General / Off-Topic The future of Politics here in the UK

Well done, your obvious delight at the possibility the UK will suffer because it had the temerity to vote against your own particular view from where is it - Hungary?, is most enlightening. Perhaps you didn't lay on the doom and gloom enough. If only Becks had told us one more time that the "EU will Spank us" if we choose to leave. May be we need some more of Adepts "political re-education".

Sorry, what's done is done. Now's the time to figure out a way forwards, not more childish mud-slinging and "ner ner ner - told you so."

How is the EU's credit rating holding up these days.....

That wasn't my intention lol.

My intention was to answer to Javerts post in an humorous way, since he mentioned people who think they have nothing to lose.

I don't think it's in the least funny that the UK will suffer because I know a lot of very cool people from there who absolutely don't deserve to get dragged through the pile of crap their country is heading for and because I will feel those consequences, too.

The actions of the EU are kinda foreseeable. They don't even need to spank you. They just need to make the negotiations as hard as possible and your country will spank itself.

We can't change what happened. But if you look at the one who's at fault for the current situation, look into your own country. You'll find plenty of people responsible for it there.

For the EUs credit rating: I'm aware that it got down rated too. But the credit rating of the EU and the credit rating of the EU members are two different things. And as far as I know no member, except for the UK, got rated down because of the Brexit.
 

verminstar

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So what is it that you actually want?

You don't trust the courts or the policw, and think that the system has failed you and the neighborhood you grew up in. You want not only capital punishment but actual public hangings. Wouldn't that just get people from your circles hanged then if the police and courts are against you? From bad to worse.

You want out of EU who demands respect for human rights and rule of law. So you feel the police are corrupt, but don't want pressure from the outside into fixing it?

Who do you want to rule the UK? Nigel the MEP who doesn't bother to turn up to work in the fisheries commitee to defend British interests in the EU? Gove because he tells you to "not trust the experts"?

You sure seem angry. I get the protest vote, but what do you actually want? Just to see the world burn, including the UK?

Simple...I want the UK to stay the UK and out of the EU. The same EU that tells us we have to house,cloth and feed convicted peedos who go and kill 14 year old girls within a week of that EU ruling of his "rights". The same EU that wants us to throw open our borders...OUR borders to just about anyone who fancies afternoon tea with her maj...and their families and all their friends...and their friends...and enough is enough. But it's never enough with the EU because it's completely open and that I simply cannot agree to. I had mentioned this as being a highly motivating aspect and as yet, all anyone has done is to either ignore it or pour scorn and accusations of racism at...sorta used to it now so either change the record and deal with the issue or continue to make the same mistakes that lost ye the referendum...your choice.

What I specifically want? Complex answer. Easier to just tell ye what I don't want and that's open borders and I don't care for taking orders from a brussels/berlin tag team, elected or otherwise. I don't want to see my daughter having to walk on the other side of the street because a bunch of immigrants are making her feel uncomfortable because of the very dramatic rise in recorded s that all seem to follow a very familiar pattern and all seem to lead back to the same ethnic groups time and time again. Not an awful lot of this seems to be making it's way onto the BBC news which have been found to be severely lacking when it comes to impartiality...so they gotta go when the dust settles...that's one thing I do want to see.

We have been trying for years...decades to get those in authority to listen to us and time and time again, we are simply called racist and told to be more tolerant by the experts in their ivory towers and manicured gardens...and now the EU wants to make things immeasurably worse and you ask me what I specifically want? I wanna slap yer faces and get ye to wake up to whats happening under yer very noses...after ye remove them from the EU collective but hole.

Watch the world burn? I like the odd joke but the joker I am not...I want a better future for my daughter than what I had to go through...if I have to do bad things to make that dream a reality and be branded a racist, then so be it. There is nothing I wouldn't do for her...and she is afraid. She has nightmares at night...I jest you not. Perhaps if you yourself are a father, then you understand. My methods and beliefs may not be good but my intentions are whether you agree or not.

I'm sorry, but I genuinely do not feel as though that future can be attained while we remain within the EU, and so far not one single argument has done anything to change that opinion. So far it's been nothing but "told ye so" and mud slinging and innuendo and ad hominem insults...the very reason why I stopped listening to "experts" because they don't talk to us, they talk at us...there's a difference ^^
 
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That wasn't my intention lol.

My intention was to answer to Javerts post in an humorous way, since he mentioned people who think they have nothing to lose.

I don't think it's in the least funny that the UK will suffer because I know a lot of very cool people from there who absolutely don't deserve to get dragged through the pile of crap their country is heading for and because I will feel those consequences, too.

The actions of the EU are kinda foreseeable. They don't even need to spank you. They just need to make the negotiations as hard as possible and your country will spank itself.

We can't change what happened. But if you look at the one who's at fault for the current situation, look into your own country. You'll find plenty of people responsible for it there.

For the EUs credit rating: I'm aware that it got down rated too. But the credit rating of the EU and the credit rating of the EU members are two different things. And as far as I know no member, except for the UK, got rated down because of the Brexit.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_credit_rating
 
Yep, I'm aware that not all memberstates of the EU are on AAA level. But got they rated down because of the Brexit or for different reasons?

Apologies, that wasn't the point I was making. That chart shows the UK is lower than the EU and a number of EU countries.

At the end of the day, we just need to get on with what we've done. Fait accompli.
 
Apologies, that wasn't the point I was making. That chart shows the UK is lower than the EU and a number of EU countries.

At the end of the day, we just need to get on with what we've done. Fait accompli.


Or you just stop this insanity and dont leave the EU :p
 
Apologies, that wasn't the point I was making. That chart shows the UK is lower than the EU and a number of EU countries.

At the end of the day, we just need to get on with what we've done. Fait accompli.

Oh sorry, misunderstood you.

Yeah, the economy is in a tight spot in the UK. I read earlier that more big companies stated intentions to move their HQ to the EU.

I guess the current     uation will continue until the UK has left and started negotiating new deals.
 
By being the master of its own decisions. A Great pride here

:)

There's absolutely no glory in making a decision you're not prepared for. And the UK was in no way prepared for the Brexit. Neither Cameron and the government nor Boris Johnson or Nigal Farage.

And don't try the "It's not their job to prepare ..." thing. If you promise things like "The EU will grant us access to the single market and let us keep every benefit", "our economy will prosper" and "The NHS gets 350 million pounds", you're expected to have a plan to realize that.

Someone else made a fitting comparison earlier in the thread: "The Brexit is like quitting your job without having another one in reserve.".
 
There's absolutely no glory in making a decision you're not prepared for. And the UK was in no way prepared for the Brexit. Neither Cameron and the government nor Boris Johnson or Nigal Farage.

And don't try the "It's not their job to prepare ..." thing. If you promise things like "The EU will grant us access to the single market and let us keep every benefit", "our economy will prosper" and "The NHS gets 350 million pounds", you're expected to have a plan to realize that.

Someone else made a fitting comparison earlier in the thread: "The Brexit is like quitting your job without having another one in reserve.".

After the procedure of Brexit (normally in two years, if all goes well), the British will be very well prepared

;)
 
I don't want to see my daughter having to walk on the other side of the street because a bunch of immigrants are making her feel uncomfortable because of the very dramatic rise in recorded s that all seem to follow a very familiar pattern and all seem to lead back to the same ethnic groups time and time again.

Then you've been doubly had.

1. The referendum result won't reduce the numbers of 'that ethnic groups' immigrants, and may actually increase them.

2. The notion that they're coming here to      and oppress us is a joke. It is perfectly true that the Tabloid press, particularly Richard Desmond (a man who doesn't even know what the word "ethical" means yet owns several UK newspapers) don't like them and run scare stories on them, but those are scare stories are just stories.

Look at this website.

http://www.anorak.co.uk/288298/keyp...things-that-give-you-cancer-from-a-to-z.html/

Do you forbid your daughter from any of those things to keep her safe?

Not an awful lot of this seems to be making it's way onto the BBC news which have been found to be severely lacking when it comes to impartiality...so they gotta go when the dust settles...that's one thing I do want to see.

That is because the BBC has more journalistic integrity than the rest of the UK press. The reason these things don't make it onto new channels is because they need some facts to report on. Lies and supposition aren't what the BBC is about.
 
And how? Tell me more?

Making wild claims without backing them up is easy.

But just because the United Kingdom is a great nation and that nobody in the world has an interest to break the geopolitical balance of the Western world. Just look how they all do pee in their pants just by thinking about
 
Verminstar, you didn't answer my question directly, but this post did go some way to answering it. It wa quite a long post so if I may split it up and try to put down what I think your view is. Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to put words into your mouth, it's more akin to reading back a message to ensure it's not got garbled in transmission. If I have misrepresented your view on anyway, it's my fault and please correct me.

Simple...I want the UK to stay the UK and out of the EU. The same EU that tells us we have to house,cloth and feed convicted peedos who go and kill 14 year old girls within a week of that EU ruling of his "rights".
you are fed up of the EU preventing us deporting various foreigners who either have a serious criminal record or have committed crimes in the UK or we have good reason to suspect might commit crimes in the UK. I'm not familiar with the case you mention but Mr "Hook heads" preacher might be an example?

The same EU that wants us to throw open our borders...OUR borders to just about anyone who fancies afternoon tea with her maj...and their families and all their friends...and their friends...and enough is enough.
you dislike the EU requirement that the UK cannot stop other nationalities from living and working in the UK.


I don't want and that's open borders and I don't care for taking orders from a brussels/berlin tag team, elected or otherwise.
you dislike the EU telling the UK what to do. I assume you mean you dislike the European Court of Human rights and the European court of justice having the final say over UK matters and you dislike the EU laws (in the sense of decided by the commission/council/parliament) taking precedence over UK laws (decided by MPs in Westminster).

I don't want to see my daughter having to walk on the other side of the street because a bunch of immigrants are making her feel uncomfortable because of the very dramatic rise in recorded s that all seem to follow a very familiar pattern and all seem to lead back to the same ethnic groups time and time again.
may I ask if your daughters fear comes from a specific incident or incidents with immigrants or are you fearful that this might happen in the near future? By same ethnic group I assume you mean north Africans, as reported in the Cologne Christmas celebrations


the very reason why I stopped listening to "experts" because they don't talk to us, they talk at us...there's a difference ^^
by "they talk to us" do you mean, Leave, UKIP, Britain First?

Again, I mean no offence, as one of the more responsive and articulate Leavers to post on this thread, I'm genuinely interested in your viewpoint as it's very different to mine (unsurprising as we apparently live in very different places). Have I git your views approximately right? Have is misinterpreted anything? Are there any other areas apart from immigration and EU vs UK control issue?
 
But just because the United Kingdom is a great nation and that nobody in the world has an interest to break the geopolitical balance of the Western world. Just look how they all do pee in their pants just by thinking about

Not an answer to what I said. But anyways: Do we live in the same world?

The UK is on the edge of breaking apart. And the EU already said that they're not going easy on them during the negotiations.

And who pees their pants by just thinking about it? Some sources would be nice.
 
I think I can't help you.

Some men are afraid of gay people. It is a genuine fear, often coupled with hate. Should they be allowed to discriminate, maybe beat up gay people to feel better? Deport them, execute them? Your talk about "pedos" seem to be directed at immigrants, and probably Muslims in general. That is by definition racism. Racism isn't some abstract insult, it is an actual prejudiced and discriminatory way of thinking. It does no good to get offended about being called racist if you actually say and support racist things.

You wonder why the BBC doesn't report those immigrant crimes you read so much about? In Finland the similar case with a "CLOSE THE BORDERS!" activist group is because they think all the unconfirmed reports and propaganda they read off websites is real. They think the police are protecting the immigrants and the national news organizations don't want to report on them. This is not true. If anything our police are prejudiced and racist, and are extra suspicious of any dark skinned refugees and immigrants. What is happening is that the MUSLIM SHARIA APOCALYPSE isn't a real thing.

You seem to be driven by fear and I suspect you are in an echo chamber of like minded individuals. Your daughter being afraid is a real problem, but you should be reassuring her rather than stoking that fear.

I don't know... if your viewpoint has significant support in the UK then it does need to be outside of the EU, same as Turkey and Russia and for similar reasons.

Simple...I want the UK to stay the UK and out of the EU. The same EU that tells us we have to house,cloth and feed convicted peedos who go and kill 14 year old girls within a week of that EU ruling of his "rights". The same EU that wants us to throw open our borders...OUR borders to just about anyone who fancies afternoon tea with her maj...and their families and all their friends...and their friends...and enough is enough. But it's never enough with the EU because it's completely open and that I simply cannot agree to. I had mentioned this as being a highly motivating aspect and as yet, all anyone has done is to either ignore it or pour scorn and accusations of racism at...sorta used to it now so either change the record and deal with the issue or continue to make the same mistakes that lost ye the referendum...your choice.

What I specifically want? Complex answer. Easier to just tell ye what I don't want and that's open borders and I don't care for taking orders from a brussels/berlin tag team, elected or otherwise. I don't want to see my daughter having to walk on the other side of the street because a bunch of immigrants are making her feel uncomfortable because of the very dramatic rise in recorded s that all seem to follow a very familiar pattern and all seem to lead back to the same ethnic groups time and time again. Not an awful lot of this seems to be making it's way onto the BBC news which have been found to be severely lacking when it comes to impartiality...so they gotta go when the dust settles...that's one thing I do want to see.

We have been trying for years...decades to get those in authority to listen to us and time and time again, we are simply called racist and told to be more tolerant by the experts in their ivory towers and manicured gardens...and now the EU wants to make things immeasurably worse and you ask me what I specifically want? I wanna slap yer faces and get ye to wake up to whats happening under yer very noses...after ye remove them from the EU collective but hole.

Watch the world burn? I like the odd joke but the joker I am not...I want a better future for my daughter than what I had to go through...if I have to do bad things to make that dream a reality and be branded a racist, then so be it. There is nothing I wouldn't do for her...and she is afraid. She has nightmares at night...I jest you not. Perhaps if you yourself are a father, then you understand. My methods and beliefs may not be good but my intentions are whether you agree or not.

I'm sorry, but I genuinely do not feel as though that future can be attained while we remain within the EU, and so far not one single argument has done anything to change that opinion. So far it's been nothing but "told ye so" and mud slinging and innuendo and ad hominem insults...the very reason why I stopped listening to "experts" because they don't talk to us, they talk at us...there's a difference ^^
 

Yaffle

Volunteer Moderator
Simple...I want the UK to stay the UK and out of the EU. The same EU that tells us we have to house,cloth and feed convicted peedos who go and kill 14 year old girls within a week of that EU ruling of his "rights".

Which case is this?

The same EU that wants us to throw open our borders...OUR borders to just about anyone who fancies afternoon tea with her maj...and their families and all their friends...and their friends...and enough is enough.

Borders to EU citizens, about half of last year's net immigration. The rest WE decided to admit, one would assume for good reasons.

But it's never enough with the EU because it's completely open and that I simply cannot agree to.

Not quite. We can refuse to admit known EU nationals who are criminals, and indeed we do. Obviously unknown criminals pass through whatever their origin.

What I specifically want? Complex answer. Easier to just tell ye what I don't want and that's open borders and I don't care for taking orders from a brussels/berlin tag team, elected or otherwise. I don't want to see my daughter having to walk on the other side of the street because a bunch of immigrants are making her feel uncomfortable because of the very dramatic rise in recorded s that all seem to follow a very familiar pattern and all seem to lead back to the same ethnic groups time and time again. Not an awful lot of this seems to be making it's way onto the BBC news which have been found to be severely lacking when it comes to impartiality...so they gotta go when the dust settles...that's one thing I do want to see.

About 70% of all sexual offences are from white men - https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/an-overview-of-sexual-offending-in-england-and-wales so the immigrants you fear are really scapegoated here.

It's the BBC's 'balance' that partially caused this mess. Giving the same weight to the opinion of one expert who has an opinion that differs from 1,000 other experts gives undue weight to the outlier. This happened with Brexit, and it happens with climate change. Unwittingly the BBC were biased in favour of exit.

We have been trying for years...decades to get those in authority to listen to us and time and time again, we are simply called racist and told to be more tolerant by the experts in their ivory towers and manicured gardens...and now the EU wants to make things immeasurably worse and you ask me what I specifically want? I wanna slap yer faces and get ye to wake up to whats happening under yer very noses...after ye remove them from the EU collective but hole.

This is indeed a problem, we can't have a sensible discussion about this without someone raising the racism accusation. That is a failing, but not just at the EU level, from every level within the UK. I don't quite know how the EU wants to make it immeasurably worse, however.

Watch the world burn? I like the odd joke but the joker I am not...I want a better future for my daughter than what I had to go through...if I have to do bad things to make that dream a reality and be branded a racist, then so be it. There is nothing I wouldn't do for her...and she is afraid. She has nightmares at night...I jest you not. Perhaps if you yourself are a father, then you understand. My methods and beliefs may not be good but my intentions are whether you agree or not.

I think all of us do. I note your location, and assume you understand the implications for the removal of freedom of movement?

I understand the fear of the different, the fear of rumour. But that's all it is. As an example a few years ago I worked in Belfast. Which is a great city. One night the chap I was working with decided we should go to a gig at place called The Rotterdam. Door covered in IRA graffiti. I was terrified, but in we went and had a great evening. Perceptions can be wrong, and education and understanding from both sides bridges the gap.

I'm sorry, but I genuinely do not feel as though that future can be attained while we remain within the EU, and so far not one single argument has done anything to change that opinion. So far it's been nothing but "told ye so" and mud slinging and innuendo and ad hominem insults...the very reason why I stopped listening to "experts" because they don't talk to us, they talk at us...there's a difference ^^

I'm sorry you feel that way. Nothing I have typed was aimed at you as an ad-hom. I'm also disappointed you feel so disconnected from the 'experts', but the problem there is they may well know what they are talking about more than some bloke down the pub.
 

Minonian

Banned
Dont give a damn neither ianw, Or Veminstar. Both of them getting technical by cherry picking your worlds, taking them out of context and by doing so they use staw man reasoning to blacken you.
For that Ianw already ended up, in my ignore list. Anyway talking about that dirty little 2 faced man? I don't belive he is voted for stay, the way he acts toward the others in the same party says otherwise.

They are not partners in debate, but very good camo trolls, deal with them accordingly.

Edit; And when they been caught in the act they starting to play the innocent victim.
 
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verminstar

Banned
Then you've been doubly had.

1. The referendum result won't reduce the numbers of 'that ethnic groups' immigrants, and may actually increase them.

2. The notion that they're coming here to and oppress us is a joke. It is perfectly true that the Tabloid press, particularly Richard Desmond (a man who doesn't even know what the word "ethical" means yet owns several UK newspapers) don't like them and run scare stories on them, but those are scare stories are just stories.

Look at this website.

http://www.anorak.co.uk/288298/keyp...things-that-give-you-cancer-from-a-to-z.html/

Do you forbid your daughter from any of those things to keep her safe?



That is because the BBC has more journalistic integrity than the rest of the UK press. The reason these things don't make it onto new channels is because they need some facts to report on. Lies and supposition aren't what the BBC is about.

No, it's because their present boss has financial ties with the tory government who don't want everyone knowing the truth...just another mouthpiece for a corrupt and broken system and that has become increasingly apparent to a great many people. It can wait for now but rest assured it will not be forgotten so easily...this is one story that has yet to play out some more yet.

I don't base my motives on the tabloids or media of any kind...I base what I feel on personal experience...did actually point this out earlier had anyone bothered to actually listen...not one of the remainiacs stronger traits but one might have hoped some lessons would be learned...apparently not ^^
 
I don't belive he is voted for stay, the way he acts toward the others in the same party says otherwise.

That does seem likely. There was that "I would have voted to remain but you guys are so nasty to me I'll now vote Leave" business in an earlier thread. It's just a simple manipulation attempt.
 
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