UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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Gypsy12

Gypsy12
Greetings Commanders!

A few thoughts on the possibility of a hidden object in the Merope system...
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A: It makes sense to position said mystery object (Planet perhaps? - Death star? - Sperm whale?) beyond the orbit of Merope 6. Simply because it dramatically decreases the chance of us splatting into it.

B: As we have no spatial co-ordinate system in ED at the moment, we cannot find it that way.

C: Therefore, you need a point in space and time to obtain a vector from. As we haven't got UP mk II yet, it stands to reason that the only way to do this is with some kind of planetary alignment scheme.

D: As the distance is presumably quite extreme to this object, obtaining an extremely accurate vector is very important. Even with everything almost spot on, there is still a high chance of missing it. It might take multiple attempts.

E: This would imply you need a very long base line to get things lined up correctly. Something at least half the radius of the system would be preferable. (although it is possible it resides at another 1000Ls from Merope 6)

F: I don't think being in orbit around a planet will cut it as a start position. It should be better to do a surface to space trip as we have the ability to use the Angle and Degree on a planets surface.

G: Presumably you must line your position up from a position directly in opposition of another system object in order to get the base line. This is possible to do with good accuracy by lining the reticules up on decent.

H: The most accurate system object is Merope 2A. This is because it has a perfectly circular orbit, and its parent, Merope 2 has also an almost perfect orbit of exactly 1 earth day. Interesting that...

I: The implication here is that Merope 2 has been specifically calibrated to help us with this task. The fact that it has an orbital period of 1 day implies that we will need a "Launch" time...

Gypsy out.
 
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Cynaqq

Cynaqq
Surl Tesh-echer said:
You might be right. That's why it is so dimmed. Then nothing to look there besides the central image and the left part?
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I think not even the left part is meaningful. I think they are even more distorted parts of the main image but they are somehow more defined so I'm not entirely sure about that part. That may still have meaningful information. Of the right side though, I'm as sure as can be. They are artifacts of an echo in the sound effects which I can distinctly hear in the recording.
 

CMDR Carbo

CMDR Carbo
Ozric said:
I broke my rule and read something on Reddit, but it's only cause the first post linked me there rather than a sanitized version ;)

I'm hoping that you find some over there, but does anyone not think it's kind of strange that they said they found them 60 days ago? 2 days after the release of 2.1, 2,500Ly away from anything, didn't take any pictures of something that at the time no-one had ever seen before [blah] and has now just suddenly remembered they saw one?

*Edit* Oh OK they've even photoshopped an Astronaut/Pilot onto one of the screenshots...
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Yes. Sound really fishy to me.

Plus he said he didn't know what it is, so he had to look it up. 60 days ago? [blah]

"no. I didn't know what it was so I had to look it up. I was pretty new and had to look it up."
 

Obnoxious_Gamer

Obnoxious_Gamer
Cynaqq said:
I think not even the left part is meaningful. I think they are even more distorted parts of the main image but they are somehow more defined so I'm not entirely sure about that part. That may still have meaningful information. Of the right side though, I'm as sure as can be. They are artifacts of an echo in the sound effects which I can distinctly hear in the recording.
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Please elaborate on how a sound would produce echoes before it's created.
 

satrycus

satrycus
aguettinger said:
Yes. Sound really fishy to me.

Plus he said he didn't know what it is, so he had to look it up. 60 days ago? [blah]

"no. I didn't know what it was so I had to look it up. I was pretty new and had to look it up."
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That's exactly what I was doing this afternoon with Google image search and I can't find any screenshots from before the 25th of June. As much as I want to believe they actually found one, I'm more inclined to believe it was Ancient Artefacts or similar and they retrospectively did a search for it after the massive publicity surge (BBC News, etc.) last week.

Image search for "Elite Dangerous" and "Unknown Probe" from 24/06/2016 and earlier.

Image search for "Elite Dangerous" and "Unknown Probe" from 25/06/2016 and earlier.
 
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Cynaqq

Cynaqq
Obnoxious_Gamer said:
Please elaborate on how a sound would produce echoes before it's created.
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It's very easy if you are trying to create a cool soundbite to use in an interesting way. The most basic way to do it would be to reverse the sound you want to use as a pre-echo, add echo to the reversed sound then reverse the whole thing again with the echo part. Voila! Echo before the sound.

It's even famously used in Pink Floyd's The Wall when it says 'But in the town, it was well known' in The Happiest Days of Our Lives.
 

Kaltern

Kaltern
Look at the Brabengoid pic I posted earlier. IT is clearly distorted, and just about recognisable. This is an unfortunate result of sound compression and background audio.

The UP signal was presented in as perfect a way as possible. The ship is shut down, effectively removing all external noise that could interfere. The end result is as clear a signal that you're going to get. Meaning, that any image you see must be well defined otherwise it would be impossible to determine if it was what we're meant to see. There is only ONE image that is 100% clear. The rest is unintelligble noise and echo generated by the way spectragrams are made.
 

Belthize

Belthize
Cynaqq said:
The 'W' on the right hand side image above the weird downward curve and the two upward curves is nothing but a distorted version of the top right quadrant of the main message image. It's the 'II' of '-II'. The '-' is also there in a distorted form if you look carefully.

It looks like a W because of a drift in the echo, which is overlaid on the sound effects in that region. I believe it to be nothing but a cool way to add ambient effects to the exit of the message. The curves have the same drift so it is consistent. It becomes apparent if you listen to the recording with headphones while looking at the spectogram.
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There is no mathematical reason for that to be the case. The Fourier transform would not have caused that. If it is just ambient it was intentionally added ambient.
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Cynaqq said:
I think not even the left part is meaningful. I think they are even more distorted parts of the main image but they are somehow more defined so I'm not entirely sure about that part. That may still have meaningful information. Of the right side though, I'm as sure as can be. They are artifacts of an echo in the sound effects which I can distinctly hear in the recording.
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Nah the more I look at the left bit the more I'm sure it's a deliberate illustration of something.

I'm trying to look at it in lots of different ways - and I see numerous things that *almost* fit, crudely. Especially in the main feature - the 'C' with the block beneath.

Could be a representation of a UA
A 'rocket' ship with contrails/fire coming out of the back of it (if the 'ship' is treated as flying right to left)
Could be a crude drawing of a nebula even
Or even an orbis starport. Possibly.

To be honest, it's the rocket ship that looks most plausible to me. I keep hitting on that one. Which might fit, if we are dealing with the missing.
 

Tigirius

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I got an idea while flying to the elephant trunk nebular:

Maybe the UP is a probe to find new places to seed barnacles. The UP gives us a after the honk a location were it does the last system scan. We got hopefully from free floaters more informations-
 

Zatoichie

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well i think ive officially given up. Found a UP near Ross 47. Took it all the way back to Merope, dropped it out of my cargo hold and poof....gone. 4 hours of searching wasted. Im landing on 5C for now and going to remove my helmet and slowly choke to death.....
 

Colonel Kenney

Colonel Kenney
satrycus said:
http://www.elitegalaxyonline.com/orrery/?system_id=4216
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I like the site but it brings my work computer almost to a halt :)

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babypowder84 said:
well i think ive officially given up. Found a UP near Ross 47. Took it all the way back to Merope, dropped it out of my cargo hold and poof....gone. 4 hours of searching wasted. Im landing on 5C for now and going to remove my helmet and slowly choke to death.....
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I spent some time looking for UP's around Sirius other than the 3 known stars (are there more?). Nothing.
 

Ozric

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Ozric
babypowder84 said:
well i think ive officially given up. Found a UP near Ross 47. Took it all the way back to Merope, dropped it out of my cargo hold and poof....gone. 4 hours of searching wasted. Im landing on 5C for now and going to remove my helmet and slowly choke to death.....
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If you found one and lost it due to a bug then create a support ticket and they may return it to you.
 
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