UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[LordZoltan]

I know it very well, it is pointing specifically at Merope 5c
But if that is for another reason? I mean, message and pointing are two different things it does, perhaps?
Outside Merope system it is still pointing to Merope, like the UA

WHAT IF, FOR THIS SUPPOSED SPECIE, MEROPE IS THEIR POLAR STAR?
And we have to use it as a ZERO? A REFERENCE?

Everybody here's looking for a reference to understand the drawing...

Yeah, I agree, there's something there about that. That's an interesting thought, too - does Merope 5C have a true pole star? Not very likely, but possible...

Or perhaps it's just somewhere else in the Merope system.

Or... if the circle does represent the shell, we simply need to know from which orientation we should be looking at it. What does it look like from Sol's vantage point, for example - and do the quadrants line up with anything in particular?

I don't think there's anything new in any of that - I am aware a lot of people have all said the same thing at different times.

 

[Belthize]

Remember?

http://i.imgur.com/bV99bBE.jpg

That image keeps getting posted and there is admittedly a geometric attraction to it but it has several problems

• There's no orientation reference to set rotation angles or reference to set a distance so it can be used to describe every point in the universe
• There's redundancy in the interpretation. The ~140 degree angle and two lines are used to describe the same angle. There's no need for that. You've already limited the surface to the bubble and you know the angle (30 degrees).
• It's ignored 2 of the 4 image artifacts (technically 3 of the 4 from the above redundancy).
• The lat long lines make more sense as a patch slightly offset from the equator not a pole

It may well be a thing but it needs work if it's to point at anything specific.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Are you kidding?
I did a thousand tests in Aries Dark Region GW-W D1-52 with my UP and a free floater, before discovering the HONK THING.

ANYWAY:

We are able to found THAT SYSTEM, we have the message!
Like others have already said, the SPHERE in the spectrogram could be the UA SHELL.

1) The UA was sent do discover other life forms and to report about them: it discovered US and our technology (our ships)
2) the UP then was sent to tell us where the FIRST CONTACT will occur

Remember?

http://i.imgur.com/bV99bBE.jpg

BUT
why do UPs always point to Merope5C? This behaviour does not make any sense if the solution to the sonogram picture is somewhere in the UA shell with Merope as the centre. The UP would then more logically point to the Merope star, just like UAs do.

 

[kozality]

The UA reports back on ships we know of. The UP seems to have planetary data. It is looking for something that matches its template?

This is just me speculating, but here's my take.

* The UAs are deployed in a sphere because they're searching for something. They're scanning ships looking to see if one matches.
* There's an (alien) ship down somewhere in the vicinity of Merope. This could be in the system, or in a neighboring one.
* The UPs are scanning the area (triggers by players now as well) and trying to triangulate a transmitted signal (which shows in the "success" message) which we perceive in the form of audio.
* By moving the probes around and triggering their scan, we could accelerate their search and perform the triangulation ourselves

 

[Tath]

Sys / Eng / Weapon / Reset produce a different sound when activated. Could that be relevant at all responding to a Probe? Change power levels in reply? Playing a tune like Close Encounters of the Third Kind?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ey_pSRBV0

 

[BluWolve]

Are you kidding?
I did a thousand tests in Aries Dark Region GW-W D1-52 with my UP and a free floater, before discovering the HONK THING.

ANYWAY:

We are able to found THAT SYSTEM, we have the message!
Like others have already said, the SPHERE in the spectrogram could be the UA SHELL.

1) The UA was sent do discover other life forms and to report about them: it discovered US and our technology (our ships)
2) the UP then was sent to tell us where the FIRST CONTACT will occur

Remember?

http://i.imgur.com/bV99bBE.jpg

I personally agree with what you are saying here I think if I understand except for one difference. In my theory the sphere isn't the shell, it is merope 5C. I cant work it out exactly but i the sphere just reminds me of the surface map, and the UP points to the planet so it has to have some significance in my opinion.

 

[thebraus]

I know it very well, it is pointing specifically at Merope 5c
But if that is for another reason? I mean, message and pointing are two different things it does, perhaps?
Outside Merope system it is still pointing to Merope, like the UA

WHAT IF, FOR THIS SUPPOSED SPECIE, MEROPE IS THEIR POLAR STAR?
And we have to use it as a ZERO? A REFERENCE?

Everybody here's looking for a reference to understand the drawing...

Have we tried using 5C as the zero point and laying the imagone on that? Maybe the lines match up with the stars in the system. Sorry if this has been done, but a LOT of information is in these 8 threads.

 

[Muetdhiver]

Unfortunately Merope is at the centre of the Sphere... So it would be the core. That's like hitting the blackball on the gyros!!!

Not quite :

• It could be a galactic coordinate system, defined my merope/galactic core instead of solar system/galactic core. Good thing here is that we got the zeros for the two angles.
• The two other possibilities would be equatorial or ecliptic coordinates. Harder to find what the zero angles would be*, but tied to merope 5c instead of just merope.

 

[rizal72]

That image keeps getting post and there is admittedly a geometric attraction to it but it has several problems

• There's no orientation reference to set the angle or reference to set a distance so it can be used to describe every point in the universe
• There's redundancy in the interpretation. The ~140 degree angle and two lines are used to describe the same angle. There's no need for that. You've already limited the surface to the bubble and you know the angle (30 degrees).
• It's ignored 2 of the 4 image artifacts (technically 3 of the 4 from the above redundancy).

It may well be a thing but it needs work if it's to point at anything specific.

I know it very well, I posted the image only because it was the first one assuming Merope could be the center, and the UA shell the sphere.
I know the author sliced the sphere wrong, and so on.
But the underlying idea of a change of perspective: I LIKE IT.

And yes, the UP points at Merope 5c: but if it's just because there is another reason as I said? It is just transmitting there?

And Saying Merope is THEIR POLAR STAR, was a "mental image": I meant more like A REFERENCE POINT in their CULTURE/UNIVERSE/LIFE/RELIGION/PATISSERIE

 

[Tigorath]

BUT
why do UPs always point to Merope5C? This behaviour does not make any sense if the solution to the sonogram picture is somewhere in the UA shell with Merope as the centre. The UP would then more logically point to the Merope star, just like UAs do.

Perhapse the probes are informing us where they are from, not what they are studying. The ship scan confirms that they are checking we are NOT what they are looking for and perhapse not a threat.... yet.

 

[BluWolve]

I personally agree with what you are saying here I think if I understand except for one difference. In my theory the sphere isn't the shell, it is merope 5C. I cant work it out exactly but i the sphere just reminds me of the surface map, and the UP points to the planet so it has to have some significance in my opinion.

To try to be more clear, we can use the symbols to figure out which way to go and look for whatever it is we need to find.

 

[rizal72]

We'd just need to figure out the reference points... the axis through 0,0 could point at the galactic center. Or "up" in relation to the galactic plane. Or somewhere else. It's ambigous - but I like the general idea.

Assuming it is the UA shell:

We have an inner and outer radius (135ly, 150ly)
We have the galactic plane as a reference
We have so many Nebula around Merope as reference points

 

[MadDogMurdock]

That image keeps getting posted and there is admittedly a geometric attraction to it but it has several problems

• There's no orientation reference to set the angle or reference to set a distance so it can be used to describe every point in the universe
• There's redundancy in the interpretation. The ~140 degree angle and two lines are used to describe the same angle. There's no need for that. You've already limited the surface to the bubble and you know the angle (30 degrees).
• It's ignored 2 of the 4 image artifacts (technically 3 of the 4 from the above redundancy).

It may well be a thing but it needs work if it's to point at anything specific.

The quarter circle is the reference plane - the galactic plane - what else draws a big line across a wide arc of sky?
The two external lines are the orientation markers - figure out what they are supposed to point to and orient with them in the correct relative positions.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Go test this theory guys!

As a pedantic retired scientist, I would point out that you can never prove a theory is right! Truth has nothing to do with science, truth is for religion and philosophy. A good theory is just useful (because it answers all the current evidence and supports useful prediction) until it becomes evident from experiment that it is wrong. MB's comment means exactly what it says- that theory is testable, but that does not mean that it is correct

 

[Belthize]

I know it very well, I posted the image only because it was the first one assuming Merope could be the center, and the UA shell the sphere.
I know the author sliced the sphere wrong, and so on.
But the underlying idea of a change of perspective: I LIKE IT.

And yes, the UP points at Merope 5c: but if it's just because there is another reason as I said? It is just transmitting there?

And Saying Merope is THEIR POLAR STAR, was a "mental image": I meant more like A REFERENCE POINT in their CULTURE/UNIVERSE/LIFE/RELIGION/PATISSERIE

Ahh, that I'm down with. Last night (sadly there's a distinct TZ difference amongst posters) I commented on something similar w.r.t. where UPs might be found.

 

[littlee]

new theory. when you are at merope star, and look to merope 5c, is there a system on line behind?
currently not at home to look by my self

 

[Anubite]

Sorry to be that guy, but has anyone KWS/CS/W scanned the probe or artifact?

I have wondered if the probe message is incomplete. Also wondering if the initial static is an attempt to communicate in signals derived human satellites that existed 1300 years prior (sounds like data transfer).

 

[Cmdr Spencer]

This is what I think we could be looking for.

Theory as to what we/they could be looking for...

What could be down there that the fed and potentially alien race want so much?

A ship that was carrying something, something perhaps it wasn't supposed to. This ship was destroyed, possibly by whatever was on board or possibly by someone who wanted what was onboard. Federation? Aliens? Sirius Corp?

What ship disappeared in shadowy circumstances only to strangely be rediscovered in a million pieces recently? A ship that was of interest to the federation and Sirius Corp?

A ship that they went to great lengths to collect the wreckage in the public eye, but which at the same time, a small corporation also asked pilots to turn the wreckage into them instead and nobody could work out why. Perhaps they didn't believe this was the wreckage and the official story of a failed drive.

The story of the Antares suddenly cut off, case closed. I am not alone in thinking that's not the truth. President Halsey might have something to say on the matter.

Forgive my ramblings it may or may not be any help, and may be wide of the mark, but it's just a hunch I got.

 

[rizal72]

new theory. when you are at merope star, and look to merope 5c, is there a system on line behind?
currently not at home to look by my self

Do you know that merope 5c orbits around merope, don't you? So, every system laying on its orbit plane: a million perhaps?

 

[Sterlino]

i know that my theory sounds a little bit ''stupid''.

but i continue to think that it's a compass

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