General / Off-Topic Third incident in two weeks in Germany

[Becks]

Today around 16:30 local time a twentyone year old syrian refugee killed one woman and injured two people using a machete around the central bus station in Reutlingen, Baden-Württemberg, Germany.

He was ran over by a BMW driver, as he was about to attack a group of people on the other side of the road, heavily injured and arrested shortly after.

There are no reports of him screaming anything related to islamistic extremism, so please don't jump to conclusions.

The perpetrator was known to the police, for several criminal offenses, and a islamistic motive can't be excluded.

This incident, as the one in Munich, concerns me personally since I have family in Reutlingen and friends of mine witnessed the attack (none injured).

Edit: Police just stated that there's no evidence of an islamistic motive as of now. It was reported that the perpetrator had a dispute with the woman in the döner shop where it started. The machete indicates a certain degree of planning though.

 

[Minonian]

Not Islamic that's sure he just came from a different cultural environment where this sort of things are part of the everyday life. bad enough if you ask me.

 

[Patrick_68000]

I wonder how a Syrian refugee who received the generous hospitality of the Germany and who is known of the police for several criminal offenses, has not yet been expelled from the country and sent back in Syria. Perhaps he was awaiting judgment for his previous offenses ?

 

[Becks]

I wonder how a Syrian refugee who received the generous hospitality of the Germany and who is known of the police for several criminal offenses, has not yet been expelled from the country and sent back in Syria. Perhaps he was awaiting judgment for his previous offenses ?

I think there's a law preventing the deportation from refugees into non safe countries. Something which should be still done if a refugee commits several serious offenses imho.

 

[Arry]

I think there's a law preventing the deportation from refugees into non safe countries. Something which should be still done if a refugee commits several serious offenses imho.

Turkey is safe. The EU is spending billions to the country, to hold such people, (and I am talking refugees) so why not send him to Turkey, to await trail. If he is innocent, then you can process his asylum. The system, needs an over haul. Being found walking down the street; tooled up with a machete, is grounds for deportation back to a safe country.

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I wonder how a Syrian refugee who received the generous hospitality of the Germany and who is known of the police for several criminal offenses, has not yet been expelled from the country and sent back in Syria. Perhaps he was awaiting judgment for his previous offenses ?

You were getting a bit heavy last night, but this has merit. Rep you when I can.

 

[Patrick_68000]

I think there's a law preventing the deportation from refugees into non safe countries. Something which should be still done if a refugee commits several serious offenses imho.

I believe that in France, there is a debate currently, to know if we have to expel the binationals in case of recidivism (after to have purged the prison sentence, of course)

 

[Patrick_68000]

Turkey is safe. The EU is spending billions to the country, to hold such people, (and I am talking refugees) so why not send him to Turkey, to await trail. If he is innocent, then you can process his asylum. The system, needs an over haul. Being found walking down the street; tooled up with a machete, is grounds for deportation back to a safe country.

Now he is going to be certainly judged in Germany for murder and after his 20-30 years of prison, he will be perhaps expelled

 

[Lucius-Darcia]

Today around 16:30 local time a twentyone year old syrian refugee killed one woman and injured two people using a machete around the central bus station in Reutlingen, Baden-Württemberg, Germany.

He was ran over by a BMW driver, as he was about to attack a group of people on the other side of the road, heavily injured and arrested shortly after.

There are no reports of him screaming anything related to islamistic extremism, so please don't jump to conclusions.

The perpetrator was known to the police, for several criminal offenses, and a islamistic motive can't be excluded.

This incident, as the one in Munich, concerns me personally since I have family in Reutlingen and friends of mine witnessed the attack (none injured).

Edit: Police just stated that there's no evidence of an islamistic motive as of now. It was reported that the perpetrator had a dispute with the woman in the döner shop where it started. The machete indicates a certain degree of planning though.

There are every day much much more of such 'incidents'. The media isn't talking about these things so that no-one thinks that there happened a huge mistake, when we let all asyl searching people in without background-check. The cultures of the foreigners and the local peoples are very very different and every day there is another 'incident' maybe written about in some small local news. But most time if something like this happens, it will simply not reported.
The german people are afraid to the bones when the are outside. No one trusts the guy next to him, and if someone get smashed by foreign people, no one helps because the are afraid of getting killed like it several times happened.
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A group of 20 year olds beat an old guy to death, a group of 3 young men destroy a train and as someone wanted to call the police they killed him with machetes.

If now such things happen, the people run away afraid to death and the news will never report about these things happen.
No one helps anymore, you can get robbed at day on a well frequent street, no-one will help you. Markets get robbed just like we are going shopping, no-one do something against this because they are afraid. Police isn't present and they need up to half an hour before they approach. And only if someone called the police.

We are living in weird and sad times....

 

[Arry]

I believe that in France, there is a debate currently, to know if we have to expel the binationals in case of recurrence offense (having purged the prison sentence, of course)

Trouble is: Once the lawyers and the rights activists get involved, the guilty start acting like poor puppies; that have just left a puddle on the kitchen floor. It was OK where they come from and get a second, a third, chance.

I said a while ago. These individuals, ask to come to the country, in question. So why are they trying to ruin the place, that takes them in?

However: In these, difficult times; repatriation to a safe country; not of choice, unless places like Jordan are an option, has to be the only option. Even if it costs the state to move them and keep them. I am talking about charge of violence, or the conspiracy of such actions. The EU dose not really have another option, as far as new (12 months-/+) refugees are concerned. At the same time, we have second and third generation citizens, that are as much a danger, as some one sent from deash central. We need to look at ourselves, who have we unset, what is our history, has our countries history effected others. Who would be angry with our state, for killing their grand fathers?

It is the age of the pew pew.

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Now he is going to be certainly judged in Germany for murder and after his 20-30 years of prison, he will be perhaps expelled

What is the sentence, where he came from?

If what happens to him as you suggest above, then he has got off lightly.

 

[Lucius-Darcia]

I wonder how a Syrian refugee who received the generous hospitality of the Germany and who is known of the police for several criminal offenses, has not yet been expelled from the country and sent back in Syria. Perhaps he was awaiting judgment for his previous offenses ?

Because the germans don't send anyone back to their origin countrys. The can do what they want, ignoring the law several times and nothing happens. For first, it needs prove THAT they ignored the law. Mysteriously there are always about 10-20 people who can say that he didn't (of course they have the same origin).
For second, if they are yonger than 20, they get only punished like "work 20 hours for a social project and we forget about everything"
Germans send NO-ONE back only because they broke the law multiple times. That's not reason enough. For humanity and the believe that every single human just wants piece and flowers ._.

 

[Adept]

Two things.

1) The news about shool shootings inspired more school shootings, and still does. These acts of terror / mass shootings are similarily bringing about copycat acts. People who are unstable and suicidal get inspired to do these acts. Memes can be dangerous.

2) Confirmation bias and media sexyness. A killer who is a muslim or non-native in Europe (brown) will get more visibility in the news. I have read about knifings and shootings in Finland in the last week. Not on the scale of killing several but the intent was there (it's hard to kill people with a knife). I think one dead in at least two separate incidents. They get small mentions in the newspaper, and are forgotten immediately.

I'm not saying this isn't tragic and serious, but it's very easy to blow things out of proportion.

 

[Flimley]

And now an explosion in southern Germany. Unless this is old news already? as there was also a bomb blast near Nuremberg.
http://flip.it/0419e

Flimley

 

[Minonian]

We are living in weird and sad times....

How many time the current government have left?

 

[lysan]

Congratulation to Merkel, you managed to put Europe on fire for the third time in the last 100 years. However she clearly knew what she was doing when she opened the gates to the EU.

I just talked to a friend in France, and they are arming themselves seriously. Not going to end well, not at all.

 

[Minonian]

True. If they are not removing the excess migrants and brussel does not ends his idiotic politic's than hell breaks loose.

 

[FuzzySpider]

Turkey is safe. The EU is spending billions to the country, to hold such people, (and I am talking refugees) so why not send him to Turkey, to await trail. If he is innocent, then you can process his asylum. The system, needs an over haul. Being found walking down the street; tooled up with a machete, is grounds for deportation back to a safe country.

UN law on refugees. You can't return them to their nation unless it is safe to do so. And you can't just pick another country to send them to either. If you're going to recommend Turkey why not just send him to England? Or Iceland? Or even the Falklands?

Unless another country actually agrees to take refugees you are stuck with them. Some nations (such as Hungary) have dealt with it by making it extremely difficult to enter the country, then making it unbearably harsh once inside the country, then opening the border in the other direction so they can leave very easily. Consequently, both Germany and Austria are bearing the brunt of the Refugee crisis in Europe.

 

[Patrick_68000]

How many time the current government have left?

Long time ! The Germans are fanaticized by Merkel and hypnotized by the refugees --- This looks like more and more to the naivety

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Congratulation to Merkel, you managed to put Europe on fire for the third time in the last 100 years. However she clearly knew what she was doing when she opened the gates to the EU.

I just talked to a friend in France, and they are arming themselves seriously. Not going to end well, not at all.

I have always said for a long time on these forums that Merkel is irresponsible. And I have often denounced the beatitude of Germans towards refugees. Many English have understood this by voting Brexit. The Germany has always been a problem in Europe, to always want to decide for others

 

[FuzzySpider]

Long time ! The Germans are fanaticized by Merkel and hypnotized by the refugees --- This looks like more and more to the naivety

Either that, or they brave enough to not start crapping their pants whenever they see a Muslim and have a strong belief in human rights.

And it isn't the Germans who are "hypnotized" by refugees, in fact the irony in that statement would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

I am getting sick of the blatant Islamophobia, utter lack of empathy, and embarrassing lack of balls on this issue from all quarters of society, and also in the forum. How about we make a rule, a society wide rule, that only people who actually know something about this should speak to it? This is the Europol site which collects data on terrorism. The 2009 report:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/conte...2009-eu-terrorism-situation-trend-report-1471

How much terrorism in Europe was Islamic back then? 0.4% Seriously. 99.6% of all EU terrorism was not Islamic in nature, but even then when you looked at the news and read the papers you could be forgiven for believing that every Muslim and his dog had a bomb strapped to their chest.

But rather than act intelligently, our media has continued to propagandize the situation. The citizens have demanded action against something that wasn't really there. Various governments (such as France) have enacted targeted legislation and action against these groups, and a massive wedge has been driven between the two cultures.

Then, in 2012, ISIS arrives. ISIS gives young and disaffected Muslims, Muslims who feel their country being torn away from them, someone else to turn to. Treating an entire demographic as if they are terrorists is a very bad idea. Some of them may just end up turning to terrorism to fight back against it.

Terrorism will happen. Most of it, up until last year, was not Islamic. The recalcitrant separatist movements from various sections of Europe (IRA, ETA etc) were still racking up more carnage than Muslims, even though their numbers are far far less. It wasn't on the news, it wasn't even thought of. The respective governments of all our countries have learned about how to deal with terrorism - you ignore it. When you inspire fear you motivate the population to pressure the government to do something, and that is the aim of the terrorists.

But Muslims who commit terrorism? Ohhh cool! The press and 24 hour rolling press who have coca-cola to sell can run wall to wall horror stories and get everyone clicking links and glued to their TVs. That's the real hypnotizing going on here, and that's what needs to stop. Take their message away, stop helping them succeed. Treat terrorism as a crime against humanity, not as an act of war between two cultures. And then, maybe, things will improve.

Unless, of course, the ultimate aim is to remove Middle Easterners from the holy sacred ground of Europe, in which case keep it up.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Either that, or they brave enough to not start crapping their pants whenever they see a Muslim and have a strong belief in human rights.

And it isn't the Germans who are "hypnotized" by refugees, in fact the irony in that statement would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

I am getting sick of the blatant Islamophobia, utter lack of empathy, and embarrassing lack of balls on this issue from all quarters of society, and also in the forum. How about we make a rule, a society wide rule, that only people who actually know something about this should speak to it? This is the Europol site which collects data on terrorism. The 2009 report:

https://www.europol.europa.eu/conte...2009-eu-terrorism-situation-trend-report-1471

How much terrorism in Europe was Islamic back then? 0.4% Seriously. 99.6% of all EU terrorism was not Islamic in nature, but even then when you looked at the news and read the papers you could be forgiven for believing that every Muslim and his dog had a bomb strapped to their chest.

But rather than act intelligently, our media has continued to propagandize the situation. The citizens have demanded action against something that wasn't really there. Various governments (such as France) have enacted targeted legislation and action against these groups, and a massive wedge has been driven between the two cultures.

Then, in 2012, ISIS arrives. ISIS gives young and disaffected Muslims, Muslims who feel their country being torn away from them, someone else to turn to. Treating an entire demographic as if they are terrorists is a very bad idea. Some of them may just end up turning to terrorism to fight back against it.

Terrorism will happen. Most of it, up until last year, was not Islamic. The recalcitrant separatist movements from various sections of Europe (IRA, ETA etc) were still racking up more carnage than Muslims, even though their numbers are far far less. It wasn't on the news, it wasn't even thought of. The respective governments of all our countries have learned about how to deal with terrorism - you ignore it. When you inspire fear you motivate the population to pressure the government to do something, and that is the aim of the terrorists.

But Muslims who commit terrorism? Ohhh cool! The press and 24 hour rolling press who have coca-cola to sell can run wall to wall horror stories and get everyone clicking links and glued to their TVs. That's the real hypnotizing going on here, and that's what needs to stop. Take their message away, stop helping them succeed. Treat terrorism as a crime against humanity, not as an act of war between two cultures. And then, maybe, things will improve.

Unless, of course, the ultimate aim is to remove Middle Easterners from the holy sacred ground of Europe, in which case keep it up.

And the compassion for the Germans killed and wounded, you have expressed ? (I do not read your post. Too long and always the same bla bla). Go deliver your prose to victims

 

[Sunleader]

Well at least this time there seems to be a Chance that it was actually terrorism.
I doubt its an ISIS work. As the Person apparently was Denied Asylum and tried several times to kill himself which was prevented by German Authority Rescuing him.
So it seems to be more likely that it was an act of Terrorism for Personal Reasons.



And no.
I am sorry to tell you. But Hell wont Break Lose.
Yesterday again 2-3 People got Murdered by someone not in the News just like Everyday.
And Yesterday again 5-6 People Died in a Car Accident just like Everyday and nobody cares.