UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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Micheal brookes said at lave con they are in the wild. I think for a couple of weeks now.

Probably one of a few who said this now, but no - he didn't.

It was Sandro who intimated getting them from convoys was 'the hard way'. He didn't expand on what the easy way was.

That's it - that's all there is on that.

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Aha.. there it is. Proof there are some out there.

See above
 
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I honestly don't believe that you can deduct what base number an alien species are using entirely by counting their diggits on one of their limbs (if they have any?)

Just look at the americans... they still haven't converted to the metric system *sigh* Just an example of how diverse a species can be :-D

No, but the people of Norfolk can count to twelve on their fingers. Evolution... oh, wait...
 
1. Convoys go in circles
2/3. Micheal said UAs and UPs are space related for now earlier today.

I stand my ground since devs have said that UPs should be easier to attain. I believe my postulate is valid enough to test. I am in ET though.

Convoys going in circles doesn't mean that they can't have been doing orbital testing near landable planets and crashed.

MB's statement about UA/UP being space related also included that something might be surface related (not quoted correctly).
 
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ATTENTION: A sincere 3-step test and serious suggestion to be done!

1) Follow the military UP convoys and note which systems/planets they go to.
2) Search that specific system's planets' POIs.
3) POIs might contain crashed Fed ships with UPs lying around... BECAUSE they chatter about orbital testing.

PLEASE someone... do this ASAP!

They've been followed at least. They don't really go anywhere of note.

Just kind of float around like space flotsam.
 

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Probably one of a few who said this now, but no - he didn't.

It was Sandro who intimated getting them from convoys was 'the hard way'. He didn't expand on what the easy way was.

That's it - that's all there is on that.

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See above

It's almost like you need a leash :p
 
Probably one of a few who said this now, but no - he didn't.

It was Sandro who intimated getting them from convoys was 'the hard way'. He didn't expand on what the easy way was.

That's it - that's all there is on that.

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See above

This is why I came to believe that the EASY way could be to find UPs in POIs on surfaces of planets in systems where the Fed military convoys go to conduct orbital testing.
I am feeling very enthusiastic about the possibility that the UPs might lie there in a Fed wreck after the ship crashed during orbital testing!

It's perfectly plausible.

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They've been followed at least. They don't really go anywhere of note.

Just kind of float around like space flotsam.

I have followed them and yes they do go to different systems. Their chatter mentions orbital testing. They might as well have crashed during these tests and hence we might find UPs in POIs on the surface of the planets of those systems.

It's plausible I tell you.
 
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https://youtu.be/1E21MI0SvlY

Don't know if this has been noticed before, so I made a video of a dead barnacle singing its sad song. The sounds are different than those produced from the alive ones. Also the green stripes have a fluctuating glowing magnitude.

I have tested this about a month ago with the merope barnacles between live and dead and could not discern any difference. Have you compared it to a live one or are you going off memory? If you still believe it to be different can we have the locations of the two barnacles tested?

Also, what part sounds different? Is there something more? Something less? I want to believe , I need the proof! :)
 
since nobody bought this up yet. G 99-49 Linnaeu Station Back of station inside near its comms towers. I heard sounds recorded it. Thats what came up in a specto.


Dude, hehe I was already showing it off both back here and live. We need to investigate more :)

OK, MB what have you done this time!
Enough!
We have too many mysteries now lol

This is from the tower (inside, at the rear) in the Linnaeus station in G 99-49
More to come in s short moment ...

http://i.imgur.com/wNVDKhr.png


Guys, running this live ... twitch:
https://www.twitch.tv/panzertard

With audacity live as well ;)

The show is available here:
https://secure.twitch.tv/panzertard/v/80496729

Let's do science!
 
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I'm not bashing on you by this reply, Actual. I just want to point out something of the larger issue.

Keep this in mind.





Wall of Text Inbound:

Probably as Easy as It Looks:
Someone last night had an Elite .gif symbol for their thumbnail (NagualI think?). It shifts between a puffy super saturated over-simplified SNES image of the game to the present sexy, trim, seriousness of this one. The image we've received from the UP? That's very much the SNES sort of thing. It's absolutely nothing more than the bare minimum.

KISS... and Gratuitous: Keep it Simple Stupid
My name is actually a nod to Frontier's development process: 8Bits. Old computers "ate" data as often as they kept it. In a way, our attempts to solve this has been much of the same sort of behavior. If I wanted to do this I have fully access to my universities astronomy lab. It's a big university with a lot funding for this sort thing. I could punch up everything there is to know about the Pleiades and Merope into this thing. I'm sure whatever I got back would be VERY interesting without having to put any value judgement on that at all. You're right that people have some powerful tools on hand.
However, there's something to keep in mind: It would be pointless. Carl Gauss found Ceres in 1801 by using the method of least squares: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_squares. All of us here are probably HOPING for a message as complicated as you're saying it is. In earnest deep down most of us know it is not. This isn't something like Cicada 3301. BluWolf pretty much eliminated all possibility of it even being much more complicated than: Drive, Park, Do.

Why all the Tin Foil Mad Hattery:
It's fun. It's a legitimate reason to get let your inner geek out to run around for a bit. Remember that scene in the Martian when Mark Watney has just returned from getting the RTG (radioisotope thermoelectric generator)? He ran around in circles inside the hang waves his arms like a complete nut. This is the same thing an Explorer does after some weeks or months out in the black. The geek and nerd and dork and all the other things that gave us science has had its funding cut for most of our lives now. Big government and big money are increasingly conservative (Luddite -hats couldn't defecate in a toilet if someone didn't remind them where the bathroom was and its purpose). Today we have to go to museums to see a spacecraft. So, much of all this tin foil is just pure glee at being able to take our own little funding-cut corn of expertise and letting it run loose in the park for a bit. It's a child and it wants to play...

Some of the Tin Foil is Deliberate:
Yeah, this is obnoxious maybe, but it's true.

For example:
Good Example of Basic Signaling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REsp3Mzjcj8
1, 2, 3, (chatter) = Safe
1, 2, 3, (Here I am) ~ if interrupted the crow functions as a ‘lighthouse’ for itself and other animals familiar with it (most notably other crows). The interrupted 1, 2, 3 is like a function of timing. “You are here, I am here, and we are all together…” The crow knows where ‘you are’, where ‘it is’, and by stopping at 1, 2, 3, it can indicate your proximity to itself. It does this rhythmically.

If you watch the video you can see that at 0:08, 0:09, and 0:10 the craw makes a call. The call is the entire length of a second. Thus it ends on 0:11. There is then a pause from 0:12 to 0:15 … 0:12, 0:13, 0:14, 0:15 where upon at 0:16 it begins this again… 16 + 16 = 32. Don’t forget the 2 second pauses. 32 + 2 = 34. What’s this? The craw begins to “Chitter” at exactly that moment. Another 2 second pause and then a single call at 0:36 seconds. At exactly 16 seconds of silence later the entire thing begins anew with a 2 and then 2 caw pattern.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ all this above was to go into the citation section of me rambling some time back. It would have gone on to talk about Trichoplusia ni, Oxalis tuberosa, Harmine, Telepathine, Banisteriopsis caapi, the structure of Chitin, its coloration, geomagnetic fields, differences of chemicals in receptor cites in neurology

- http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/files/2014/10/brain-networks.jpg
- https://thumbs.mic.com/ZWZkODE3MDk1...mdHlibGlwamE1bXBhNHBpM2VuYmVlcXFnZy5qcGc=.jpg
- http://image.slidesharecdn.com/cons...ntegrated-information-2-638.jpg?cb=1415201706

and concluded something like...

Summary I:
The capacity of the chitin to absorb and react to electronic, photonic, and geometric occlusions in its environment is co-composite with its capacity to facilitate the elucidation of such fields scalar to the influence of those fields upon it.


Summary II:
The capacity of animals to interact electively does not require nor elicit those conditions to which we might prefer.


Summary III:
The presence of their of the conditions and a capacities of summaries I and II defer favor to the notions that those common features possessed within a single organism whose orders may arrange – as to their function – a chemical nuance unlike our own are probable to have capacities which have not: these capacities would readily exceed our own simply in benefit of our want for them.


Conclusions and Implications:
1. Such a species, machine, or process warrants careful considerations where interaction and proximity is concerned.
2. Our elective ability to persuade, direct, or influence such alternative agencies (conscious or otherwise) present unknown problems imminently confrontational even where fortuitously benign.


It could all be relevant, but realistically? Nah. Not here. Not in a game. Real life? Ya, this would be all kinds of important. Here? The game is a wondrous powerful simulator, but would be unfair if Frontier made this require you have gotten through calc III. That's suicide-worthy courses were they actually assign monitors to the class to be sure people aren't psychologically going to pop during the summer cram session. No, Frontier is has just Easter Egged some things which didn't have any puzzle to them. SO, we find all those first.


It's not Hyper Light Drifter:
Hyper Light Drifter is a great example of our situation. That game has LAYERS of HIDDEN lore in it. There's one level with walls and walls of coded text for you to let your inner geek just go mad: and not talking about the alphabet area for those that have played.
However, the main game is something basic, fun, and straight forwards. "First I gave you a pistol," says the game. "Now I have given you a laser lance that's twice as powerful and twice the range." ..."Okay says we," and with pistol set aside we run out to the first pylon we saw, clearly interactable, but twice the range of our best jump or pistol-shot. And... upon shooting it? ...The game permits a greater amount of complexity.

This is exactly what's going on with the UP. First it was the UA... Simple, but obtuse. Then it was the Barnacles... specific, definable, and obviously static (at least at that time). Now? Now we have something that plays with us: the UP.

This is a progression.

We'd failed at this fourth wall up to this point. The UA was a fairly simple thing and required no real actions on our part. It was merely a confirmer of those things already long suspected. The Barnacles were more like a tease. However, because humanity's only reliable action is self-destruction the Barnacles allowed us to restore damage caused by own maliciousness towards one another. The UP? The first thing I ever heard anyone say was, "Let's drop it in a station and see what happens when we honk it." ... Humanity is an incredibly stupid creature.
If I was a passing alien I'd class humanity as a "tool using animal" with a "consciousness rating" of about 15%... requisite for first-contact communications? 20%.
- Where does that place humanity? Same place we put ants: worthy of having their homes pumped full of liquid aluminum so we can have a fascinating replicate of the inside of their homes. The occupants weren't worth preserving.



Chemical Analysis Absent:
We can't really even do chemical analysis on these things. I mean, if we knew the fibers that go into whatever this barnacle is or the UAs and UPs we'd probably we able to identify the very star they came from. But we can't.

Why? Well, first because the simulator just can't do that. Even if this was a voxel game it'd not be able to do that. It'd be gigantic waste of resources. This is where we pass the forth-wall so people just don't bring it up. And that's one of the big reasons we get so much tin foil. The same is true in real life, really. Take Crop Circles for example? The fields have tiny metal particulates that rather suggest some field of high energy passed through the upper atmosphere, catching with it very fine particulates. As the energy passes down onto the planet it doesn't it the surface all at once. It hits sequentially. This creates the flattening of the pattern that will eventually lead some farming to beating the first child he sees that: board or no board. People prefer that it would be boards so we tell them it is a board and laugh at the New Agers. In private? Completely different story...

In Elite we try to assert that phyllotaxis is the shape of the barnacles: true-tin foil here. It's true, and it's tin foil. If it where phyllotaxis then we could say that sequences of three are involved: 1,2,3 would form a triangle with two tall legs, 1 & 2, 2 & 3, with the hypotenuse being ( 1 & 3) quite short. 4, 5, 6, would be the next triangle at about 88 degrees of the first, and so on. Maybe 24, 25, and 26 would complete it. The symbol of what's suspected to be Barnard's Loop within the area 20, 15, and 23.

This is too complex and Frontier would never do it.

So why do we?

Because we're over educated and not logical enough. We would rather have a lot of chaff and eliminate it only where necessary so as to not throw out anything potentially relevant and critical later. Also, saying something quite complicated can sometimes lead to an appropriate simplification. Usually this happens by someone other than the person who proposed the complicated idea.

So, it's not that this thing is terribly complicated. It's just that well:

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.

- H.P. Lovecraft


Do you really want us to assemble it all in a day?

Here's a few ways of looking this:
1. Is going on a vacation to the beach THE BEACH?
2. Is it the journey to get there?
3. Is the memories afterwards and experiences shared?

Another way to look at it:
This could be Guild Wars 2 where all the developers can manage to do is add another map with the same content as the last map.

This kind of puzzle Frontier has left us generates community. Notice most people aren't flaming on one another in here too. This despite that we've been at this... quite a darn while. That just shows how well Frontier has done in making this game. Maybe it was that you had to use your brain-thing to play the game in the first place: it doesn't hand you any real hints on how to turn it on. IF you can learn to play then you're going to have one of the best gaming experience of this or any decade.

So, it's a choice... drooling idiots that rage and bite at everything or anything... or ...this.


I'll take this. I'll take this for years and years and years...

And keep in mind the romance of a mystery is the mystery itself. Not all stories need an answer nor do they need to complete.

We'll solve this thing. Probably in some off-hand accidental way we've already tried. Again, BluWolf's image of the dashboard awhile back. Such a "duh" statement probably no one wanted to point it out for fear of ridicule. Maximillion awhile back was asking for pictures of Merope for probably similar reasons; to calculate orbits. And numerous others have as well. The benefit of BluWolf's thinking is that it comes with the bonus that his location image also suggests where to test it: not just that it can be tested.


So, the solution is right here among us.

That was quite a wall of text. Yet I it read to the end. In captures very well how I feel about this mystery.

I still haven't made it to Merope. Yet, I'm pursuing a number of lines of investigation using information provided by others. I try to back up my ideas with solid science. Which means I've had to check that I properly understand it. So I'm learning stuff, which is fun.

Here's my latest favourite crackpot theory. I'm posting it not because I think it is the most likely answer, but because I would like it to be the answer:

Well done Ladies and Gentlemen for all the fantastic ongoing hard work, keep it up.

Fascinating watching the situation........ "Grow" ;)


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The UP are spermatozoa. They are heading towards the nucleus of the ovum which is located on Merope 5 c. We already know that the planet is capable of supporting barnacles so it may be considered a fertile spot for laying an egg. We are part of that process. It is our role to deliver to the precise spot where fertilization can occur. We have to crack this infernal code in order to do this, because as a species we must prove we are advanced enough to deal with what is unleashed.

In the unlikely event that I'm right you can call it the Czhilli Conjecture.
 
Now... in general... stop replying just to discount someone's suggestion without proper argumentation.
Especially not when the suggested test is easy to do.

It's a damn waste of thread and people's time!
Be constructive not a pessimist!
 
This is why I came to believe that the EASY way could be to find UPs in POIs on surfaces of planets in systems where the Fed military convoys go to conduct orbital testing.
I am feeling very enthusiastic about the possibility that the UPs might lie there in a Fed wreck after the ship crashed during orbital testing!

It's perfectly plausible.

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I have followed them and yes they do go to different systems. Their chatter mentions orbital testing. They might as well have crashed during these tests and hence we might find UPs in POIs on the surface of the planets of those systems.

It's plausible I tell you.

Except, when MB says earlier today they are 'space-based' it lends more weight to the idea they're found free-floating the same as most UAs.

Not discounting the possibility they're in surface POIs, you understand (after all you can also get some UAs from those too) - but I'll wager they're more numerous in space.
 
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Except, when MB says earlier today they are 'space-based' it lends more weight to the idea they're found free-floating the same as most UAs.

Not discounting the possibility they're in surface POIs, you understand (after all you can also get some UAs from those too) - but I'll wager they're more numerous in space.

"You know nothing John Snow"

... and that's exactly what we know.
It's plausible and needs to be done.

Time for action: Search POIs of landable planets in the systems where the Fed military convoys do orbital testing.
There might be crashed Fed ships with UPs lying around... just like we've seen with the UA.
 
Surely, with the new mention about UP audio in the patch notes, a key priority right now has to be securing another UP from one of these convoys?

Anyone managed to get themselves winged up and looking in Ross 47? Or one of the other systems listed on the FP?

We really need a recording of that audio from start to finish.
 
I was curious about claims that the heading or coordinate system had changed on Merope 5c.

I don't think it has.
It's still 'backwards' in that 0 heading goes to -90 latitude and 90 heading decreases longitude.

I also rechecked the Murdock Meridian. Still at -117 degrees longitude with Merope 5c fast approaching the Rich Tea Equinox.
 
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"You know nothing John Snow"

... and that's exactly what we know.
It's plausible and needs to be done.

Time for action: Search POIs of landable planets in the systems where the Fed military convoys do orbital testing.
There might be crashed Fed ships with UPs lying around... just like we've seen with the UA.

Yep not saying it's plausible - just that finding them in space is more plausible. You can do what you're doing and others can go looking in space.

Hopefully someone will get a result.

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I was curious about claims that the heading or coordinate system had changed on Merope 5c.

I don't think it has.
It's still 'backwards' in that 0 heading goes to -90 latitude and 90 heading decreases longitude.

I also rechecked the Murdock Meridian. Still at -117 degrees longitude with Merope 5c fast approaching the Rich Tea Equinox.

'Rich Tea'? is it really that bland?

There's no hope.
 
This one is wild and probably won't work, but easy to try: has anyone performed a hyperspace jump directly at Merope 5c? I'd give it a go but I ended my time there yesterday. Let me know if you end up in witch space :p
 
Surely, with the new mention about UP audio in the patch notes, a key priority right now has to be securing another UP from one of these convoys?

Anyone managed to get themselves winged up and looking in Ross 47? Or one of the other systems listed on the FP?

We really need a recording of that audio from start to finish.

been searching for nearly 3 hours and not a single convoy in sight in Ross 47
 
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