UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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This is why I've never joined Canonn, didn't want people setting false expectations, especially when things like UA bombing jacques is on the agenda ;)

PS @ LZ, can't rep your posts at the moment, so have a truckie scone

@ Riz, Good man :) At least the low-hanging fruit is being picked. And yes, totally agree the sphere could be the UA shell.

Om nom - ta :) Here's a strawberry cheesecake. Individual one of course :)

And oh you could've done that anyway mate. There's some pretty shady characters over here.

For example, I can't talk about whatever role I might or might not have had in Palin's kidnap.

He sang like a canary though.
 
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Okay - perhaps I missed that - I didn't ask for it, but if people see me that way, then I'll be more careful to be supportive in future.

Please all accept my apologies.

It's all good - great power and all that jibber jabber ;)
Just someone listen to the flippin' video and write down the morse for me!!
Pretty please - there'll be biscuits.
 
It should be noted that MB only said the theory was testable not that it was correct,

What I am curious about is why we havent found "wild" unknown probes yet as I would think that even if rare someone would have stumbled upon one by chance if they were in a shell like the Unknown Artefacts or in a core system, this leads me to believe that one of the following must be true if they are present in the game

1) We can make an unknown probe by doing something to an unknown artefact. I think this unlikely but worth pursuing

2) They can not be found as a signal source and instead are located somewhere in normal space in the Merope system (as they are more sensitive to location than the Unknown Artefacts as they point out a planet as opposed to a star) or are located in the Merope System a great distance from the star

3) Rather than being found in a shell they can be found in their origin system or on a line from Merope to their Origin System
 
I quoted it!!! :S

Ah now I see, am a bit sleepy after lunch & gardening. But sorry I have misinterpreted your words, to me "Thargoid playground in the Pleiades" means a bit different to "a system that has been linked to Thargoid activity in Elite lore"

as I said, the only thing I seem to remember is that a Thargoid ship was lost after a battle in the Pleaides, but I can't remember where that came from.
 
Sorry if I've missed something - how do you define success and failure above? Is it that one signal contains additional detail/info?

Do you have a list of the tests already performed before the UP was lost? (i.e. system, location in system, number of Cmdrs, present, their ships, their ranks etc.)

Success is defined by the loudness of the bars at the start of the probe's transmission. In a "success" or "hot", it's very recognizable, in a "failure" or "cold", it's faint.

We haven't been able to determine anything from our testing with regards to what conditions you can get a "success" other than it's there. We lost our probe on our 4th test, so until we get another, we have nothing concrete.
 
Hold on - I like this - but why would it be so important to centre on 5C?

Outside of the Merope system, a sphere centred around a planet doesn't mean anything right?

I know it very well, it is pointing specifically at Merope 5c :D
But if that is for another reason? I mean, message and pointing are two different things it does, perhaps?
Outside Merope system it is still pointing to Merope, like the UA ;)

WHAT IF, FOR THIS SUPPOSED SPECIE, MEROPE IS THEIR POLAR STAR?
And we have to use it as a ZERO? A REFERENCE?

Everybody here's looking for a reference to understand the drawing...
 
Okay - perhaps I missed that - I didn't ask for it, but if people see me that way, then I'll be more careful to be supportive in future.

Please all accept my apologies.

No need to apologies. I think everyone appreciates the continued leadership that you and few others are giving.
 
Are you kidding? :D
I did a thousand tests in Aries Dark Region GW-W D1-52 with my UP and a free floater, before discovering the HONK THING.

ANYWAY:

We are able to found THAT SYSTEM, we have the message!
Like others have already said, the SPHERE in the spectrogram could be the UA SHELL.

1) The UA was sent do discover other life forms and to report about them: it discovered US and our technology (our ships)
2) the UP then was sent to tell us where the FIRST CONTACT will occur

Remember?

http://i.imgur.com/bV99bBE.jpg

We'd just need to figure out the reference points... the axis through 0,0 could point at the galactic center. Or "up" in relation to the galactic plane. Or somewhere else. It's ambigous - but I like the general idea.
 
It should be noted that MB only said the theory was testable not that it was correct,

What I am curious about is why we havent found "wild" unknown probes yet as I would think that even if rare someone would have stumbled upon one by chance if they were in a shell like the Unknown Artefacts or in a core system, this leads me to believe that one of the following must be true if they are present in the game

1) We can make an unknown probe by doing something to an unknown artefact. I think this unlikely but worth pursuing

2) They can not be found as a signal source and instead are located somewhere in normal space in the Merope system (as they are more sensitive to location than the Unknown Artefacts as they point out a planet as opposed to a star) or are located in the Merope System a great distance from the star

3) Rather than being found in a shell they can be found in their origin system or on a line from Merope to their Origin System

Ohhh my god I think that's it. The circle is the UA bubble, as people have suggested. Are the symbols outside of the bubble representitive of nearby nebulae? Or maybe one of them even marks humanity's region of space?

And maybe it's all centered on Merope because it has so many barnacles in it, and the aliens have a vested interest in them, but are too scared by all the Commanders and Federal ships to come grab them.
 
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Some thoughts on the purpose of the UAs.

There seems to be a common theory that purpose of the UAs is to send information to recipients unknown. This may well be the case. But why use a code that is so easily understood by us? It uses an ancient human code easily decipherable by anyone with knowledge of human communications from the 19th century. While alien species may know morse code it seems most likely to be intended to be received by those who can trace their culture back at least this far.

It seems very likely that there is a message intended for us even if messages are also being sent to others.

When first encountered the UAs broadcast their location in a manner we could understand. This is the UA saying: "I know where I am!"

When UA behaviour changed it broadcast a representation of our ships. This is the UA saying: "I know you are here and what you look like!"

So when we encounter a UA it knows both where it is and who (at least down to ship type) it has encountered. It may well be sending this information to others. But most importantly it is letting us know that it is has this information.

So the question I pose is why does the UA tell us that it knows where it is and that it can see us?
don't know the answer to your question, but FYI in the 34th Century Morse code is known as Federation Blink code
 
So, if it points to a system/planet in the shell, how can it do it ?

  • Distance/angle/angle
  • System name
  • Planet schematic drawing (but then how do you find the right system XD).

On the + side, we have an origin with merope (5c).
 
I know it very well, it is pointing specifically at Merope 5c :D
But if that is for another reason? I mean, message and pointing are two different things it does, perhaps?
Outside Merope system it is still pointing to Merope, like the UA ;)

WHAT IF, FOR THIS SUPPOSED SPECIE, MEROPE IS THEIR POLAR STAR?
And we have to use it as a ZERO? A REFERENCE?

Everybody here's looking for a reference to understand the drawing...

Unfortunately Merope is at the centre of the Sphere... So it would be the core. That's like hitting the blackball on the gyros!!!
 
So logically, the convoys are getting the probe from somewhere. Wherever that somewhere is, is depicted by the image in the probe. Could the image represent either the entire specific system, or the actual system in relation to the UA ring which is the outside perimeter on the image?
 
A while ago (in thread 7) someone overlaid the image over the galactic map. Used the 2 lines to point to the white clouds outside our galaxy I think and the radius line pointed to Jaques. Maybe we look in a line between Merope and Jaques?
 
So logically, the convoys are getting the probe from somewhere. Wherever that somewhere is, is depicted by the image in the probe. Could the image represent either the entire specific system, or the actual system in relation to the UA ring which is the outside perimeter on the image?

So why not hit a convoy, steal it's UP, then someone not in the fight follow them afterwards to see if they go back for another one...
 
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