IIRC we DO have people from NASA working on this problem. Guess what? They are as clueless as we are! For mercy's sake dude! Stop hating on this, take a deep breath and enjoy it. Or go away. All this negativity is seriously messing with my karma.
UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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Everyone has a legitimate opinion. Its theirs. I'm just a lot more graceful in dismissing other people's opinions than others. Focus on solving the mystery and the methods in going it instead of attacking people for their opinions.
Furthering my recent rotate the image idea, I've decided to borrow Cmdr Charybdis' image from
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...7-The-Canonn?p=4269305&viewfull=1#post4269305
Rotate the image clockwise 90 degrees and zoom in a bit at the top, what I was originally looking for were morse code signals, but somehow , I get the hint of letters in the image (maybe its just the human art of looking at random patterns and seeing patterns there that are familer to us)
Its almost as if there are letters and numbers there but they are out of focus somewhat. even using my -4.5 diopter right eye to look at the image gives the hint of letters....
Besides the bits that look like morse too
Bill
<<<just throwing ideas to the wind...
Rotated image here https://www.dropbox.com/s/5up5wdjqu3fghdz/rotated.jpg?dl=0
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...7-The-Canonn?p=4269305&viewfull=1#post4269305
Rotate the image clockwise 90 degrees and zoom in a bit at the top, what I was originally looking for were morse code signals, but somehow , I get the hint of letters in the image (maybe its just the human art of looking at random patterns and seeing patterns there that are familer to us)
Its almost as if there are letters and numbers there but they are out of focus somewhat. even using my -4.5 diopter right eye to look at the image gives the hint of letters....
Besides the bits that look like morse too
Bill
<<<just throwing ideas to the wind...
Rotated image here https://www.dropbox.com/s/5up5wdjqu3fghdz/rotated.jpg?dl=0
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Regardless of the tools used to produce the spectrograms, or the concepts of endianness, or morse or whatever - once we're dealing in pictures and in-game assets/shapes; then everyone can contribute and everyone's voice is equal regardless of their real world phDs, degrees or genius.
It will not be a genius that makes the final breakthrough here - it'll be a free-thinker, unburdened from all the prejudices of the mysteries that have gone before.
By definition, therefore, I know it definitely will not be me - but that's not why I'm here. To help, yes; to solve - no.
Above all - to *share*.
ps. sorry if this is overly dramatic. I'm a couple of IPAs down, and therefore a bit more 'liberated' than usual
Ozric
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I know that is why I said JPL was working on it. The fact it isn't solved by now shows you my point exactly. There is no hate there is just the fact I'm pointing out the futility of some of the extremes people are going to.
I work with narrow minded people like this all the time. They are trying to look at all the tiny little details and getting so overwhelmed with specifics that they can't see the larger simpler solution. In fact they have concept of the bigger picture which usually leads to the correct and most simple solution. Of course being a fan of Sherlock Holmes myself there is the process of elimination which can take time. There is value in the details without a doubt. I just think people are going way too far in trying to crack this.
I mean people are hearing voices in the audio and thinking they are seeing patterns that are not there. Its a serious case of pareidolia! That also being said there probably is more in the audio than we've found. They have a fantastic sound department and it would make sense for them to leverage their skills.
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Hey Ozric - is your name based off the band? They are pretty awesome.
The symbol for earth is in there and appears to have sprouted legs and a helmet. Is earth the key to atomspheric landings and walkabouts?
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The symbol for earth is in there and appears to have sprouted legs and a helmet. Is earth the key to atomspheric landings and walkabouts?
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The symbol for earth is in there and appears to have sprouted legs and a helmet. Is earth the key to atomspheric landings and walkabouts?
There are two things I'd like to do but can't. One is wear Anaglyph 3d glasses while looking at the pic in the newsletter. The other is get rid of the red in the pic and focus on the blue and white, while I'm 99% sure my eyes are playing tricks on me and seeing patterns, shapes, call them what you will.. but I'd love to be sure. I don't own a pair of 3d anything and wouldn't have the slightest idea how to do the colour removal without breaking it somehow.
If anyone has done either of these, I'm sorry I didn't see the post. If anyone wants to do it, just to rule anything out then thanks and please let me / us all know what happens even if nothing at all.
If anyone has done either of these, I'm sorry I didn't see the post. If anyone wants to do it, just to rule anything out then thanks and please let me / us all know what happens even if nothing at all.
A fair point, in and of itself. Of course your opinion is entirely irrelevant to the vast majority of the people who frequent this thread. The majority are here to discuss the problem, offer their most recent conjecture, most likely have it shot down in flames and come back when they've thought another angle. YOU however, just want to bleat on and on about how it shouldn't be this hard, shouldn't be in the game, breaks the game for (in your opinion) the vast majority of players, when the evidence (over 70,000 posts) suggest it is you that is out of touch with the reality of the situation.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion. I'm with that bloke who said "I disagree, but I will defend to the death" etc. But COME ON man! You've said you're not happy with the situation. Who is, right now. Honestly? Probably none of us. But most of us have been here before and know that pretty soon (i.e. within the next 3 months) somebody will stroll in and show us how stupid we have been. Your incessant harping on the same subject, or if you prefer - constant espousing of your opinion - is just getting old now. If you don't like it - go do something else. We'll still be here. Heck, if something truly worthwhile turns up I will personally PM you so's you can get back on board, but for the time being LEAVE IT!
Mike Rhind (don't believe in hiding behind internet anonymity either
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why are you telling someone to go away? are you angry that he touched your toys(which dont even belong to you) or something ? is this how a Mature person acts ? I understand his frustration that there IS something remotley interesting happening in this game which(and lie to yourself as much as you can) is either barebones or most of the content is locked out behind months of grind, most of the things force you to search the internet for anwser on how things work, or having to rely on external sites to find some things that should be showable on the galaxy map/station galactic information center since FTL communication exists. Wings being absolutley wrong(instead of a bonus, you get "penalised" for selling cargo while your "wingmate" is with you, same with bounties...not to mention thats pretty much it for player to player interaction)
but really, That talk is meant for a diffrent thread before even more people will get pointlesly angry
I have a hypothesis, and a testable one. It doesn't even require that much tin-foil. But what it does require is eye-balls, lots of them, or a lot of man-hours. And I really, really can't do it alone. Or I can, but it would be painful and totally defeat the purpose of playing a game.
That all said, if anyone is willing to help with this, I would greatly appreciate it.
I'm going to assume that the UP is trying to tell us something as simply as it can. Because it always points to Merope 5c, and because psychologically, creatures look at the things they want (any dog owners out there willing to contest this point?) I think the UP not only wants us to find something on the surface, it wants us to take it there. Remember that newsletter hint in green that it was the 'key'? I'm taking that literally. There is something down there that only the presence of a UP will activate or unlock.
So the UP, it doesn't know how humans communicate, because if it did it would do so. It doesn't know our language, our means of measuring co-ordinates, our number systems. So anything it does tell us needs to be independent of that. Which brings me to the circle. There's stuff going on around the circle, which may or may not be important. (It probably is important, but it may not be critical.) I can take wild stabs at things, but it's all guesswork on my part. What isn't guesswork, however, is the circle itself and the lines on it. These are things we can measure in whatever system we care to do it in, and from any orientation we take the message to be displayed in.
First lets consider the two normal lines. The way they are displayed, these seem to me to mark a distance along the circle. If the circle were to correspond to Merope 5c, that would give a distance along its surface from some landmark.
The second line, a radius, marks an angle. The faint grid overlaying the circle suggesting that it's actually a sphere even helpfully includes a pair of prominent, intersecting lines to help us measure the angle. And while we don't know which one to measure from, we just need one and then it's trivial to scale the measurement to any another as necessary.
Two pieces of information, that's all we need to specify a point on the surface, so long as we have a coordinate system. I'm guessing that what the symbols surrounding the circle are all about, but I still can't make heads or tails of them. So lets instead come up with the simplest coordinate system we can. Since the planet rotates along one axis, let's use Merope 5c's poles as one point of reference. This naturally leads to a system of latitude. For longitude, we need to arrive at a consensus for some arbitrary line to serve as our starting line. There is one huge crater on Merope 5c, we could run the line through that. But the crater is large, and do we choose the middle, or one edge, or what? Merope 5c is tidally locked to Merope 5, so the projection of the line where Merope 5 is directly overhead could also serve as a meridian. If I were a UP, I'd consider the line marked by Merope 5 a better candidate, for the simple reason that as unlikely as it may be, in principle a big space rock could come crashing down on Merope 5c and wipe away my landmark. (That said, if using Merope 5 turns up nothing, we can always revisit this assumption.)
Since the angle marked by the two normals seems to indicate a distance, this naturally better corresponds to latitude, as longitude lines are spaced more closer together the nearer they are to one of the poles. And since measuring anything using the UP's message is somewhat inexact, there will be a small error value associated with the measurement. My best efforts give me:
Lat0 = 27.5 +/- 2.0 degrees.
The radius line I measured against the nearest axis line giving the wider angle, giving me:
Long0 = 50.0 +/- 1.0 degrees.
I took some stabs at the Merope 5 meridian, but MadDogMurdock has already christened it the Murdock Meridian, so I figured I'd average his measurements and use that:
MM = -117.3 +/- 0.5 degrees
Unfortunately we don't know what direction from the meridian to travel from, which axis to measure the angle from, or which pole to take the latitude from. Again, the symbols surrounding the circle may greatly help narrow things down here. Also, the errors involved necessarily transform checking out one lat/long co-ordinate pair into searching a large area. But perhaps Frontier designed this whole endeavour to be a group effort on our part. In which case, with enough people, we can simply check all the options. Using the above numbers, I get the following search areas:
Zone 01. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: -65.8 to -68.8 degrees (AnotherVoice)
Zone 02. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: 26.2 to 29.3 degrees
Zone 03. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: 111.2 to 114.2 degrees
Zone 04. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: -155.8 to -158.8 degrees
Zone 05. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: -165.8 to -168.8 degrees
Zone 06. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: 101.2 to 104.2 degrees
Zone 07. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: 11.2 to 14.2 degrees
Zone 08. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: -75.8 to -78.8 degrees
Zone 09. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: -65.8 to -68.8 degrees
Zone 10. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: 26.2 to 29.3 degrees (Vurt)
Zone 11. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: 111.2 to 114.2 degrees
Zone 12. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: -155.8 to -158.8 degrees (Vurt)
Zone 13. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: -165.8 to -168.8 degrees (Vurt)
Zone 14. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: 101.2 to 104.2 degrees (Vurt)
Zone 15. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: 11.2 to 14.2 degrees
Zone 16. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: -75.8 to -78.8 degrees
While this is a lot of ground to cover, on the plus side it is also a lot less than the entirety of the surface of Merope 5c! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Any suggestions or observations, doubly so.
That all said, if anyone is willing to help with this, I would greatly appreciate it.
I'm going to assume that the UP is trying to tell us something as simply as it can. Because it always points to Merope 5c, and because psychologically, creatures look at the things they want (any dog owners out there willing to contest this point?) I think the UP not only wants us to find something on the surface, it wants us to take it there. Remember that newsletter hint in green that it was the 'key'? I'm taking that literally. There is something down there that only the presence of a UP will activate or unlock.
So the UP, it doesn't know how humans communicate, because if it did it would do so. It doesn't know our language, our means of measuring co-ordinates, our number systems. So anything it does tell us needs to be independent of that. Which brings me to the circle. There's stuff going on around the circle, which may or may not be important. (It probably is important, but it may not be critical.) I can take wild stabs at things, but it's all guesswork on my part. What isn't guesswork, however, is the circle itself and the lines on it. These are things we can measure in whatever system we care to do it in, and from any orientation we take the message to be displayed in.
First lets consider the two normal lines. The way they are displayed, these seem to me to mark a distance along the circle. If the circle were to correspond to Merope 5c, that would give a distance along its surface from some landmark.
The second line, a radius, marks an angle. The faint grid overlaying the circle suggesting that it's actually a sphere even helpfully includes a pair of prominent, intersecting lines to help us measure the angle. And while we don't know which one to measure from, we just need one and then it's trivial to scale the measurement to any another as necessary.
Two pieces of information, that's all we need to specify a point on the surface, so long as we have a coordinate system. I'm guessing that what the symbols surrounding the circle are all about, but I still can't make heads or tails of them. So lets instead come up with the simplest coordinate system we can. Since the planet rotates along one axis, let's use Merope 5c's poles as one point of reference. This naturally leads to a system of latitude. For longitude, we need to arrive at a consensus for some arbitrary line to serve as our starting line. There is one huge crater on Merope 5c, we could run the line through that. But the crater is large, and do we choose the middle, or one edge, or what? Merope 5c is tidally locked to Merope 5, so the projection of the line where Merope 5 is directly overhead could also serve as a meridian. If I were a UP, I'd consider the line marked by Merope 5 a better candidate, for the simple reason that as unlikely as it may be, in principle a big space rock could come crashing down on Merope 5c and wipe away my landmark. (That said, if using Merope 5 turns up nothing, we can always revisit this assumption.)
Since the angle marked by the two normals seems to indicate a distance, this naturally better corresponds to latitude, as longitude lines are spaced more closer together the nearer they are to one of the poles. And since measuring anything using the UP's message is somewhat inexact, there will be a small error value associated with the measurement. My best efforts give me:
Lat0 = 27.5 +/- 2.0 degrees.
The radius line I measured against the nearest axis line giving the wider angle, giving me:
Long0 = 50.0 +/- 1.0 degrees.
I took some stabs at the Merope 5 meridian, but MadDogMurdock has already christened it the Murdock Meridian, so I figured I'd average his measurements and use that:
MM = -117.3 +/- 0.5 degrees
Unfortunately we don't know what direction from the meridian to travel from, which axis to measure the angle from, or which pole to take the latitude from. Again, the symbols surrounding the circle may greatly help narrow things down here. Also, the errors involved necessarily transform checking out one lat/long co-ordinate pair into searching a large area. But perhaps Frontier designed this whole endeavour to be a group effort on our part. In which case, with enough people, we can simply check all the options. Using the above numbers, I get the following search areas:
Zone 01. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: -65.8 to -68.8 degrees (AnotherVoice)
Zone 02. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: 26.2 to 29.3 degrees
Zone 03. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: 111.2 to 114.2 degrees
Zone 04. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: -155.8 to -158.8 degrees
Zone 05. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: -165.8 to -168.8 degrees
Zone 06. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: 101.2 to 104.2 degrees
Zone 07. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: 11.2 to 14.2 degrees
Zone 08. Lat: 60.5 to 64.5 degrees, Long: -75.8 to -78.8 degrees
Zone 09. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: -65.8 to -68.8 degrees
Zone 10. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: 26.2 to 29.3 degrees (Vurt)
Zone 11. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: 111.2 to 114.2 degrees
Zone 12. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: -155.8 to -158.8 degrees (Vurt)
Zone 13. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: -165.8 to -168.8 degrees (Vurt)
Zone 14. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: 101.2 to 104.2 degrees (Vurt)
Zone 15. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: 11.2 to 14.2 degrees
Zone 16. Lat: -60.5 to -64.5 degrees, Long: -75.8 to -78.8 degrees
While this is a lot of ground to cover, on the plus side it is also a lot less than the entirety of the surface of Merope 5c! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Any suggestions or observations, doubly so.
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thanks
Ozric
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Seen them loads, had a smoke with Jon the old flutist at Glastonbury one year. Great days.I'll come and help. As it happens I'm nearby. I will have to shoot of and get an SRV, but otherwise, just let me know where and when
Good idea. I have anaglyph 3d glasses I keep on my desk here, and used them to view the image in the newsletter as you suggest.
IMO, the red image is pretty poor looking, but still usable.
The blue does look fantastically clean, and does show some interesting details. Most of the improved detail seems to be in the lower (bass) frequencies.
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I'll come and help. As it happens I'm nearby. I will have to shoot of and get an SRV, but otherwise, just let me know where and when
I can probably help too, i'm going to Merope right now.
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I'll come and help. As it happens I'm nearby. I will have to shoot of and get an SRV, but otherwise, just let me know where and when
Much obliged, sir!
If anyone wants to help out, just pick a zone. They are large and will take time, but by that token it's easy to miss things, so if multiple people search an area and find nothing, that just makes it more likely that there's actually nothing there to find. When you finish, PM me and I'll go back and edit my post indicating such. I'm currently doing zone 13, an auspicious start I know...
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