Minonian
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General / Off-Topic Third incident in two weeks in Germany
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And you want us to adapt, or rather avoid the whole mess?
You misunderstood me.
Israel has adapted to counter the threat, not to the islamic culture.
The same thing will happen in Europe should islamic terrorism or terrorism in general ever be a threat to our society.
But in France we know very well about what we speak since the beginning of 1990s. We know the islamists (between 300 000 and 500 000 in France, on 5 million of musulmans). And we are wary of this kind of people. We prohibit the burqa, the veil at the school, the proselytism, the minarets on the mosques, Tariq Ramadan and all these islamist fanatics. We bombard in the Syria, in the Iraq, in the Mali all these islamo- -fachiste and there is a few days, the president Holland decided to send to Irak a few artillery pieces to bombard them even more.
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Minonian
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No I'm not misuderstood you, you don't understand my point.
Which is the better? To adapt to it, or avoid the whole mess? and
Act like a grown up, instead of a child, whom plays with the fire, until he burns himself?
I say, for a grown up, the other's example must be enough to understand what's they are playing with.
Sorry.
But if you want Europe to take a Threat Seriously. It has to become an Serious Threat.
And Sorry.
But 10 Dead a Year just doesnt Cut it.
Right now the Threat of being Killed by Angry Bees is way Bigger than being Killed by a Terrorist.
Heck being Crushed by your own Furniture falling Over is more Dangerous than Terrorists right now.
There is no Terrorist Threat. There is Terrorists which are Weak and Desperate in the Face of an Overwhelmingly Superior Power which they stand no Chance against.
They are like an small Dog Cornered by an Lion. They Bark and Bite like Crazy even tough they know that their Teeth can barely Penetrate the Skin of the Lion. But they do it anyways because they Hope the Lion will somehow be scared enough to let off of them.
But if you want Europe to take a Threat Seriously. It has to become an Serious Threat.
And Sorry.
But 10 Dead a Year just doesnt Cut it.
Right now the Threat of being Killed by Angry Bees is way Bigger than being Killed by a Terrorist.
Heck being Crushed by your own Furniture falling Over is more Dangerous than Terrorists right now.
There is no Terrorist Threat. There is Terrorists which are Weak and Desperate in the Face of an Overwhelmingly Superior Power which they stand no Chance against.
They are like an small Dog Cornered by an Lion. They Bark and Bite like Crazy even tough they know that their Teeth can barely Penetrate the Skin of the Lion. But they do it anyways because they Hope the Lion will somehow be scared enough to let off of them.
Minonian
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To avoid it ... We're living in a time of Globalization and the Internet. If you still think you can 'avoid' terrorism in your country by locking refugees and muslims out then I'm sorry to burst your bubble. You can not.
What you're advocating is an inefficient, unflexibel way of solving an incredible exxagerated problem.
If we follow your methods we WILL reach there, that's the point.
The way to prevent terrorism is to minimize its impact, make it worthless. A way to have fewer terrorists is to not mistreat the population that the terrorists seem to be coming from, stop giving validating the message of the terrorists.
Minonian
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If you think this is what i'm talking about than you got it all wrong!
To stop the problem before our borders is not mistreatment.
To kick out someone whom already expelled, is not mistreatment.
To expel the criminals, the madman's, the fanatic's are not mistreatment.
To keep an eye in the newcomers is not mistreatment.
To think twice whom we let in is not mistreatment.
To keep the refugees within camps with conditions, worthy of human begins is not mistreatment.
To take terrorism seriously is not mistreatment.
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Ignoring that there's a far greater threat from domestic terrorists than from foreign.
And ignoring that the terrorists don't necessarily need to come with the refugees.
Congratulation you prevented ... absolutely nothing.
Minonian
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10 victim or 100? it does matter! And this is why, our borders must be locked tighter.
Minonian
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No?
Most of the terrorists are migrants or their descendants. Dont tell me, if we stop the most problematic ones before our borders, and help the remaining ones, to integrate into our society, i reached nothing.
To prevent illegal immigration completely you would need to shut yourself off like North Korea. And then you couldn't keep the standard of living you have.
The USA is a great example how good border walls work against illegal immigrants.
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Only in the past 3 or 4 years maybe. Before that almost all terrorism was home-grown.
There is a reason that Islamic terrorism has become more and more frequent, and it has nothing to do with actual Islam.
Minonian
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Again.. Numbers! There is a difference of adequate and inadequate safety. And it's the number of victims, and the fact it's remains below the society stress bearing limit, or surpasses it?
And once again! As far, the Eu did not kick out the expelled migrants, like the last bomber? He did not even perform the most basic of the safety measures.
Due to international law and valueing the international agreements on refugees which prohibit expelling refugees into non safe countries like Syria.
Even if you would degenerate these laws to be able to kick out criminal immigrants and refugees, the last bomber wouldn't be included since he had no criminal record apart from his three suicide attempts.
Are hundred or a thousand dead in a year enough to shut your country off from the world?
The vast majority of people fleeing the warzones of the world come looking for safety and help.
Will you turn away thousands of people, condemning them to death, to save a dozen or so white western lives?
If so we can't really claim any moral high ground over ISIS can we? We're just as bad.
Minonian
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Are we?
They are intentionally killing people, we do what we can, but also respecting our load bearing capacity.
It's not the same. Not at all!
@ Becks! The international laws not making it impossible, to use better control, and also not saying we can't kick out proven bad guys.
The ones we are talking about? Not innocent!
They are intentionally killing people, we do what we can, but also respecting our load bearing capacity.
It's not the same. Not at all!
@ Becks! The international laws not making it impossible, to use better control, and also not saying we can't kick out proven bad guys.
The ones we are talking about? Not innocent!
In dubio pro Reo ^^
Minonian
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Yeah i already got this. Too serious, to not act.
Now we are just running circles.
Edit; You know who Breivik right? Such threat cannot be allowed to walk and talk freely.
And the threat represented by terrorism is high and serious enough to justify harder measures. Just a few dead man? Are you boys seriously saying while we just talking 10 or 100 mans whom the government directly responsible for, its ok to not even try minimalise the risk?
Such government does not fulfill his duty, and take care of his own people.
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