UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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Yes, a circular orbit has an Orbital Eccentricity of 0.

I had a look in eddb.io at a few other bodies with circular orbits and they all have different Arguments of Periapsis.

Merope 2 a, Argument of Periapsis = 37.41º

Maia B 2 b, Argument of Periapsis = 46.11º

Diso 4 a, Argument of Periapsis = 292.98º

I think I know why this is. When Frontier pressed the button and set the galaxy in motion it was necessary to be able to describe both the bodies' orbits and their initial positions. It doesn't matter that most of the galaxy is procedurally generated. The Stellar Forge describes the orbit of every body and its position at Elite Dangerous time zero allowing current positions and movement can be calculated correctly whenever an instance for the system is created.

In order to find the position a body in it's orbit we use the True Anomaly which is an angle from the Argument of Periapsis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_elements

Because a circular orbit has no periapsis we instead use the Argument of Latitude. This is the angle from the Ascending Node and this is the sum of the Argument of Periapsis and the True Anomaly, and this is true no matter the Eccentricity of the orbit.

Argument of Latitude = Argument of Periapsis + True Anomaly

From a programming point of view you want to be able to use the data structures and methods for calculating the position of all of your celestial bodies. For non-circular orbits the Argument of Periapsis and True Anomaly are vital information and need separate variables. But for circular orbits we need only need to describe one angle, the Argument of Latitude.

We have two ways of doing this for circular orbits; we can store the Argument of Latitude in either our variable for the True Anomaly or Argument of Periapsis and set the other to zero. This way we can use exactly the same method for calculating the position of our body.

Remember that for any orbit, of any Eccentricity:

Argument of Latitude = Argument of Periapsis + True Anomaly

I believe Frontier chose to describe circular orbits by setting the True Anomaly to zero and used the Argument of Periapsis to describe Argument of Latitude:

Argument of Latitude = Argument of Periapsis + 0 (True Anomaly)

Argument of Latitude = Argument of Periapsis

When the system map describes a body as having a circular orbit (Eccentricty =0) and an Argument of Periapsis of 138.32º what we are in fact seeing is the variable used to describe the initial position of that body at Elite Dangerous time zero.

It isn't a true property of a circular orbital system, rather it's an artefact of the initial state description of the system.

Without a better explanation I suggest discounting the Argument of Periapsis as being meaningful for our investigation where it involves bodies with circular orbits such as Merope 5 c. That it appears similar to the angle in the UP message is a coincidence. If this turns out not be the case then FD have some serious explaining to do.

It's very common when describing an orbit which has a usually given angle that comes up as a 0 to fallback on an alternate orbital element. In almost all cases when the orbit is circular the argument of latitude is given rather than a 0 figure for arguemtn of peri
 
Why you all still trying find celestial body? According to puzzle grid in circle arched as if it signified surface. For example we know that body is merope 5c. But How to find point on surface using this vectors and grid?
 
So heres an explanation

Symbol .|. in top left is invitation
To travel across dimension (to witch space)

Symbol ((.|| in top right says you need to be need a star (Merope as thats where they point)

| .. to .. | represents the count down sequewnce on a jump with the action to take place after 2sec (Ever notice it counts down from 4)

THe circle represents the navigation box on your ship (after all probe scanned your ship)
The line within the circle pointing bottom right from centre represents the axis (rotation)
THe curve above the top left quadrant indicates direction ( anticlockwise)
The two lines touching circumferenc in bottom left quadrant indicate a range of rotation or frequency of rotation.

So the message reads,

To enter another dimension
get near merope star
Begin countdown
After 2 sec rotate ship anticlockwise by 135 degrees
 
Anybody notice this strange sound on the ship crash tip offs?? This is my first ive heard this. Its weird.............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okKWsypCNhk&feature=youtu.be

'Singing ships' yes. Not only for the Condor Tip-Off. We can find them as RNG-POI as well as in USS Degraded and Encoded.
I've found Sidewinders, Condors of the singing kind in USS. I forgot to check a few others before I was aware of it.
It was discussed a bit back in Thread#7.
 
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I believe I saw an alien ship in supercruise. Not sure but it looked completely different than other ships and was in and out of my line of sight very quickly. I have a recording.
 
'Singing ships' yes. Not only for the Condor Tip-Off. We can find them as RNG-POI as well as in USS Degraded and Encoded.
I've found Sidewinders, Condors of the singing kind in USS. I forgot to check a few others before I was aware of it.
It was discussed a bit back in Thread#7.

Ah i see never heard the noise like that before and either missed the previous post or forgot about it. so just to be sure i recorded :p

Thanks anything done to the sound? most likely nothing but better checking than leaving it
 
Here is a theory I'm toying with. It makes sense too. I know others have thought along the same lines.

  • The Unknown Probes are "man made". Probably by the Sirius corporation.
  • This is why it was hinted that the UA was more advanced
  • It was reverse engineered from the original Barnacles found at Merope 5c.
  • This is why it points back toward its origin at Merope 5c
  • This is why MB says they have separate purposes.
  • This is why is responds to human scanner technology
  • This is why it is a simpler version of the UA
  • The imprinted diagram could be human made, or part of the barnacle "DNA" so to speak.
  • This is why it is only found nearby Sirius and not anywhere else.
  • The probes could be made as a way of controlling or stimulating barnacle growth or communication?
 
OK, was thinking about how we "accidentally" found Jacques.

What IF, we didn't find the barnacles as intended by FD and the UP was the key to finding the barnacles on 5C?

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On another note, I know its expensive, but have we tried blowing a UP / UA up near a barnacle?
 
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