Right at this moment, I as a member of the general public can get on either my XB1 or PC and play Elite. I can't quite do that with Star Citizen at the moment. Probably should have added Currently in front of available.
Why I think Elite Dangerous is going to dominate the Space MMO/Space Sim genre
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Right at this moment, I as a member of the general public can get on either my XB1 or PC and play Elite. I can't quite do that with Star Citizen at the moment. Probably should have added Currently in front of available.
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Yes you can lol.
Just like with ED you just need to buy the Game.
The standart Package is around 50 Euro I think.
Grants you instant access to the Alpha as well as to the Full Game once it comes out.
I've noticed a common factor in most of the replies here such and such games has "potential" and that's the thing isn't it... Frontier have released a working game be it NOT perfect all the others are just endless concepts, early access and ideas. Once Frontier develop and we get further down the road Elite will have most of what these concepts have... one of the posters mentioned Star Citizen has an issue with many players in a single location. There's your answer there these games being concept have no idea how well they'll launch on release with thousands descending. People may hate the 32 player instancing on Elite but it could turn out to be the best more Frontier make and allow them to actually have stable game where as others will spend years trying to get single instancing working for masses. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to pick Elite over other games I love Star Citizen as an idea I'm just using the facts and my view.
Mate SC is not out at all. Its an early Alpha Testbuild.
One which is of course very clunky. But for a fact its one which has alot more features than ED
In dreamland yes, do you actually know the scope for Elite? Its humongous big, much much bigger than SC, but they don't run around and beat their torso about it.
Mu77ley
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Nonsense. They're not even the same style of game!
That's like saying the new Zelda game will wipe the floor with Call of Duty. Pure bunkum.
It'll be competing more with Planetside 2 than anything else, as all the game is doing is a limited PvP-only team-based fragfest.
It seems to me that we're in a bit of a golden age for space-games, and many look complementary, with hopefully each encouraging more awareness of the other - e.g. NMS on PS4 will not hurt ED's eventual arrival on PS4, indeed it may well add to the numbers sold.
NMS is quite different to ED, in graphical style (I like them both), play-style (NMS looks very gamepad oriented) and in storyline with NMS having an overarching 'head to the centre' narrative, so I suspect many players will enjoy both on their own merits.
There are some obvious competitors, e.g. CoD IW and SQ42, but with the likely gap between their delivery dates I suspect they will co-exist.
So, I don't expect ED to dominate in the traditional sense as it's not that sort of a game, it's more of an experience, but I do expect it to be there at the finishing line. In terms of numbers sold CoD will easily 'win', with their firmly established multi-platform player base they'd be hard pressed not to.
The thing I'm most looking forward to is having other properly released space games available allowing (a slim hope maybe) a more balanced debate around which aspect of each product does which element best. Debating where SC, a game likely still 18+ months away, will fit in is pointless.
NMS is quite different to ED, in graphical style (I like them both), play-style (NMS looks very gamepad oriented) and in storyline with NMS having an overarching 'head to the centre' narrative, so I suspect many players will enjoy both on their own merits.
There are some obvious competitors, e.g. CoD IW and SQ42, but with the likely gap between their delivery dates I suspect they will co-exist.
So, I don't expect ED to dominate in the traditional sense as it's not that sort of a game, it's more of an experience, but I do expect it to be there at the finishing line. In terms of numbers sold CoD will easily 'win', with their firmly established multi-platform player base they'd be hard pressed not to.
The thing I'm most looking forward to is having other properly released space games available allowing (a slim hope maybe) a more balanced debate around which aspect of each product does which element best. Debating where SC, a game likely still 18+ months away, will fit in is pointless.
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Agreed. The scope of elite is way more impressive to me than SC.
I own star citizen. I log in once a month to see how its coming along.
Nothing there at the moment comes close to holding my attention like Elite does.
Player driven economies and reactive industries of SC are far more important to me than the flat & rather static BGS of ED. Don't get me wrong - ED has some good things for it but IMO it's heading totally in the wrong direction. I log in maybe once a month to ED to see if it has improved and sadly go back to my regular gaming elsewhere.
Mu77ley
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I very much doubt you are going to get that; over 4 years in and they can't even made a decent FPS in a dedicated FPS engine.
And we shall not speak of the dreadful flight model with massive ships that perform like paper aeroplanes...
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Well, I said that the Battlescape alone can not be true competitor to ED. However, devs have A LOT bigger thing on their mind. Let's just say that they were working on realistic procedural galaxy, planets and seamless interstellar travel ten years ago while the Frontier was busy with furry kittens
It's just that, being tiny indie studio with very limited budget, and with too much time lost, they decided to go for what can be realisticaly done within reasonable time frame. Battlescape is being built on same technology as their massive Quest for the Earth project; it's no secret that they're planning to use Battlescape both to provide steady income, and as a platform for expansion.
Is this going to happen or not is of course different subject. With SC, NMS and ED who stole almost all attention of space sim fans, it's certainly not going to be easy.
Yes, I have looked at Hellion. Its very SC'ish, but it could be an alternative to SC, if SC doesn't perform well on some pc systems in the future. Not sure how they're getting on with it.
We shall see - I haven't invested yet into SC having dropped all my cash on ED, but if they do pull something out the bag then who knows
Who of us is in Dreamland then ?
Dont get me wrong. But unless the Devs announce a Feature to be Realized. I.ll not consider it to be Planned.
As I said clearly.
ED vs SC will be very depending on just how Far ED has Expanded itself by the time SC goes into Open Beta.
If ED Manages to actually Increase its Features and Scope by this time. They might stand a Chance.
But being Honest. Given the Responses and Knowledge of whats currently Planned. Chances are that ED will not go far beyond what it is now.
No Ship that cannot Dock the Slot Machine.
No Boerding Combat.
No NPC Crews
In most stuff the Devs either said No or its simply being left without Answer
But if you think ED will Expand feel free to give us an enlightment on this Humongous big Scope and Show us just where you have the reliable Information on them planning something.
I think the sooner players realise that ED & SC are very different games, then the dust on all these 'very old' arguments could settle. I have played both and nothing in either game, really reminds me of the other, ignoring -space- for now. Other than space, they are very different games with different goals.
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Could be though, I'm getting too old and too mellow... :|
Other than space, they are very different games with different goals..
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Could be though, I'm getting too old and too mellow... :|
Who of us is in Dreamland then ?
Dont get me wrong. But unless the Devs announce a Feature to be Realized. I.ll not consider it to be Planned.
As I said clearly.
ED vs SC will be very depending on just how Far ED has Expanded itself by the time SC goes into Open Beta.
If ED Manages to actually Increase its Features and Scope by this time. They might stand a Chance.
But being Honest. Given the Responses and Knowledge of whats currently Planned. Chances are that ED will not go far beyond what it is now.
No Ship that cannot Dock the Slot Machine.
No Boerding Combat.
No NPC Crews
In most stuff the Devs either said No or its simply being left without Answer
Of course at CGI you will always get an answer. Not a clear one, but something along an "YES, OF COURSE, WE WILL DO THAT TOO".
Yeah ED won't go far from what it is now. That's why there are multiple seasons planned and that they have different teams working on the current game but also the walking around and atmo planets expansions.[yesnod]
Really good OP. I hope you're right. FD is certainly playing the long game with ED, which in my view is ultimately the best way to implement their vision. I won't deny from a players perspective that I don't get impatient with the pace of development. However this incremental approach does allow for regular rebalancing and opportunity to learn from mistakes. The ED galaxy has so much potential that can be added to for years. I really like the flight model and the graphics and sound design are fantastic. The key will be how the gameplay develops. Personally I think the implementation of Powerplay wasn't great, and the Engineers needs balancing. However both are in their most basic forms and the scope is there to develop deeper general gameplay options that will in turn compliment, support and improve these additions.
One things for sure, as the space truckers say, I'm in it for the long haul.
One things for sure, as the space truckers say, I'm in it for the long haul.
I think the sooner players realise that ED & SC are very different games, then the dust on all these 'very old' arguments could settle. I have played both and nothing in either game, really reminds me of the other, ignoring -space- for now.
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Could be though, I'm getting too old and too mellow... :|
Well in General they are not thaat different.
Both are Space MMOs with an Open World.
One of the Big Differences would be Exploration if ED would get up from their Asses and Finally Start giving us some more stuff to do in that Field. Because Star Citizen is not going this Direction very much.
SC announced to go very Detailed on everything. But in exchange the Scale will be much smaller.
So you wont have 4 Billion Stars to Explore. But in exchange a Single Planet will be something that a whole Clan can take Months to Survey.
Aside from that there aint really much that you can do in ED which aint going to be possible in SC.
And thats the Problem.
ED Needs to Step up their Pace.
Albeit well. Current Calculations assume that ED has roughly 2 Years before SC will become a Threat. So its not like its yet fully obvious which scale ED will have by that time.
Of course at CGI you will always get an answer. Not a clear one, but something along an "YES, OF COURSE, WE WILL DO THAT TOO".
Yeah ED won't go far from what it is now. That's why there are multiple seasons planned and that they have different teams working on the current game but also the walking around and atmo planets expansions.[yesnod]
Not really true.
So far SC has made an very strong Effort to be Clear with the Community about the Plans they have.
Something that I am missing on alot of other Dev Teams is that SC actually makes the Effort to Comment Suggestions. And then Denying, Adopting or Considering them.
And yes that Includes Denial of Suggestions
For example the Exploration Part wont be anywhere the 4 Billion Stars from ED.
Then again the Options for actual Exploration of a Single Planet will be much more Detailed.
The thing is you do hear some Rumors on Bigger Ships etc etc.
But in General ED seems to be going the way of X4
Meaning you dont get to Fly anything where the Commander is not Sitting in the Pilot Seat.
And yes.
Thats the thing that Worries me.
ED wont go far from where it is now.
This is the Biggest Problem. ED has the Potential to be Competing with Star Citizen. And they do have the Options for this. But they dont do it by their own Choice. Which might cost them alot in the Long Terms.
Its annoying me like Hell that ED could Implement a Ton of Features that would make em a Valid Competition to Star Citizen ahead of time. But simply refuse to do it.
Implementing Larger Ships and Adding a bigger Variety of Space Stations and Planet Bases.
As well as Implementing Clans and Allowing Clan Bases.
And of course actually allowing Space Stations to be Attacked and Destroyed.
All of this would be well Possible. And could be Realized very Fast.
For example adding Bigger Ships and adding more Variety of Space Stations and Planetary Bases could be entirely Outsourced as the Codes for Stations and Ships are already in the Game. Meaning the only big Work is the Graphics and Design.
Which could be done entirely Outsourced without even slowing Progress of other Features. And which would only take Minimal Adjustments into the System (Flight Model Parameters) etc to then be Implemented.
But instead FD is Ignoring this Entirely.
And the Denial of Player Owned Assets and Destructible Assets is very Limiting.
This would actually be one of the Big Points that ED could make. Because SC has yet to go for Destructible Space Stations. And it will be hard for them to go there because they are Handcrafting these Massive Stations.
While ED is from the Start using Mass Build Stations with a Backround Sim. Meaning they can easily make em Destructible without risking that they Lose Work from it.
ED CAN Compete with Star Citizen if they Try.
But that is the thing. They need to try.
They need to Step up their Pace and most of all their Scope.
Otherwise SC will rob them a Ton of Players.
Well in General they are not thaat different.
Both are Space MMOs with an Open World.
One of the Big Differences would be Exploration if ED would get up from their Asses and Finally Start giving us some more stuff to do in that Field. Because Star Citizen is not going this Direction very much.
SC announced to go very Detailed on everything. But in exchange the Scale will be much smaller.
So you wont have 4 Billion Stars to Explore. But in exchange a Single Planet will be something that a whole Clan can take Months to Survey.
Aside from that there aint really much that you can do in ED which aint going to be possible in SC.
And thats the Problem.
ED Needs to Step up their Pace.
Albeit well. Current Calculations assume that ED has roughly 2 Years before SC will become a Threat. So its not like its yet fully obvious which scale ED will have by that time.
Not really true.
So far SC has made an very strong Effort to be Clear with the Community about the Plans they have.
Something that I am missing on alot of other Dev Teams is that SC actually makes the Effort to Comment Suggestions. And then Denying, Adopting or Considering them.
And yes that Includes Denial of Suggestions
For example the Exploration Part wont be anywhere the 4 Billion Stars from ED.
Then again the Options for actual Exploration of a Single Planet will be much more Detailed.
The thing is you do hear some Rumors on Bigger Ships etc etc.
But in General ED seems to be going the way of X4
Meaning you dont get to Fly anything where the Commander is not Sitting in the Pilot Seat.
And yes.
Thats the thing that Worries me.
ED wont go far from where it is now.
This is the Biggest Problem. ED has the Potential to be Competing with Star Citizen. And they do have the Options for this. But they dont do it by their own Choice. Which might cost them alot in the Long Terms.
Its annoying me like Hell that ED could Implement a Ton of Features that would make em a Valid Competition to Star Citizen ahead of time. But simply refuse to do it.
Implementing Larger Ships and Adding a bigger Variety of Space Stations and Planet Bases.
As well as Implementing Clans and Allowing Clan Bases.
And of course actually allowing Space Stations to be Attacked and Destroyed.
All of this would be well Possible. And could be Realized very Fast.
For example adding Bigger Ships and adding more Variety of Space Stations and Planetary Bases could be entirely Outsourced as the Codes for Stations and Ships are already in the Game. Meaning the only big Work is the Graphics and Design.
Which could be done entirely Outsourced without even slowing Progress of other Features. And which would only take Minimal Adjustments into the System (Flight Model Parameters) etc to then be Implemented.
But instead FD is Ignoring this Entirely.
And the Denial of Player Owned Assets and Destructible Assets is very Limiting.
This would actually be one of the Big Points that ED could make. Because SC has yet to go for Destructible Space Stations. And it will be hard for them to go there because they are Handcrafting these Massive Stations.
While ED is from the Start using Mass Build Stations with a Backround Sim. Meaning they can easily make em Destructible without risking that they Lose Work from it.
ED CAN Compete with Star Citizen if they Try.
But that is the thing. They need to try.
They need to Step up their Pace and most of all their Scope.
Otherwise SC will rob them a Ton of Players.
Its the typical mistake of SC dreamers, they don't listen, they just make stuff up as they go along.
ED was never supposed to be EVE with cockpits, however the scope of what FD wanted to implement into the game was from the very beginning huge.
FD are working on it, and nor you nor I know what the road map look like, however we do know that FD also listen to the community and change the design if it make sense.
ED is not in anyway in the shadow of SC its the other way around.
Ok just to sum this Up.
You accuse SC Fans to be dreaming and just make stuff up.
Then you state that nobody knows FDs Roadmap but claim just like that that FD is planning insanely huge stuff.....
Mate no offense but your completely contradicting yourself.
What your saying makes absolutely no sense at all.
SC generalizes and says vaguely yes to anything?
Well if nothing else SC is much more precise with their announcements than your random claim that FD is planning an humoungos scale scope while not Mentioning ANYTHING on what this is going to be
Said this before.
If you claim FD is having huge plans post the announcement and what they plan.
Otherwise You have absolutely no right to claim SC would be vague or fans would make up stuff