General / Off-Topic Third incident in two weeks in Germany

[Sunleader]

Its sad that some people are still blind to all the harm that refugees from Islamic countries are causing. Part of the problem with allowing refugees is that along with the people fleeing the violence, it is also very easy for terrorists to cross the border this way.

Terrorists / ISIS are treating this as a war, but we are not taking this seriously. Each attack is just a police action to us. They kill dozens and all we do is foolishly talk about banning guns or some other thing that would not have stopped them to begin with.
"I'll tell you what war is about, you've got to kill people, and when you've killed enough they stop fighting." - General Curtis LeMay

Sorry but as we said before.
So Far Islamic Refugees and ISIS togethern are not even as Dangerous as our much Hated Enemy of War "Our own Furniture at home"
Because our War to move our own Furniture around at home each Year Kills more People than ISIS and Refugees together....

Sorry but its hard to see the Damage done by Muslim Immigrants because they hardly cause any Damage.
Their Crime Rate is (and thats been Confirmed on Official Sources) not really higher than that of our own Citizens.
And if you call this a War than seriously we got alot of Wars going on against more Dangerous Enemies than them.

Starting with our Own Furniture and Beehives which are killing much more of our People than Refugees and ISIS.

Yes it has been all over the news that Japan hasn't let many Muslims in and that their terrorist attack rate was low. Then what a coincidence this happens right on cue to fit your narrative.

The world is full of crazies (Manchurian candidates) isn't it?

Nah Nah Mate. I am sure he was Islamist. After all you guys have been saying the whole Topic that our Amok Runs etc are all only because we let in Refugees.
There is no Way that this Country had no Islamic Immigration but easily Topped our Deathtoll with an Amok Run.


(Honestly said alone in Chicago more People are Shot each day than ISIS Kills Europeans. I am fairly sure People in bigger Cities in the USA got a good laugh when Germany had the whole City Locked Down because of one Guy with a Pistol. For Cities like Chicago an Shootout is Daily Practice after all.....)



But seriously.
Heck this is Appalling
The amount of Racism and Prejudice on this Forum is far beyond what I would have expected.

 

[verminstar]

Sorry but as we said before.
So Far Islamic Refugees and ISIS togethern are not even as Dangerous as our much Hated Enemy of War "Our own Furniture at home"
Because our War to move our own Furniture around at home each Year Kills more People than ISIS and Refugees together....

Sorry but its hard to see the Damage done by Muslim Immigrants because they hardly cause any Damage.
Their Crime Rate is (and thats been Confirmed on Official Sources) not really higher than that of our own Citizens.
And if you call this a War than seriously we got alot of Wars going on against more Dangerous Enemies than them.

Starting with our Own Furniture and Beehives which are killing much more of our People than Refugees and ISIS.




Nah Nah Mate. I am sure he was Islamist. After all you guys have been saying the whole Topic that our Amok Runs etc are all only because we let in Refugees.
There is no Way that this Country had no Islamic Immigration but easily Topped our Deathtoll with an Amok Run.


(Honestly said alone in Chicago more People are Shot each day than ISIS Kills Europeans. I am fairly sure People in bigger Cities in the USA got a good laugh when Germany had the whole City Locked Down because of one Guy with a Pistol. For Cities like Chicago an Shootout is Daily Practice after all.....)



But seriously.
Heck this is Appalling
The amount of Racism and Prejudice on this Forum is far beyond what I would have expected.

As is the sheer amount of denial and ignorance of those who belittle others who have genuine fears...those of you who do this only make things worse, yet still blame everyone else for the escalation.

Neither side is gonna back down until a compromise is reached...pouring scorn on the other side is self defeating and not in any way helpful. Just makes ye look like children and not very mature ones at that. Yer handing others a valid reason to ignore ye.

Google "compromise" in case the word isn't in yer vocabulary...stick with the gas lighting and the scorn and ye justify the term "troll"...I could name one classic example, although I muted the guy couple days ago.

Catch 22...you guys argue it's because we aren't listening to facts...we can argue yer not listening at all...and so round and round we go in a never ending cycle...just as much your fault as it is ours...which of course you will argue it's not and it's all our fault and round and round we go yet again...standing ovation guys ^^

 

[Minonian]

Catch 22...you guys argue it's because we aren't listening to facts...we can argue yer not listening at all...and so round and round we go in a never ending cycle...just as much your fault as it is ours...which of course you will argue it's not and it's all our fault and round and round we go yet again...standing ovation guys ^^

The only way is up and out. Mute this kind of people, if they don't get the picture, and take care of the problem the best you can, to drop the tensions. Even if you can't resolve everything it can helps. Forget about to stay inside the cycle and take sides, rise above it, and see the whole picture.

 

[Becks]

The only way is up and out. Mute this kind of people, if they don't get the picture, and take care of the problem the best you can, to drop the tensions. Even if you can't resolve everything it can helps. Forget about to stay inside the cycle and take sides, rise above it, and see the whole picture.

That'd be the removal of freedom of speech ^^

 

[Minonian]

That'd be the removal of freedom of speech ^^

What? To mute the ones, whom going into your nerves, and you can't do a dam about them to make it stop, and much less to listen to reson?
Sorry! But i care about my mental health more, than their right to annoy me to death.

Edit; And seriously? Which right is the foremost? Their freedom to ... with you, or your right to be healthy, and untroubled both in body and soul?

 

[verminstar]

That'd be the removal of freedom of speech ^^

Not exactly...it's not removing their rights at all, it's simply not listening to those who seek to create further conflict with sharp words. They can chitter away till their hearts content, but we are under no obligation to listen based on their tone which I find deeply insulting and condescending...hence I stopped listening full stop because reason doesn't work with this guy...tried that and he just mocked the effort. Whatever point he's trying to make comes with barbed insults so his point is falling on deaf ears.

Guy hasn't got a chip on his shoulder...it's a gaping canyon and that is coming across in his comments.

 

[Becks]

What? To mute the ones, whom going into your nerves, and you can't do a dam about them to make it stop, and much less to listen to reson?
Sorry! But i care about my mental health more, than their right to annoy me to death.

Edit; And seriously? Which right is the foremost? Their freedom to ... with you, or your right to be healthy, and untroubled both in body and soul?

Ah wait, you're talking about a mute on the forums and not a mute of their voices in public? In that case, sorry my mistake.

If not, no matter how much you fear islamic terrorism, it doesn't justify breaking down one or more pillars of our democracy. Freedom of speech is essential and non optional for a democracy.

And I highly doubt that you want to live in a dictatorship.

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Not exactly...it's not removing their rights at all, it's simply not listening to those who seek to create further conflict with sharp words. They can chitter away till their hearts content, but we are under no obligation to listen based on their tone which I find deeply insulting and condescending...hence I stopped listening full stop because reason doesn't work with this guy...tried that and he just mocked the effort. Whatever point he's trying to make comes with barbed insults so his point is falling on deaf ears ^^

Fair enough, you're free to ignore whomever the      you want ^^

 

[Minonian]

Ah wait, you're talking about a mute on the forums and not a mute of their voices in public? In that case, sorry my mistake.

That's right.

If not, no matter how much you fear islamic terrorism, it doesn't justify breaking down one or more pillars of our democracy. Freedom of speech is essential and non optional for a democracy.

And I highly doubt that you want to live in a dictatorship.

Okay, hold on for just a minute. you have some fine point right there, but what i said about my own mental health, are also goes to the society mental health, and stability, although the balance the whole thing is much more delicate, but the basic's are just the same.

Even in the west you can't do anything. For an example holocaust denial counts as a crime, or you can't spread child pornography, and for a pretty good reason. And by the same principle you can forbid the islamic hate speech and terrorist recruitment. Some restrictions are necessary, and for a good reason, and its not the end the freedom of speech.

 

[verminstar]

Ah wait, you're talking about a mute on the forums and not a mute of their voices in public? In that case, sorry my mistake.

Fair enough, you're free to ignore whomever the you want ^^

So basically, ye jumped the gun and assumed the worst without knowing the whole story...ok ^^

 

[Sir.Tj]

Ok everyone.

As emotional as these subjects are please remember you are on a game forum which caters for all ages.

Can we take things down a notch please?

Thanks

 

[Becks]

Okay, hold on for just a minute. you have some fine point right there, but what i said about my own mental health, are also goes to the society mental health, and stability, although the balance the whole thing is much more delicate, but the basic's are just the same.

Even in the west you can't do anything. For an example holocaust denial counts as a crime, or you can't spread child pornography, and for a pretty good reason. And by the same principle you can forbid the islamic hate speech and terrorist recruitment. Some restrictions are necessary, and for a good reason, and its not the end the freedom of speech.

I'm well aware that you can't have total freedom of everything.

But freedom of speech is one of the most delicate and most important things in a democracy and it's very dangerous to tinker with it.

While it's true that there are existing laws restricting freedom of speech in certain areas (such as hate speech, terrorist recruitment or holocaust denial), you can't silence opposing political matters (I have to admit here that I was several times pretty close to block people because of their political attitudes in this part of the forum).

For example Trump. He's dangerous, a liar, a demagoge and downright unsuitable for being the president of the United States of America, imo.

But the people calling for laws to silence Trump are even more dangerous, since they're more a threat to democracy than he is because they want to limit certain political views protected by the freedom of speech.

J.K. Rowlings made a pretty good point about that and I used her example of Trump above.

Now if a muslim wants to introduce sharia law in Germany or whereever (assuming he does so in a way which doesn't conflict with existing laws), should you prohibit him from voicing his opinion on this matter?

In my opinion, no, since his freedom of speech protects yours and likewise. If his freedom of speech gets restricted, you have to expect your freedom of speech to get restricted too at some point.

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So basically, ye jumped the gun and assumed the worst without knowing the whole story...ok ^^

Not really, I just misinterpreted him. ^^

 

[Minonian]

For example Trump. He's dangerous, a liar, a demagoge and downright unsuitable for being the president of the United States of America, imo.

Unsuitable and unstable.
Clinton? She just simply unsuitable.

 

[Becks]

Unsuitable and unstable.
Clinton? She just simply unsuitable.

I'm not a fan of Clinton either ^^ But she's the lesser evil imo.

 

[Adept]

As is the sheer amount of denial and ignorance of those who belittle others who have genuine fears...

People having "genuine fears" is a reason for counseling. Fear is not a valid reason or justification for prejudice or changing the laws to discriminate against a group of people. I'm sure many American police officers fear black people. That doesn't make their actions towards them any more valid. Fear is no excuse for bad behavior.

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I'm not a fan of Clinton either ^^ But she's the lesser evil imo.

Clinton is just a career politician and bureaucrat. Contrasted with Trump she's the only sane choice for the yanks.

 

[verminstar]

Not really, I just misinterpreted him. ^^

"jumped the gun and assumed..."..."misinterpreted"...it's exactly the same thing. This had absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech which I believe in just as strongly as you, and yet ye still chose to jump down my throat by swearing at me because ye assumed the worst. That one was on you and you alone.

If it was a reasoned debate, then there wouldn't be a problem, but shoving in insults and ad hominem attacks does not a reasonable debate make no matter how ye try to justify it. So far, there's been gas lighting, projections about peoples' mental health and a whole host of little barbs concerning the perceived intelligence of those with a different opinion...do you deny this is taking place?

If a reasonable and equal debate is gonna happen, then the insults have to go...otherwise the admins just close the thread and everyone walks away and nobody gets what they want ^^

 

[Minonian]

I'm not a fan of Clinton either ^^ But she's the lesser evil imo.

Agreed. Trumph is a danger to everyone.

 

[verminstar]

People having "genuine fears" is a reason for counseling.

So is denial...like an addict or alcoholic denying they have a problem and it's everyone else that has the problem ^^

 

[Becks]

"jumped the gun and assumed..."..."misinterpreted"...it's exactly the same thing. This had absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech which I believe in just as strongly as you, and yet ye still chose to jump down my throat by swearing at me because ye assumed the worst. That one was on you and you alone.

If it was a reasoned debate, then there wouldn't be a problem, but shoving in insults and ad hominem attacks does not a reasonable debate make no matter how ye try to justify it. So far, there's been gas lighting, projections about peoples' mental health and a whole host of little barbs concerning the perceived intelligence of those with a different opinion...do you deny this is taking place?

If a reasonable and equal debate is gonna happen, then the insults have to go...otherwise the admins just close the thread and everyone walks away and nobody gets what they want ^^

It's not the same.

Jumping the gun is reacting in a unjustified and exxagerated way. Nothing I did here.

Interpreting something always goes hand in hand with assuming something. Nothing wrong with that.

Where have I sweared at you or insulted you in this thread?

I do agree that a few participants of both sides in this thread overdo it a bit with defending their opinion ^^

Ironically it's now you who's jumping the gun over a simple misinterpretation of my side.

 

[Sunleader]

Agreed. Trumph is a danger to everyone.

The more Incompetent the US President is. The better it is for Europe.
Obama is an Real Problem there. He Smiles us into the Face and Talks about how he is our Best Democratic Friend. And in the Backround he is doing Economic Spionage and messing us up everywhere....
Hes like Merkel in that Regard. He Smiles you in the face and then makes short work of you while claiming to be Super Nice to you.....

 

[Patrick_68000]

"The islamist terrorism arrived to Germany" said the president of the CSU, Horst Seehofer, "the population is scared and needs a response from political leaders." The CSU requires more firmness on the immigration.