General / Off-Topic The future of Politics here in the UK

Surfinjo

Surfinjo
A separate issue. Probably not as exciting as the Brexit threads, but possibly a nice change to discuss something else.

The two main Westminster parties are in meltdown.

Cameron has resigned. Johnson, backed by Farrage, thinks he is a shoe-in while May seems think she can do better.

Meanwhile Corbyn continues try to appoint replacements to his cabinet, faster than they are resigning.

The Liberals seem to be on their phones and too busy to do anything.

UKIP never thought it could win and can't quite figure out what to do now.

Meanwhile the Scottish government has a plan.

Have I missed anything?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36632956

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037
 

Surfinjo

Surfinjo
Clarkson has offerd his wisdom on Labour's problems with a tweet:

Everyone called Jeremy gets sacked eventually.

https://twitter.com/JeremyClarkson?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

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lysan

lysan
Surfinjo said:
A separate issue. Probably not as exciting as the Brexit threads, but possibly a nice change to discuss something else.

The two main Westminster parties are in meltdown.

Cameron has resigned. Johnson, backed by Farrage, thinks he is a shoe-in while May seems think she can do better.

Meanwhile Corbyn continues try to appoint replacements to his cabinet, faster than they are resigning.

The Liberals seem to be on their phones and too busy to do anything.

UKIP never thought it could win and can't quite figure out what to do now.

Meanwhile the Scottish government has a plan.

Have I missed anything?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36632956

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037
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Well, since the 1290's, and Edward I of England conquered Scotland. There has been a ...hmm lets be honest a struggle regarding the "Picts". Unless someone finds a way to
get out of that mess in a peaceful way its going to continue for eons.
 

StiTch

StiTch
In so few words, excellent summary of the UK political scene atm ;)

Before the referendum the various parties and figureheads were enacting what could only be described as a bad (though not unfunny) reality TV-based comedy.

It's still pretty much the same case after. I suppose it's nice for our politicians to be consistent in SOME manner.
 
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Andy Kappa

Andy Kappa
Looks like a pretty good summary to me. :)

If it means anything to anybody we're seriously considering decamping to the land of tourists in kilts. Mrs. Kappa hails from a pleasant little dormitory town just outside Edinburgh and my ancestors are a bunch of lefthanded ne'er-do-wells from the Lothian region, but our current plans (such as we have them) are focused around Stirling. I'd love to see Sturgeon put a humungous spanner in de Pfeff's works, but in my more rational moments I can't actually see it happening.

To address the OP directly (and in the process reiterate something I've said elsewhere already), at this point I don't really care who takes charge as long as someone does. The news up & down the country right now does not make edifying reading. Unless somebody stands up and shows a bit of proper authority, sooner or later somebody else is going to be killed. If anybody doubts any of this then they need to get their head out of their      and take a good look around.
 
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Nerwan

Nerwan
What happens next depends on the economy... If it tanks as badly as it looks like it might, support for Boris might completely evaporate.. The economy has a way of changing public opinion so it'll be interesting to see what happens. Personally I predict a massive switch to pro EU sentiment as all those voters who didn't care that much but voted leave as a protest start to really regret their decision. There might ultimately be another referendum simply by sheer weight of popular support.
 

Surfinjo

Surfinjo
Nerwan said:
What happens next depends on the economy... If it tanks as badly as it looks like it might, support for Boris might completely evaporate.. The economy has a way of changing public opinion so it'll be interesting to see what happens. Personally I predict a massive switch to pro EU sentiment as all those voters who didn't care that much but voted leave as a protest start to really regret their decision. There might ultimately be another referendum simply by sheer weight of popular support.
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As far as I can see, the only way Boris or anyone else can bring about a rapid recovery is with tax cuts, which will mean significant and large cuts in public services.

It's difficult to see how much further public services can be cut before they collapse altogether. Not just health, policing, education.

When that happens, many will turn on fellow users. Non-white people, the elderly,
 

StiTch

StiTch
Nerwan said:
What happens next depends on the economy... If it tanks as badly as it looks like it might, support for Boris might completely evaporate.. The economy has a way of changing public opinion so it'll be interesting to see what happens. Personally I predict a massive switch to pro EU sentiment as all those voters who didn't care that much but voted leave as a protest start to really regret their decision. There might ultimately be another referendum simply by sheer weight of popular support.
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The problem we have is that all this would be based yet again not on political or economical reasoning, but basically PR. What is basically a disgusting level of slander and fearmongering has been displayed on both sides, still continues to happen, and is still shaping the current debate terrain.

For this reason I'm just going to watch what happens next. No petitioning, no serious debates. If anyone on either side thought a leave vote would be quick and painless they're plain bonkers, though not saying that a leave vote was the wrong choice. We started stabilising in terms of economy, but if anything the political minefield is more vicious and personal than it was before the referendum. There's effectively a complete lack of any reasoning anywhere.
 

Nerwan

Nerwan
StiTch said:
The problem we have is that all this would be based yet again not on political or economical reasoning, but basically PR. What is basically a disgusting level of slander and fearmongering has been displayed on both sides, still continues to happen, and is still shaping the current debate terrain.
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I don't believe this is the case at all actually... The UK tabloids have been full of such stuff but I've been following the US financial news journals, the economist, the FT, even the likes of the Times of India etc.. There has been a great deal of in depth analysis of what this would mean for the UK and much of it is's being born out by what's now happening. I think that broadly speaking the academic wold have had a good grasp on this for some time now. It's just unfortunate that the remain campaign mixed up this detailed analysis with additional claims and the leave campaign smeared all expertise...

This is a fairly good analysis of what's happening at the mo I'd say, at least in terms of recession probability and GPB etc: https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/usd/5095-pound-to-dollar-exchange-rate-222311
 
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StiTch

StiTch
Nerwan said:
I don't believe this is the case at all actually... The UK tabloids have been full of such stuff but I've been following the US financial news journals, the economist, the FT, even the likes of the Times of India etc.. There has been a great deal of in depth analysis of what this would mean for the UK and much of it is's being born out by what's now happening. I think that broadly speaking the academic wold have had a good grasp on this for some time now. It's just unfortunate that the remain campaign mixed up this detailed analysis with additional claims and the leave campaign smeared all expertise...

This is a fairly good analysis of what's happening at the mo I'd say, at least in terms of recession probability and GPB etc: https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/usd/5095-pound-to-dollar-exchange-rate-222311
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Excellent reason for editing :3

Scary when other countries are reporting our politics better than we are, eh?

For the record, I am on neither side of the fence. And it's pretty safe to say that from over here in the UK, what we had put in our faces was clear and complete fearmongering, dishonesty and slander from the start to today. The Remain party pitched their side up with arguments such as "if you leave you'll have no job security, no NHS security, nothing will be worth anything any more, oh and also don't vote Leave because Boris Johnson supports Leave, also that's what ISIS would want"...and meanwhile, the Leave party were riposting with arguments such as "if you remain you'll have no job security, no NHS security, nothing will be worth anything any more, oh and also don't vote Remain because Corbyn supports Remain, also that's what the fat cat bankers would want"

I am completely unsurprised that there's so much political turmoil atm, so in effect, I am going to the Winchester to have a pint and wait for this to blow over. If there was any detailed, relevant, unbiased or honest reporting, it certainly didn't have any real public awareness.
 
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