General / Off-Topic Third incident in two weeks in Germany
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Angela Merkel is doing a fantastic job keeping the German borders open and indiscriminately accepting millions of immigrants from the Middle-East.
Irresponsible and I think it's criminal for the peoples of Europe
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Minonian
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It wont. Because it cant' happen two times, and it already did.
I want to stop such killing and wounding. You want to perpetuate it.
Maybe you should read more long and complex assessments rather than getting your information from short and snappy soundbites.
From what I've thus far read he was a refugee who was going to be returned to Syria but was really intent on staying away. Rather than return he decided to make a statement that would be heard.
Very typically terrorist, however this is the very first time a genuine refugee has committed an act of terror due to being a refugee, and presents a worrying development. There are apparently now so many of them they have a political ideology and identity. A "nation of refugees", if you will.
We need to be more proactive about Syria and make it relatively safe again before this gets worse.
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verminstar
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Angela Merkel is doing a fantastic job keeping the German borders open and indiscriminately accepting millions of immigrants from the Middle-East.
They should roll out the red carpet and have a brass band playing to welcome them in...can assure ye they will most certainly not receive such a warm welcome here. If they were genuine refugees fleeing a war torn country, then we will open the soup kitchens, but the problem is that many coming in are not refugees at all, they are immigrants who are mingling with the refugees in their latest effort to get to where they want to go.
I hope germany comes to their senses before things start getting nasty, but I fear it may already be too late for them...they can thank Merkel fer that one. Unless the politicians start taking a much tougher stance, then I fear this will not end well as more and more people start taking the law into their own hands. The french are already doing this with some beginning to arm themselves...(I got an uncle living in France)
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This is the problem. When the right wing brain is scared statiatics are meaningless. The anecdote and feeling rules. Ot doesn't matter that Islamic terror is a minor factor, what matters is that Islamic terror exists at all and it's terrifying.
Also "they have lots of children (in the first generation) so they will multiply and bring Sharia law!"
Sigh...
Minonian
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You are right about this. It doesn't matter because it's a factor we can close out, and it's a factor what otherwise is non existent in Europe, unless we bring in ourselves.
And only a fool creates himself, and the others a problem what he don't have.
Do the principle of "In Dubio pro Reo" and the multilateral international treaties and laws on refugees mean anything to you?
Minonian
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Rather let run 100 guilty than condemn one innocent? Not in this case. Terrorism and religious fanaticism is too much of a threat to take account any of it what you mentioned above.
And i don't just talk about the deaths. The real threat its the stability of our world. You can't compromise it in this level. Not, if you have any other choice.
You know how much what we can take this problem without seriously endangering or world? About 1/10 - th 1/5 th of the current load.
Thats all what we can do.
We can let them in, but not this much! And not without some serious alertness.
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Not really.
I am living in Germany.
And guess what. The Streets are Calm. People Life their Lifes as usual.
Just like your Average Car Accident there was a Commotion and the Police Cleaned up and looked what happened.
Nothing out of the Ordinary.
The only Difference is that when 1 Guy loses Control over his Car and Rams it into an Restaurant killing 3 People (injuring 10) this will be covered in the News for 1 Day and then everyone Forgets about it.
If some Lunatic with an Machete Runs Amok killing 1 Person and Inuring 5 its going to be in the Media for 2 weeks.
If some Maniac Blows himself up even if he didnt Kill anyone its going to be in the News for 3 Months I guess.
My Respect to the Guy who Ran over that Lunatic with the Machete by the way. Good Job. But aside from that not much happening.
if 10 Dead People in one Week are enough for you to consider Hell Breaking lose. I wonder how you have Survived Hell over the last 20 years. Given that we have 10 Deaths per Day from alone from Traffic Incidents.
They had an Political Ideology for Years.
Doing actions and wanting better Rights and Treatment.
If we want to stop this we would need to stop shunning them into small Rooms where we have em wait till they have a Mental Breakdown.
I doubt we can do much about Syria unfortunately. Stopping a War is not exactly an easy Task. Even more so when your a Third Party not Directly Involved in the Conflict.
The one thing we could do would be Smash ISIS. But this wont happen by Sending 500 Soldiers with Aircraft.
If we seriously wanted to bring down ISIS we would need to Send 2-3 Division of Soldiers (50.000) including Heavy Weapons and Machinery to Conquer and Occupy the Entire Territory for Years until the Terrorism Ideas have been Eradicated.
But no Country wants to Pull this much Costs. So we will Continue doing Minimalistik effort which will never bring this Situation under Control.
Such is the way of Capitalism.
"In Dubio pro Reo." means "In doubt for the accussed" and is one of the fundamental principles of our society. If you start to undermine this principle, you're undermining the basis of your justice system and one of your most basic rights, the right of a fair trial.
If you start discriminating minorities by abolishing this basic rights for them, you'll lose the very same basic right for you sooner or later, too.
Islamistic terrorism is a threat of the stability of our world? The same thing was said about the RAF and the stability of Germany. Or the IRA and the stability of the UK. In the end they weren't, on the opposite, they only strengthened the current system, since they became a public enemy very soon.
The islam won't become a majority in Europe in any of our lifetimes, nor will we suddenly wake up one day and live under sharia law.
Btw, domestic terrorists are far more dangerous than the ones who can come with the refugees. If you really want to minimize the threat of terrorism you have to prosecute them and not generalize refugees.
He Suggest to leave Refugees stopped in the Mediterean Sea and not let them Ashore even if it means they Drown.
So I dont think he gives a wet one about Human Rights or Humanitarian Laws unless he is the one whose Rights are Hurt.
Sending troops into Syria is a very bad idea and won't solve the conflict. Too much fronts and too much participants to clearly determine who's the enemy and who's not.
Take Afghanistan and Iraq as example.
Minonian
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Darling? Your mistake is there are no accusation, or doubt, generalizing. The simple truth? Whatever their intentions are in this much number they are representing a serious problem.
The house is full Thats all!
And btw? Did you know the bomber by judicial decree meant to be deported, and despite this he was still there after a years or more, this is why this otrage can happen?
Germany are not just let run the innocent, but the guilty too.
Did you know, the ax amok runner only registered in hungary, and no one else given a damn?
This is what's really going on... You let them in the worst, without a second tough!
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You dont determine who is right and who is Wrong.
You go in and take Control.
This was actually done Right in Afgahnistan. (Iraq never had such a Problem to begin with. Bush just made up Rubbish and Invaded it for the Oil)
The thing which was done Wrong. Was what came after this.
The Countries Withdrew their Armies and handed back Control to Local Authorities right away.
Most of which were still part of the Old System and heavily Corrupted.
Moreover they did not even leave enough Forces to even do an most Basic Control of the Area to make sure the Terrorists would not just Build up their Army Again.
If you just Reinstate the Local Police which is Half part of the Terrorists to begin with. And then Withdraw your own Troops leaving this Police alone. While you only sit there in a few Bases.
Then its Logical that in the Cities and Areas where NOT A SINGLE Soldier ever looks aside from maybe doing a Patrol once in 3 Months. These Forces will start Growing again.
If you want to Bring down Terrorism. You cannot do that.
You have to Take Control of the Entire Area.
And Occupy it. Meaning that the entire Policing etc in this Area needs to be under Tight Control of non Local Forces which are not Part of the Corrupted System and which Crack down on Terrorism and Hostile Forces while in the Backround you Rebuild Local Police Forces from Scratch and under Tight Supervision to make sure they aint Corrupted.
Current Situation in Afgahnistan is.
That alot of the Police is on the Side of the Terrorists and Ignores them.
The Nato Forces only Control the Cities for maybe 10 Days a Year.
While the Terrorists are the Ruling Party for 330 Days a Year.
Moreover if you dont swear Allegiance to the Terrorists you.ll be Killed.
While the Nato Forces dont care as long as you dont run around with a Gun.
Its easy to see that this cannot work.
But as I said.
No Country is ready to Invest this kind of Effort and Money into an Far Away Country.
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No its not Full.
There is quite a bit of Space to be honest.
And lol.
So let me gather.
30 out of 3 Million People made Trouble.
So your Suggestion is to let 2 Million 999 Thousand 970 People Die to Prevent these 30 from doing Trouble
Just so you know.
Closing the Borders is the Best Advertising for ISIS they can Get.
Because for the guys Fleeing here this Means.
Well we dont want you in Europe. So you can Join ISIS or you can Die.
Take a Guess what they are going to do if this is the Choice you give them
Minonian
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Some risks are just too great to take.
If you don't belíve me, than ask the citizens of Pripyat or as we refer into? Chernobyl. Germany, and France already destabilized because the migrant Crysis and terrorism. The calm? Is just the surface, what's going on the deep what matters.
If you don't belíve me, than ask the citizens of Pripyat or as we refer into? Chernobyl. Germany, and France already destabilized because the migrant Crysis and terrorism. The calm? Is just the surface, what's going on the deep what matters.
Destabilized ????
Ehm Mate no Offense but are in Germany right now ?
Know what I am going to Work completely Normal this evening. And Nobody will even Mention this.
Heck my Mother doesnt Watch News in TV so if I were to ask her now. She would likely not even know what I am talking about
So I am Sorry. But Germany and France are Perfectly Stable. No Riots in the Streets (Well in France there are Riots about the Worker Rights being Cut down by the Government ^^) but nothing due to Terrorism.
Sorry to Burst your Bubble. But I fear it will take way more for Germany and France to be Destabilized.
I dont know what your Propaganda over there Says. But Living here. I can tell you its Perfectly Stable and Safe to Walk on the Streets.
Well Perfectly Safe maybe not. Given that there is an fairly High Risk to be Killed in a Traffic Accident.
Pls stop making an Elephant out of Mosquito.
Also Mate.
There is something you call Approriate Measure.
Sending ISIS 3 Million Recruits to prevent 30 People from having a Mental Break Down. Is not really an measure thats Approriate Scale for the Problem.
What your Suggesting is that we Nuke New Orleans because that guy with his Saxophone is annoying the Neighborhood.
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It's not full. From an economic perspective Germany could take one or two million more before we come even close to the border of the budget.
The suicide bomber could not be deported back to Syria, since it's not considered a safe country. I haven't heard anything about him being known to the poice for other crimes or infractions.
The axe attacker was taken in by a german family, so I'm pretty sure he was registered here, too.
Those are two out of one and a half million. Both were not radicalized when they came here, both were considered as very friendly and inconspicuous.
I agree that refugees who broke the law multiple times or commited heavy crimes should either be deported back to Syria, even if it's considered not safe, or should be send to prison here.
I agree completely that the refugee status does not give anyone any special rights or enables someone to break the law without consequences.
I don't agree, that I should view every other refugee as a criminal because one is a criminal.
And I honestly don't see how Prypiat or Chernobyl can be compared to the current situation.
The Bomber guy was Violent a few Times when he tried to take his own Life and the Police and other Caretakers Prevented him from it.
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