General / Off-Topic Two IS terrorists walk into a church in France and kill the priest.

[Oddball]

It just gets worse....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36892785

Reuters have confirmed that the two Muslim men claimed support for Islamic State.

 

[verminstar]

Another sad truth being that the moment ye start complaining, ye immediately set yerself up to be called racist and xenophobic...according to that mindset, we should ignore the problems, turn the other cheek and console ourselves with the "fact" that falling furniture in the home is more dangerous anyway.

Well...in a nice leafy suburb maybe well away from where any flashpoint might be, that would make perfect sense. It's the same as someone rubbishing the claims that traffic congestion is all in our imagination in a city center, while they live out in the countryside. I dare say that were they directly affected by the crisis, their opinions would be somewhat different...very easy to judge others while sitting in an ivory tower ^^

 

[Minonian]

As far things like this can happen things aren't normal, and try to do something about it, is not racism.

 

[Adept]

It's contagious. Teen suicide attempts work just like this. Currently depressed and deranged people are getting the idea that the thing to do is "terrorism". This too will pass.

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Another thought. ISIS would like nothing better than to create a clash-of-cultures or some religious conflict between Europe and the Muslim world. What we need to do is not let them succeed.

 

[verminstar]

No, but others will argue that it is...I would go as far as saying that it's not the extremists that are the real problem...the real problem appears to be much closer to home methinks. If we were agreed and united, this wouldn't be an issue, but we are more divided in opinions than ever before and that is why this will continue to get worse and worse until they are forced into acting ^^

Personally speaking...if anyone, muslim or otherwise, comes anywhere near anything or anyone I hold dear, I can assure you I will not be turning the other cheek.

Edit...my daughter just txt me that the story unfolding in France is that they beheaded the priest? She has a penfriend in France and they chitter away to each other...I'm unable to check cos I'm out and about all over the place today and you guys speak french whereas I don't...is that confirmed?

 

[Minonian]

For that you must medicate the problem.

Talking about it don't work, and only lead to racism.
Denying it, and say there is no problem, we can take it we can resist it also useless.

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Personally speaking...if anyone, muslim or otherwise, comes anywhere near anything or anyone I hold dear, I can assure you I will not be turning the other cheek.

Neither me. I do about it, if i can, and remove the problem if i must, but i rather resolve it if its possible.

 

[Patrick_68000]

This attack has been claimed by the Islamic state

 

[Adept]

If a kid in Finland went on a school shooting spree and shouted Allahu Akbar while doing it, the Islamic State would claim it was their doing. Regardless of whether the kid was a muslim, had anything to do with ISIS etc etc.

ISIS claiming responsibility means nothing these days.

 

[Stigbob]

The biggest problem with attacks like this is that they are an opportunity for idiots to worsen the problem. An unthinking xenophobic or bigoted response blaming an entire community creates perfect conditions for a self worsening issue (like the Trump Mexican border maneuver).

1 Treat all Muslims badly because of attacks like this.
2 This makes for more angry alienated Muslims.
3 The angry alienated Muslims carry out more attacks like this.
4 Go to 1

And so on for generation after generation (as happened in Northern Ireland with two branches of Christianity), the problem is individuals not any section of any community/religion.

Bigotry is guaranteed to worsen this.

 

[Minonian]

If a kid in Finland went on a school shooting spree and shouted Allahu Akbar while doing it, the Islamic State would claim it was their doing. Regardless of whether the kid was a muslim, had anything to do with ISIS etc etc.

ISIS claiming responsibility means nothing these days.

For that, it's still Islamic terrorism whenever their doing or not?

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1 Treat all Muslims badly because of attacks like this.
2 This makes for more angry alienated Muslims.
3 The angry alienated Muslims carry out more attacks like this.
4 Go to 1
s.

That's the problem.
They are not all the same they are not all meant problem, they are not all equally big problem.
All you can do is to filter out, and remove the worst of of it, and treat the treatable part. That drops the tensions.
But make no mistake this problem must be dealt with.

 

[Adept]

The biggest problem with attacks like this is that they are an opportunity for idiots to worsen the problem. An unthinking xenophobic or bigoted response blaming an entire community creates perfect conditions for a self worsening issue (like the Trump Mexican border maneuver).

1 Treat all Muslims badly because of attacks like this.
2 This makes for more angry alienated Muslims.
3 The angry alienated Muslims carry out more attacks like this.
4 Go to 1

And so on for generation after generation (as happened in Northern Ireland with two branches of Christianity), the problem is individuals not any section of any community/religion.

Bigotry is guaranteed to worsen this.

And it is exactly what groups like ISIS are trying to achieve. Those who go along are getting played.

 

[Patrick_68000]

The biggest problem with attacks like this is that they are an opportunity for idiots to worsen the problem. An unthinking xenophobic or bigoted response blaming an entire community creates perfect conditions for a self worsening issue (like the Trump Mexican border maneuver).

1 Treat all Muslims badly because of attacks like this.
2 This makes for more angry alienated Muslims.
3 The angry alienated Muslims carry out more attacks like this.
4 Go to 1

And so on for generation after generation (as happened in Northern Ireland with two branches of Christianity), the problem is individuals not any section of any community/religion.

Bigotry is guaranteed to worsen this.

It is for these reasons that in the France, the calls for the national unity are frequent between the different communities.

 

[Patrick_68000]

That's the problem.
They are not all the same they are not all meant problem, they are not all equally big problem.
All you can do is to filter out, and remove the worst of of it, and treat the treatable part. That drops the tensions.
But make no mistake this problem must be dealt with.

Yes approximately, there is 10% of islamists and islamist radicals in France. In France there are 5 million of Muslims approximately. Between 5% and 10% are islamists. An islamist is a Muslim who wants that the Islam is erected like political religion (what is impossible in a country Laic as the France). And in these 5%-10% of islamists, there is 1%-2% of radical islamists who advocate the violence.
Undoubtedly, these 5-10% of islamist "Muslims" must be monitored. For the remaining (90-95%), no problem, they are subject to the law of the republic. And the Islam comes after the republic.

 

[Patrick_68000]

There is a few month before the attack, one of the two terrorists was placed under electronic bracelet in expectation of a trial for "criminal association in relation with a terrorist enterprise".

 

[shreddog]

Mass immigration is the cause of this. And it's going to get worse. When will people realise this..

It's not just ISIS attacks.. Crime has skyrocketed. s, murders, thefts, violence, fraud. Europe is gradually becoming more and more like the third world.

I linked this video on a different site a few weeks ago. Was called a racist. I don't care what they call me, I'm worried about the future.

[video=youtube_share;UD7UA1d-WnA]https://youtu.be/UD7UA1d-WnA[/video]

 

[Yaffle]

I think that's enough. Closing, then cleanup.