UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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MadDogMurdock

MadDogMurdock
LordZoltan said:
that's exactly what I thought. it's from June
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I was trying to find the the "I found Jaques" thread but the board moves too fast and search isn't helping.
The guy posted all the local news from Jacques which include all his weird log entries.

The Fulsang news item may be a garbled version of one of those.
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Ryder35 said:
OK, makes sense but what if it is not intended. Everything that has been speculated since relies on it being a circle.

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If it was meant to be a circle would it not have been transmitted as a circle? Or is there some room for interpretation in the way the picture is created from the sound? (Genuine question as I do not understand the way the image is created, I just want to rule out the fact that we are all basing our ideas on it being a circle when it is actually an ellipse).
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Because audio frequencies are inherently logarithmic in terms of the pitches they produce - and it's by using a logarithmic scale that you go from egg to circle.

Also, the same is true for the dB scale - 4dB is twice as loud as 3dB.

So... given that using a log scale gives a near-perfect circle and - quite crucially - normalises the horizontals at different parts of the image (especially in the circle itself) to be basically the same thickness - it's pretty obvious that's the way it's meant to be viewed.

In my opinion, of course ;)
 
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Matt

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Ryder35 said:
If it was meant to be a circle would it not have been transmitted as a circle? Or is there some room for interpretation in the way the picture is created from the sound?
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I dont think you can guarantee the proportions will be identical on *every* piece of software once plotted as a spectrograph. If you google image search the Aphex Twin spectograph you'll see some where he has a narrow-face, some where he has a wide-face etc (using Aphex Twin as an example as this has been around for years so lots more images out there). It comes out different for everyone.

However, Pi is Pi is Pi and Pi for me says this is a hint to say "circles" regardless of what software I use and what skew/stretch it puts on it.
 
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Muetdhiver

Muetdhiver
Ryder35 said:
If it was meant to be a circle would it not have been transmitted as a circle? Or is there some room for interpretation in the way the picture is created from the sound? (Genuine question as I do not understand the way the image is created, I just want to rule out the fact that we are all basing our ideas on it being a circle when it is actually an ellipse).
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Well, when you display audio signal, it's quite common to use a log scale for the frequencies. If we are supposed to read it in a linear scale, the circle would the be egg shaped.
(and vice versa if we read in lin-lin and the signal is supposed to be read in lin-log)

This is why all messages sent in space for some eventual alien have a formating part, i.e. this is how you should read the message. In that sense the 3142 => circle !
would make sense.
 

Ryder35

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LordZoltan said:
Because audio frequencies are inherently logarithmic in terms of the pitches they produce - and it's by using a logarithmic scale that you go from egg to circle.

Also, the same is true for the dB scale - 4dB is twice as loud as 3dB.

So... given that using a log scale gives a near-perfect circle and - quite crucially - normalises the horizontals at different parts of the image (especially in the circle itself) to be basically the same thickness - it's pretty obvious that's the way it's meant to be viewed.

In my opinion, of course ;)
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Great, thanks for clearing that up ;) Still not convinced that we are not missing things by using the stylized version of the image rather than the whole thing. There definitely appears to be a linear scale to the left and right of the circle and a small circle in the centre of the image. Neither of which are in the stylized version.
 

Matt

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Not sure if someone has done this or not yet, but has someone just extracted the audio from the data file to get a clean image without any other noise? I think the audio files are fairly well understood now, and OVL format probably about 50% understood (well the headers are understood but the data format of the compressed stream still undergoing research) so I can take acrack
 

Allant Doran

Allant Doran
Matt said:
Not sure if someone has done this or not yet, but has someone just extracted the audio from the data file to get a clean image without any other noise? I think the audio files are fairly well understood now, and OVL format probably about 50% understood (well the headers are understood but the data format of the compressed stream still undergoing research) so I can take acrack
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Extracting anything from the data files is a huge Nono for the community. It has been brought up but it will always be roundly shot down as an option.
 

EdzUp

EdzUp
Have we investigated HIP 17225 as other in this topic have stated is in direct corelation to the central image in the datagram image from the probe when the galaxy is viewed from above. Surely this merits some investigation since the feds have beaten us to it? Maybe there will be more clues over there?
 

NUMBERZero1032

NUMBERZero1032
Matt said:
Not sure if someone has done this or not yet, but has someone just extracted the audio from the data file to get a clean image without any other noise? I think the audio files are fairly well understood now, and OVL format probably about 50% understood (well the headers are understood but the data format of the compressed stream still undergoing research) so I can take acrack
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That's cheating. Don't cheat, don't ask, don't tell. Mods have removed the posts of people who have posted results taken from game files.
 

NorMonsta

NorMonsta
Matt said:
Not sure if someone has done this or not yet, but has someone just extracted the audio from the data file to get a clean image without any other noise? I think the audio files are fairly well understood now, and OVL format probably about 50% understood (well the headers are understood but the data format of the compressed stream still undergoing research) so I can take acrack
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Extracting anything from the flies in a public forum will get you arrested

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LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Matt said:
Not sure if someone has done this or not yet, but has someone just extracted the audio from the data file to get a clean image without any other noise? I think the audio files are fairly well understood now, and OVL format probably about 50% understood (well the headers are understood but the data format of the compressed stream still undergoing research) so I can take acrack
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For clarity: do this and keep your conclusions away from this thread.

We don't do that. Because it's cheating.

Go over to reddit and I'm sure you'll find plenty of people happy to engage, though.

Sorry to come down like a ton of bricks - every time someone suggests, the frustration rises.
 

Sterlino

Sterlino
so, at the end, the guy who posted ''i found an UP in elephant nebula''
was only a Troll ?


we must find an UP free in space.

should we expect to find it into a nebula ?
or maybe into a new shell around a nebula ?
 

Anthar

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LordZoltan said:
For clarity: do this and keep your conclusions away from this thread.

We don't do that. Because it's cheating.

Go over to reddit and I'm sure you'll find plenty of people happy to engage, though.

Sorry to come down like a ton of bricks - every time someone suggests, the frustration rises.
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Best images here come from ingame file, not the recording.
 

Allant Doran

Allant Doran
Anthar said:
Best images here come from ingame file, not the recording.
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Yes but we are playing a game by the game's rules. We don't want to instantly know what the answers are. We WANT to figure it out ourselves.
The in-game recording might not be the best but it is good enough to work with.

Again, apologies for seeming a bit blunt, but this is something the community here on this forum desperately wants to avoid doing.
 
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