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UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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I give you the Oxford English Dictionary definitions for sonogram:
Noun:
1-A graph representing a sound, showing the distribution of energy at different frequencies.
2-A visual image produced from an ultrasound examination
"Spectrogram" may also be used for #1, though to me "sono" implies only sound frequencies & that's why I'm using it here, whereas "spectro" is more generic & could suggest a wider frequency range. I think that is the more modern usage, but then I'm getting to be an old git. And I did say I'm sometimes pedantic!
You're technically correct... the very best kind of correct.
I don't think figuring this thing out requires a sharper image. I'm sure the sound team did just what we're doing before putting this in the game and knew how noisy the final spectrogram would be.
I still think those glyphs in the left part are a song that can be played in a sequencer-like fashion.
Perhaps just some kind of easter-egg. After all the Golden disk on the Voyager was fillen with any kind of music from our specie (Mozart, Behethoven...)
If someone with a bitmap to sound plugin could extract/cut that part and let it play like this guy did a million posts ago, BUT WITHOUT STRETCHING THE IMAGE, it could be nice
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ad-7-The-Canonn/page459?p=4256785#post4256785
So, being me that kind of "OK, I'll do it myself" person, I've installed FL Studio 12, I've learned the basic in 5 minutes, and decided to reproduce the little nice song someone presumed to find in the glyphs on the left side of the spectrogram. So I've chosen a couple of the best images we have, and cut just that glyphs.
I did not edit the image in any way: you'll see it stretched only because the Bitmap to Sound Plugin stretches it automatically, to fit the area.
Well, that CMDR was not trolling us, at least.
You listen, you decide. Good night.
[video=youtube;O9pXphBNCXo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9pXphBNCXo[/video]
It has been tested. I have done that on my own about 3 times, different locations each time. Scooping the probe simply cancels the whole thing.
Sorry, I'm just belabouring a minor point.
All I'm saying is the UA's ship schematic proves that the UA (or its creators) recognised the Morse symbols and knew their sequence. It doesn't mean they knew anything about the latin alphabet. For all we know, they think Morse symbols represent our numeric system, and humans deal in base 26! In fact, that makes some sense, considering they used the Morse symbols as coordinates on a cartesian axis, when the units are typically numeric.
Just a speculation, my test here isn't really listed in the spreadsheet of tests to do.
Some of my earliest thoughts were about it being a cypher.
Now look at the full image, not just the cropped version. I'll assume all of it is relevant, not just the part usually cropped.
Assuming I'm right, we see a cypher, then a pause, then the symbol that means "three".
So what would that mean? Maybe it's a question. Maybe it's asking us if we understand this cypher. Maybe we need to reply back "three" to show that we understand. Three rapid consecutive honks? Not something we have a record of anyone trying I don't think.
Addressing my previous concerns:
What good are only four symbols? Answer: it's enough for a test. A multiple choice test!
Why would the middle circle thing be all in one piece, if each quarter of it is a different symbol, each merely representing a number? Answer: I don't know
And why are the numbers all in a jumbled sequence? A sort of X pattern? Answer: to show that it isn't a sequence (or maybe it's just jumbled like a multiple choice test might be). All that matters in language is that one symbol corresponds to some other thing (it "means" or "signifies" or "indicates" that other thing).
New concerns that are unanswered:
Why does the image have a grid on the sphere (especially when the lone "three" doesn't)? Why is there an emp blast? Why does the probe point in a direction?
Some of my earliest thoughts were about it being a cypher.
Now look at the full image, not just the cropped version. I'll assume all of it is relevant, not just the part usually cropped.
Assuming I'm right, we see a cypher, then a pause, then the symbol that means "three".
So what would that mean? Maybe it's a question. Maybe it's asking us if we understand this cypher. Maybe we need to reply back "three" to show that we understand. Three rapid consecutive honks? Not something we have a record of anyone trying I don't think.
Addressing my previous concerns:
What good are only four symbols? Answer: it's enough for a test. A multiple choice test!
Why would the middle circle thing be all in one piece, if each quarter of it is a different symbol, each merely representing a number? Answer: I don't know
And why are the numbers all in a jumbled sequence? A sort of X pattern? Answer: to show that it isn't a sequence (or maybe it's just jumbled like a multiple choice test might be). All that matters in language is that one symbol corresponds to some other thing (it "means" or "signifies" or "indicates" that other thing).
New concerns that are unanswered:
Why does the image have a grid on the sphere (especially when the lone "three" doesn't)? Why is there an emp blast? Why does the probe point in a direction?
First time I heard that, I thought it sounded like a bugle call!
Anyone with a good musical ear can recognise the notes?
That is the scariest upbeat music of all time.
If this is intended , maybe the music is code for something and you need both the ''map'' and music to work it out?
Maybe if the map is a key , then the music is a keyhole?
It's almost as if FDEV's teasing us... Laughing at us, mocking us in the worst way possible with that music D: TURN IT OFF.
(Lol, but I DO hope this is indeed part of the puzzle, and not just something that happens to sound so much like music :'D )
Reminds me of..
[video=youtube_share;S4PYI6TzqYk]https://youtu.be/S4PYI6TzqYk[/video]
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The song.. remember, they sing
edit: Sokath, his ears uncovered!
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This would be a real jerk thing to do because that overdense line of stars is really just an artifact of the real life star catalogues that FD used in addition to the procedurally generated stars. If you look at those systems you'll see the most of them begin with "2MASS" because they're pulled from the 2MASS instrument catalogue.
But the circle in the spectrogram image has a good amount of thickness to it. If you were to move your perfect circle around within the blur, or glow, of the spectrogram circle you get it to line up with your grid.
Have we put UPs in an SRV yet? UP vets?
Without some sort of solid reference point for at least one segment you can make the symbols in those four segments mean whatever you want. That's about the fifth or tenth interpretation I've seen today.
I really like this idea Riz. It's brilliant and would explain why they've done it.
I serve ED????
Thargoid intern confirmed!
I'm a bit confused as to why we're taking a picture of a sound and then turning it into a sound again. It's already a sound. Also it sounds like horribly robot bagpipes. Good work though.
Yes, a circular orbit has an Orbital Eccentricity of 0.
I had a look in eddb.io at a few other bodies with circular orbits and they all have different Arguments of Periapsis.
Merope 2 a, Argument of Periapsis = 37.41º
Maia B 2 b, Argument of Periapsis = 46.11º
Diso 4 a, Argument of Periapsis = 292.98º
I think I know why this is. When Frontier pressed the button and set the galaxy in motion it was necessary to be able to describe both the bodies' orbits and their initial positions. It doesn't matter that most of the galaxy is procedurally generated. The Stellar Forge describes the orbit of every body and its position at Elite Dangerous time zero allowing current positions and movement can be calculated correctly whenever an instance for the system is created.
In order to find the position a body in it's orbit we use the True Anomaly which is an angle from the Argument of Periapsis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_elements
Because a circular orbit has no periapsis we instead use the Argument of Latitude. This is the angle from the Ascending Node and this is the sum of the Argument of Periapsis and the True Anomaly, and this is true no matter the Eccentricity of the orbit.
Argument of Latitude = Argument of Periapsis + True Anomaly
From a programming point of view you want to be able to use the data structures and methods for calculating the position of all of your celestial bodies. For non-circular orbits the Argument of Periapsis and True Anomaly are vital information and need separate variables. But for circular orbits we need only need to describe one angle, the Argument of Latitude.
We have two ways of doing this for circular orbits; we can store the Argument of Latitude in either our variable for the True Anomaly or Argument of Periapsis and set the other to zero. This way we can use exactly the same method for calculating the position of our body.
Remember that for any orbit, of any Eccentricity:
Argument of Latitude = Argument of Periapsis + True Anomaly
I believe Frontier chose to describe circular orbits by setting the True Anomaly to zero and used the Argument of Periapsis to describe Argument of Latitude:
Argument of Latitude = Argument of Periapsis + 0 (True Anomaly)
Argument of Latitude = Argument of Periapsis
When the system map describes a body as having a circular orbit (Eccentricty =0) and an Argument of Periapsis of 138.32º what we are in fact seeing is the variable used to describe the initial position of that body at Elite Dangerous time zero.
It isn't a true property of a circular orbital system, rather it's an artefact of the initial state description of the system.
Without a better explanation I suggest discounting the Argument of Periapsis as being meaningful for our investigation where it involves bodies with circular orbits such as Merope 5 c. That it appears similar to the angle in the UP message is a coincidence. If this turns out not be the case then FD have some serious explaining to do.
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The song.. remember, they sing
Oh, of course. They do -.-
Nah, I still think it's FDEV's official troll song
Just a thought... if everybody is in the same instance in Merope, then maybe that's because FD wants something unique to happen that everyone can see...
Oh, of course. They do -.-
Nah, I still think it's FDEV's official troll song
We should convert the music into notes.
Ironically its the fog horn sound like in encounters that triggers the probe.. Coincidence?
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I don't think everyone is in the same instance. I have had at least 3 situations where I was at the same position on merope 5c than another player at the same time in the last few days and never have I seen
that other player. I'm pretty sure it's still different instances like everywhere else. Of course you might just end up in an instance where there are already lots of players so it might seem like everyone is
in the same.
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