UAs, Barnacles & other mysteries Thread 7 - The Canonn

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There is one other plausible explanation which is anti-immersive. When creating the UAs FDEV had to come up with a way for them to communicate to the players that could be plausibly cracked and said 'What about Morse, that'd be cool", without really pondering the leaps of intuition folks might make about the UA origins based on their Morse code use. If they'd created even the simplest truly alien encoding scheme with no immediately recognizable basis there would have been zero chance of anyone figuring it out.

FDev might well have come up with the idea for the UAs to use morse first and then tried to rationalise it. Indeed the UAs and Nav beacons very probably use the same code to translate system names into morse.
But it would not be unreasonable for the official secret cannon to be that they learned morse from the nav beacons.
 
Darn. Sorry to say this but will need audio without background ambience... So sorry guys, but there is little I can do until I ONLY have the UP audio.

Yeah, some planets seem to have some background ambience you cannot turn off - or can you (music was off)? - and Merope 5c seems to be one of them.
 
Im just gonna ask Micheal since a lot of canonn is clueless atm.

Micheal, searching the WHOLE of merope 5C is really REALLY tedious... will the Probe help us find something?
 
the connections to any earth centric myths do make sense if we're the ones placing things and manipulating them. and since every "alien" discovery related to UA's, barnacles, and UP's have been directly related to either being in or being next to human vessels, this is a strong possibility.

Funny you should mention that. I've been meaning to start an "Out of the Darkness" thread similar to the "Reclamation" Rift thread. Not sure how many people have read it but I've been chasing it off on and on for a while (along with the other books). There are some very interesting parallels between the book, engineers, Thargoids and the recent UA/UP discovery. I'll leave one little tidbit here, fair warning it's very spoilier-ish, so don't click if you don't want some of the story ruined before you read it.
At the end of the book after they destroy the Thargoid enhanced base (which to me had barnacle/UA like characteristics) in Peregrina, they give chase to a single ship that survived the wreckage. That ship was, according to the book, headed directly away from human civilization. If you draw a line from the center of the bubble through Peregrina you end up in the Pleides. Peregrina in latin can be translated as 'alien'. It's quite plausible they're engineered. There are other issues in the book that map to other things. I've yet to find anything truly actionable though not from a lack of effort.

I'll likely start one this weekend or before. I think it's high time, I just keep getting distracted with playing the game.

What other objects in Elite use morse? The UAs could have learned morse from the nav beacons which broadcast their location, the system name, using morse. If all other human radio communication is compressed or encrypted it makes sense.

So they don't know English but they do know system names. Procedurally generated system names follow a pattern so they could just have learned those from the nav beacon. This pattern involves using the letters as coordinates so the ship drawing is also possible without further communication.

The big question is not why they know morse or systems names but why are they using it? It only really makes sense if they are trying to communicate with us. But if that's their intention, they are going about it in a strange way.

A strange way indeed. You could even say they are going about it in an alien way. They are aliens, everything about them would be, well, alien. Perhaps they think differently than we do? That said, basic logic should be a universal trait. Then again, some humans seem to have trouble with logic so maybe not. I think the problem is, we're trying to understand something without enough information to actually understand it, so we can only theorize.

I seem to recall about when this whole Barnacle thing first happened there was also an investigation into the disappeareance of the Antares, a passenger ship with a prototype hyperdrive which suffered a hyperdrive malfunction. This all occured roughly 50 years ago. Back during the original Barnacle rush, the Sirius Corporation launched an investigation into this historical dissapearance, locating and eventually recovering debris from the Antares (thanks to us). Since this was all happening at the same time as the Barnacle craze, there was a theory that perhaps they were connected. I've thought about this a bit and it's led me to a rather unusual theory.

We know that, while rare, hyperspace malfunctions can occur. What if one of the early human colony ships suffered a hyperspace malfunction which threw the colony ship to another part of the galaxy. There, they would have had to colonize a suitable planet and build a new civilization completely isolated from Earth. The splinter civilization idea isn't exactly groundbreaking or new, but I think it's a possibility. Depending on how long ago it happened, this society could be very developed and very different from our own. Having to survive on an alien planet with no support from Earth could have changed these people in ways we can't even imagine. Perhaps they discovered organic technology we never did. It might explain how these organic artifacts and probes somehow know very human things, like Morse code, and Greek mythology. Perhaps they were sent to find us, or scan us. I don't know, it's an interesting theory, but it doesn't explain the significance of Merope, a system which has been associated with the Thargoids in previous iterations of this franchise. Unless these humans are trying to distract or mislead us...

Honestly, I'm more intrigued by the idea of an entire civilization of very alien humans with a shared ancestry to us than the kind of alien race you'd expect to see in a sci-fi movie.
 
Im just gonna ask Micheal since a lot of canonn is clueless atm.

Micheal, searching the WHOLE of merope 5C is really REALLY tedious... will the Probe help us find something?

"Michael please tell us what we're missing"

No thanks.

If it was designed to be figured out in a couple of days then we'd have done so.

Equally, if it's been worked on for months, then helping us work it out in a couple of days would be a bit, well, self-defeating no?
 
"Michael please tell us what we're missing"

No thanks.

If it was designed to be figured out in a couple of days then we'd have done so.

Equally, if it's been worked on for months, then helping us work it out in a couple of days would be a bit, well, self-defeating no?

Looking on merope 5C that is a 1 TO 1 scale. Its to tedious even for FD standards
 
"Michael please tell us what we're missing"

No thanks.

If it was designed to be figured out in a couple of days then we'd have done so.

Equally, if it's been worked on for months, then helping us work it out in a couple of days would be a bit, well, self-defeating no?

This.

One question: does the UP point to the centre of the planet? (Sorry if it's already been asked and answered, can't find the info on the front page.)
 
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Looking on merope 5C that is a 1 TO 1 scale. Its to tedious even for FD standards

Disagree

We're on thread 7 after how long? What is great about this is the pace. It has kept hundreds of commanders interested for this long - not because it is a CG that seems exciting, but because it's a mystery that drives people to ask crazy questions, fly across the galaxy in search of answers and ENJOY THEMSELVES whether they are right or wrong.

Not for everyone, but great for a great many people.
 
This.

One question: does the UP point to the centre of the planet? (Sorry if it's already been asked and answered, can't find the info on the front page.)

As far as we could see it was pointing to the centre of the planet. There's some pointing action in the second video on the first page, under: "IT POINTS TO MEROPE 5C!
Watch the video:"

Hehe - Bungalo beat me to it! :D
 
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so the UA points to the center of Merope star indicating the system UP points at the center of Merope 5c indicating the planet but why? to tell us there's a barnacle there? or is there something else. do we have a UP at the moment and are people doing tests with them?
 
I have searched for hours and hours on 5c now, mainly in the canyons and the big crater (which is HUGE!)..
nothing, nada, zip!

Take part in the grid search of Merope 5c. On the first page of this thread, mark where you have been. Its quite easy to use once you get the hang of it :). We just need approximately 10k players [woah]
 
Im just gonna ask Micheal since a lot of canonn is clueless atm.

Micheal, searching the WHOLE of merope 5C is really REALLY tedious... will the Probe help us find something?

It is very easy for me to guess the age of a CMDR: the more hints he's asking to MB, the younger the age :D
Am I wrong? ;)

Anyway, I've never asked a hint to MB: according to my theory I must be an Highlander...
 
so the UA points to the center of Merope star indicating the system UP points at the center of Merope 5c indicating the planet but why? to tell us there's a barnacle there? or is there something else. do we have a UP at the moment and are people doing tests with them?
Does the probe scans ships first, then turns to face Merope 5C?
If so, we could assume it transmits the scan data to somewhere in Merope 5C.
...does not mean we can actually find what is at that location until a future update comes up.
(But i guess this may have already been suggested)
 
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Thanks guys. So there COULD be a shell around Merope 5C. Heading there right now.

I hope you all are joking: any shell 135-150 ly around Merope 5c is the same to that around Merope, people.
But I think you are joking, aren't you?

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Does the probe scans ships first, then turns to face Merope 5C?
If so, we could assume it transmits the scan data to somewhere in Merope 5C.
...does not mean we can actually find what is at that location until a future update comes up.
(But i guess this may have already been suggested)

NO it doesn't scan ships.
 
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