets on him in or out.

 

[Becks]

This is so true. It's not a zero-net-sum thing. We all have lost. Almost every person on the planet, but Europe (UK included) the most.

What's the way forward now? What to do?

Idk, but Boris doesn't seem to hasty with leaving

 

[Luniticisi]

You're still a member state of the EU and article 50 hasn't been submitted yet. So no, you're not yet out

But if you won't submit that article soon, the EU will find a way to force you out.

The main issue that the EU will face in trying to force us out is that there is no stipulation regarding article 50 that gives a time limit from referendum to submitting article 50 -- they may try, but they'd have to change EU law to do so.

 

[Minonian]

But if you won't submit that article soon, the EU will find a way to force you out.

I'm not sure he can?

 

[Arconedas]

You're paying it, too, since you're still in the EU ....

Yes ofcourse, everybody in the EU and UK are paying for it, i guess what i said was a bit badly worded, sorry about that. Thats why i also want the Britain to leave their resignation as soon as possible. Or they are welcome to stay too, if they change their minds, either way is fine for me. I just want it to happen as soon as possible...

 

[Sooden]

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Also for that line: "(i'm so racist, for voting leave /\ )": I never said that and I never thought that. What I said was that parts of the campaign were driven by xenophobia, which is undoubtely true.

that wasn't directed at you, sorry

He said that he's biased, but he also said that everything he's going to say is based on hard evidence. ....

i didn't hear that ('He said that he's biased') maybe i missed it, i know he said he was voting remain, but not that hes bias. you can be on one side based on fact,and not be bias, but i have a feeling he looking at the facts that best suit him

to many cases where 'facts' are left out of teaching. you can ignore that statement if you wish because i not going to explain and defend it

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Sorry for your little business if the EU makes life hard for you.

But we're talking about economy on a national scale here. You should really watch the last 15 minutes of the video. He explains very good how the procedure for leaving the EU will go down.
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and this is one of the problems, not the only one (and i did watch it all). Passing over the smaller businesses, the people making there own jobs to support their own family.

as a kid, i had a job peeling shrimps, it gave the family coffers a little more cash. you could just set up such a small job on the spot, and then the shrimps would be sold locally, no issues. This would not be allowed anymore (just an example)

not everyone in the UK is interested in working on offices, or for 'the boss' and they got stud on because they are the minority.

as more minorites got stud on my the EU, anger grew (Fishing) , silly taxes.

are you saying the smaller businesses should deal with it, and just get one with it? you know, how i said the EU should now 'Suck it up'. if so, well that means the EU (and big bussines UK) is getting a feel for what small bussinesses felt

 

[Minonian]

The main issue that the EU will face in trying to force us out is that there is no stipulation regarding article 50 that gives a time limit from referendum to submitting article 50 -- they may try, but they'd have to change EU law to do so.

Yup. That's the issue. However? They can still make UK want to leave as fast he can, just by beign an ass. So no, Whenever they decide to leave or stay, i strongly suggest to make it offical as soon they can.

 

[Fyrd Judge]

And meanwhile every pound that UK central bank, and every euro from the EU central bank spends to calm the markets will in the end, come out of your pockets. If this didnt hit home yet, yes you are paying for it. Ofcourse if you dont care about it, then its entirely a different matter

This is why Brussels should stop acting like a child throwing a tantrum in a pram. If they think they can bully UK, UK will shock them again by standing their ground, as our history shows we never bow to bullies and so drag this out to the letter of the law of 2 years.