General / Off-Topic Merica, wut?
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It's just getting worse. The cops are terrified of black people. They have been treating them poorly for a long time, and now they are scared out of their minds. Many of these people shouldn't be police, and shouldn't be allowed near guns.
Incorrect, there is always choice.
Minonian
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Not if they want to normalize the relations fast.
What's not going to happen. because? America is big and stupid in this matters enough to such accidents happen by everyday basis. The only way to stop it, if they change it how they handle this accidents.
There is no choice in this matter either doing it, or? Hell breaks loose. Such cops must be suspended and stand trial. because this was totally without cause.
If you use your gun make sure you must!
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Will be "interesting" how the (predominately white) hardcore 2nd amendment supporters work this through now it's black (and Muslim) people shooting at cops etc.
What...? Are you drawing some equality between the police and black people here? Are the black people getting gunned down like this somehow equally to blame? That's pretty outrageous.
Minonian
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Say what? Think it over what i'm written.Edit; Ah, ok... I get what you wanted to say.
With actions like this?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...he-victims-of-the-dallas-police-massacre.html
Pretty sure the cops are became more trigger happy. Can you blame them? They are just as afraid like the citizens.
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On this occasion the policeman 'accidentally' fired three times? Calling these things 'accidents' is not acceptable. I feel that there may be a language issue here.
My question would be, what or who was he shooting at, why did he miss; at least twice? However; I really don't understand, why he had to fire in the first place?
Its quite simple really.
We have this thing called freedom of the press. They have the freedom to air, print, broadcast, sink or spin the news any way they like.
Then we have police. Police arrest thousands of people everyday without incident. But occasionally something stupid happens. Who's to blame? We have a justice system that's supposed to determine that through due process, but the media like to blame the police and try the case in the court of public opinion and treat these incidents as the norm, rather than the exception to the rule.
I'm a bit more pragmatic. I like to wait till all the facts come in. You see, we've been here before. Videos like this, they sometimes tend to not show everything. Sometimes, they are cut just short of showing something damning happening by the participants. You'll notice that's the case here. The cameraman had a good vantage and yet either stopped filming before the shooting, or its been edited out. There may likely be a good reason for that. Personally, I'll wait till more information comes in before passing judgement. As probably should everyone else.
You are right i simply did not found better world.
And neither do i understand why he used his gun. There was no reason it at all. America is a trigger happy place... They let the gun think instead of them. Bad habit!
Trigger happy place, sure, but that isn't the crux of the issue here. It is much worse than that.
Police in the US have been treating black people like this for a very long time. Longer than any of us have been alive.
These things just gets noticed now because every person on the street is carrying an easy to use and access HD camera.
This cop is a (allegedly) racist and he saw an opportunity to shoot a black man (allegedly). In the past, the police report would have said something like, "Suspect was being hostile" or "Suspect made a furtive movement to their waste band" or "Suspect was threatening a civilian"
Throw on top of this an ever growing police state complex...eh
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I sort of get it, regardless of how many responsible gun owners that are, anyone, can basically have a gun, it is so very very easy to get in the US, so the police work from that assumption, that the person is most likely then not to have a gun. So they are scared for their life in most confrontations they end up in, they have a gun, they shoot so they themselves don't get shot..
And yeah, there are those that go "gun control doesn't work", tell that to Australia? works there just fine, the reason it doesn't work in individual locations that has it, is because it is only in select locations, so people can easily get guns from elsewhere, if the whole country had it, then it would be another thing...
Note, I am as a note, not against people owning guns, but there's a limit in my book, why would you need more then a shotgun for home defence? rifle for hunting? sure, but I see absolutely no reason why you would need any more then that, especially not assault weapons, automatic weapons, armour piercing ammo? why?
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Minonian
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Not just them... But everybody else. That's only not causing this big press coverage.
I wish it was.
And then you have those things called lawyers. One word out of place and BOOM!
Unfortunately in the world we live in, good news isn't news. The worse it gets then the more news worthy it is.
They ALWAYS cut short, otherwise the poor darlings would be litigating against the broadcasters left, right and centre.
That's why there are retractions, which they usually like to air when no one is watching.
Quite so. This is part of the problem. We have a whole society that loves to feed on negative energy all too enthusiastically.
Not so. They've aired these things before, with ample warning. In this case however, that critical piece of video just does not exist. No actual footage of the shooting has come forth yet. So far we have Mr Kinsey on the ground with his hands up, then we have Mr. Kinsey on the ground in cuffs post shooting. That's all.
Personally, I want to believe he did everything he could. The kid next to him, as I understand autistic, was not a model of compliance. Throw in the cops responding to a 911 call of a person with a gun threatening suicide, and you have all the ingredients for a potential disaster.
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Whether the world knows it yet or not, it is too late. It is already out of control, and will get worse. It is inevitable.
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I think the last time they did that here (UK) was the 1976 Olympics. Uproar etc, etc. 'Some people may find the following images upsetting' is a common quote, followed by someone shouting very loudly!
It's not hunting, it's not protection, it's something else. And I will admit to this.
But first, let me ask a question - do you like football? I really hate it. What about cowboy night at the pub? That's not for me either.
If I won a bit lottery jackpot I'd do my best to get this:
http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/tanks-2/t-34-35
I'd buy a big house, have it brought to said house (with a suitable equipped garage), and spend most of my time fixing it up. It'd be an awesome project. And how much better after it was built! I'd be able to sit in the turret making pew-pew-pew noises and maybe I'd even pay the neighbours kids to throw stones at it while I was inside to mimic the sounds of bullets bouncing off it! A proper T-34-85, the war winner. They used to have a classic T-34 with the diamond turret but it's gone now (I need to buy more lottery tickets!)
They'll never run out of T-72s though.
http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/tanks-2/t-72-42#currency=USD
There are so many of those things built, but they are supposed to be an absolute to drive.
But this does raise an interesting question - am I allowed a tank?
So although I'm not really into guns I do get it. For certain types of people there is a massive allure in weaponry. Kings and moguls throughout history have made private museums of weapons and suchlike, whether guns, knives, swords, or even aircraft and tanks. There is something really... sexy... about having such things in your possession. Maybe it harkens back to our primal beginnings. The tribe with the most power, the most strength, would have the biggest success and have the most breeding rights...
This is the why, before anyone clicks and claims I am supporting gun ownership, read the rest of the post...
The thing is this - guns are a bit of a no go. As fun as it might be to own one, and as good as it might feel to hold an AK-47 and realize you're holding an intricate yet simple device of ultimate carnage it's just way way too risky for the general public. An AK fires a hot shard of metal at over 700 meters per second. NATO weapons (with the smaller 5.56 round) fire their little shards of metal at even higher speeds. And when those pieces of metal contact human flesh they do absolutely terrible damage. They're supposed to.
The thing is, it is deceptively easy to destroy life with a gun. Indeed that is the purpose, the reason for their existence.
If I owned a tank, without shells, I might well be able to do some damage with it if I snap and go on a rampage. I could squish a few unlucky souls too slow to get out of the way. I could knock down a few buildings. I could go grand theft auto on several streets worth of lamp posts and traffic lights. I could be live on the news.
But with a gun, and a bag of clips, someone can very easily go into a crowded train station, or shopping center, or school, and before anyone had time to react snatch the lives of dozens of people in minutes. Guns are designed for that very purpose - to kill people up close and personal with speed and efficiency - nothing else is.
To allow such devices to be owned by the public is sheer madness. Not only has it turned the USA into a warzone, but it is has reduced their police force to military occupiers rather than civic servants and defenders of the public good. Because of the guns there the police NEED to be armed. But as soon as a copper takes out his gun he can either shoot, or not shoot. The situation he faces isn't one of "will I get a good kicking?" or "can I talk to this guy?" or "will back up arrive?". It's a simple binary choice, in which he or she has to choose whether or not to take a life. And when this happens with such enormous frequency (whenever a police are called to an incident) innocent lives will be taken.
But still, I want to know, can I have a tank?