UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[BluWolve]

Wow. Reading through the Newgrange stuff, one thing kept popping into my head.

I'm not sure if anyone here is familiar with the formadine rift mystery, if not check this thread out -

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...midine-Rift-(Part-3)?highlight=formadine+rift

Firstly I want to say I am working under the belief that both the rift and the UA/UP/Barnies are both related and tie in together (May MB strike me down if this is incorrect).

Reading about these ancient structures and how the light does amazing things at specific times, it triggered some memories of Kahina, and some particular articles and wording. I copy the below from the rift thread and have underlined the words I believe to be have relevance.

Year 3301:

Feb 9th: Prism Senator Courts Controversy Again!
Kahina's going to Sol. Gets interdicted by unknown ships. Doesn't like being late.

Mar 6th: Prism Senator will not be late, not even slightly
Docking at Mars. Causes a commotion at Mars High. Doesn’t like being late.

Mar 27th: Alliance Shines Light on Prism Senator
Alliance representatives from Alioth have extended an invitation for her to visit their star-systems

Apr 2nd: Prism Senator Returns to Empire
She returns to the Empire and states in an interview with the Sol Herald that her trip to Sol had been ‘most enlightening’ and that the officials at Mars High were neither ‘friends or rivals’


All this talk about not wanting to be late in Feb-March, wanting to observe something in Sol, and speaking of light and "enlightening"... Could this be somehow related...? Not entirely sure what it would mean but it is interesting coincidence in my opinion. Thoughts?

 

[CMDR Davanix]

Wow. Reading through the Newgrange stuff, one thing kept popping into my head.

I'm not sure if anyone here is familiar with the formadine rift mystery, if not check this thread out -

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...midine-Rift-(Part-3)?highlight=formadine+rift

Firstly I want to say I am working under the belief that both the rift and the UA/UP/Barnies are both related and tie in together (May MB strike me down if this is incorrect).

Reading about these ancient structures and how the light does amazing things at specific times, it triggered some memories of Kahina, and some particular articles and wording. I copy the below from the rift thread and have underlined the words I believe to be have relevance.

Year 3301:

Feb 9th: Prism Senator Courts Controversy Again!
Kahina's going to Sol. Gets interdicted by unknown ships. Doesn't like being late.

Mar 6th: Prism Senator will not be late, not even slightly
Docking at Mars. Causes a commotion at Mars High. Doesn’t like being late.

Mar 27th: Alliance Shines Light on Prism Senator
Alliance representatives from Alioth have extended an invitation for her to visit their star-systems

Apr 2nd: Prism Senator Returns to Empire
She returns to the Empire and states in an interview with the Sol Herald that her trip to Sol had been ‘most enlightening’ and that the officials at Mars High were neither ‘friends or rivals’


All this talk about not wanting to be late in Feb-March, wanting to observe something in Sol, and speaking of light and "enlightening"... Could this be somehow related...? Not entirely sure what it would mean but it is interesting coincidence in my opinion. Thoughts?

Stonehenge faces the spring/summer solstace i think. And Nasa discovered a few years back that a rock formation on mars beared strange wierd resemblelance to stonhenge that kind of links it xD right im going asleep thinfoil is needed

 

[HBosch]

Absolutely impressed by peoples imagination and invention. No matter what the puzzle answer may be, its a real pleasure to see how such a simple symbol can generate so many clever workable theories. Whist there is only one answer there are a million clever puzzles that could be made by aspects the forum has highlighted. Well done all. I raise my tin foil hat in respect.

 

[John Stoutbeard]

MB has already said the UP puzzle is "space-based" on another thread. I already wasted a lot of time looking at the surface too but evidently that's been put to rest. They wanted to make the puzzle something any player could deal with (not just Horizons people).

Sorry, Brass Monkey authorities has to step in here.
MB has not said that.
Next time LINK to a MB statement instead of paraphrasing your own interpretation

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=4283576

Thanks, would it be correct to say that the current problem can be solved by players with any version of the game?

The UAs and UPs are space based, other aspects can involve the surface.

Michael

Now what he means by that is still open for interpretation.
He's in fact very diplomatic, due to the fact they also need to have something for the Horizons owners. Quite understandably.

My interpretation:
- First stages with the UA/UP can in fact be be discovered by space-based activities. Can it be solved? Possibly, but may be very hard to do so - or perhaps not completely.
- The next stages / getting more clues may involve surface activities.

IMHO: Unfortunately you cannot exclude surface activities to solve the *whole package*, relying on the space based activities may not get us there in time.

 

[Vitamin Arrr]

OK for all those who are only counting the "purrs" in the audio recording of the UP on Merope's surface, here is why I think you're ignoring some information. I've created a spectral analysis of the sound focusing on the area which has the purrs and chirps (omitting higher frequencies, ONLY for the purposes of this discussion, but not to say they're not also relevant).

First, here is a basic diagram to understand what you will be seeing:

Spoiler

HONKS: The honks come in two kinds, "backwards" and "forwards" that alternate. The first one is a "forwards" and the second one is a "backwards" and so on. The honk/cry is a series of musical notes played with some echoey effects.

CHORDS: The "chords" are different after each honk. There seem to be 3 different chords (maybe 4 sometimes?) between each of the honks. They are not the same every time. This could be significant. I can't see why we should ignore them. I have not conducted a full analysis of the sequence of the chords.

CHIRPS: The chirps are obviously binary in nature. They seem to come in sets of three, four, or five. Sometimes they overlap with the purrs, sometimes they don't.

PURRS: There are 10 sets of five purrs that come in low and high forms. In the speeded-up version of the audio it's easier to tell which is which. However, the eighth honk overlaps with one of the purrs, causing people who listened to only the speeded-up audio not to hear that purr, and thus, they thought there was a group of four purrs. However if you listen to the audio at normal speed you can clearly hear the there's a purr overlapping with a honk. The typical time delay between purrs is between 9-13 seconds at normal speed.

And now for the full image. Warning, the full image file linked below is 24,144 pixels wide!

Spoiler

Lastly here is the image with the spectrum limited to 3x the frequency of the hydrogen line. I believe this version shows all the relevant channels of information, including the "triple waveform" and the top notes of the chords (sometimes they go kinda high).

Spoiler

 

[crushdepth]

Does it bother anyone else that the lower line protruding from the bottom left hand quadrant of the image is not quite pointing directly at the center of the sphere? The higher line is almost a perfect 90 degrees to the tangent that it creates with the sphere, but the bottom one is about 10 degrees off as far as I can tell.

Why wouldn't you encode them both with perfect 90 degrees to the tangents?

This is the problem with trying to read angles from this image, it's hard to tell exactly how accurate it's meant to be.

Trying to measure precise angles or measurements off the image is not really possible. The image was encoded into audio frequencies by its makers, transmitted at some sample rate, recorded at a possibly different sample rate (though very good), subjected to a wide variety of filtering and noise removal, and viewed as a variety of different spectrogrammes some of which skew or display the image differently. Then people are overlaying protractor images (how accurate are those?) or printing it out and physically measuring it.

If there are precise measurements or numbers to be had from the image (and there may well be), practically speaking they would have to be derived from some geometric property of the image (for example we could take the quadrants to represent precise pi/2 markers, the other lines may also represent precise divisions of a circle or quadrant that we could turn into precise numbers).

 

[Belthize]

PURRS: There are 10 sets of five purrs that come in low and high forms. In the speeded-up version of the audio it's easier to tell which is which. However, the eighth honk overlaps with one of the purrs, causing people who listened to only the speeded-up audio not to hear that purr, and thus, they thought there was a group of four purrs. However if you listen to the audio at normal speed you can clearly hear the there's a purr overlapping with a honk. The typical time delay between purrs is between 9-13 seconds at normal speed.

Good catch on the bit hidden between the 7th and 8th stanza. Not sure which audio recording you're listening too, it looks mostly the same but the one I have has an 11th stanza (which is unique so not repeating) and a cropped 12th. The first 7 stanzas and the 11th stanza have 5 bits, the 8th and 10th have 6 and the 9th has 4. The 5 bits per stanza suggests letters at some level but the 6 and 4 bit stanzas scream 'HA fooled you'.

I've spent a fair amount of time looking at the chirps, there's a pattern but it repeats and is too short to encode a lot of info. I've not made heads or tails of the chord bit, part of me thinks 'background filler', part of me is reticent to ignore any data.

We really really need more recordings.

Another point: The bit patterns really bother me. Any sufficiently long bit stream really ought to eventually show all valid sub-patterns. Yet 000 or 111 never shows up, even in the one hour audio. Taking them as 3 bit samples gives 6 of the posslble 8 values, taking them as 4 or 5 bit samples just gets worse in terms of under representation and taking them as 2 bit samples is only slightly less boring than taking them as 1 bit samples. So why is the bit stream so under represtantaitve of all the possible permutations. It can't simply be letters, for instance 00111 is perfectly valid letter yet it never shows up, nor does 01110 or 01111. Plus there's nothing like a stop bit (that's why binary morse encodes dit as 1 and dash as 111 with 0 as a separator). I feel like if I could come up with a good reason for the under representation I'd have a clue in how to tackle the data.

 

[Vitamin Arrr]

Good catch on the bit hidden between the 7th and 8th stanza. Not sure which audio recording you're listening too, it looks mostly the same but the one I have has an 11th stanza (which is unique so not repeating) and a cropped 12th. The first 7 stanzas and the 11th stanza have 5 bits, the 8th and 10th have 6 and the 9th has 4. The 5 bits per stanza suggests letters at some level but the 6 and 4 bit stanzas scream 'HA fooled you'.

I've spent a fair amount of time looking at the chirps, there's a pattern but it repeats and is too short to encode a lot of info. I've not made heads or tails of the chord bit, part of me thinks 'background filler', part of me is reticent to ignore any data.

We really really need more recordings.

The binary of the purrs does repeat after the 10th stanza. However the chords are different at that point. But I think if we include past the tenth stanza then we are past the announced time limit of the message as of 2.1.05.

Also I think your count is off. Stanzas 8 and 9 that you say are six and four, are really just five and five, because the stanzas do not align precisely between the whale songs as has been assumed. I.e. they are not stanzas at all. Also, the tenth one has five, by my count. (The first one partially overlaps with the honk, near the end of the honk. The pattern of the tenth is - - _ _ -.)

Actually, the 7-minute mark is at the end of the eigth stanza before its last purr!

So, only seven stanzas fit into the new message lenth. Was this recording made prior to 2.1.05? Or do we crop it down to 35 bits? QQ

 

[StaticAwesome]

MB said something about Jacques "Being stuffed with UAs" didn't help his jump, has anyone noticed any changes in multiples of either the UAs or the UPs? Maybe they transmit more information the more you have nearby? Or maybe jumping with enough of them triggers a jump somewhere special?

 

[CMDR AridKillzone]

Absolutely impressed by peoples imagination and invention. No matter what the puzzle answer may be, its a real pleasure to see how such a simple symbol can generate so many clever workable theories. Whist there is only one answer there are a million clever puzzles that could be made by aspects the forum has highlighted. Well done all. I raise my tin foil hat in respect.

Don't do it! That's how "They" get you!!

 

[Toxophilist.]

MB said something about Jacques "Being stuffed with UAs" didn't help his jump, has anyone noticed any changes in multiples of either the UAs or the UPs? Maybe they transmit more information the more you have nearby? Or maybe jumping with enough of them triggers a jump somewhere special?

Maybe get 3142 of them in the large crater on Merope 5c and get them to do a 2001 Jupiter kind of thing? That'd be a sight to see.

 

[Anubite]

I don't like the FDev comments, to be honest. It's like the aliens are talking to us and trying to help us solve their mystery.

I'll be especially displeased if the comments clearly influenced someone to solve the riddle.

 

[Belthize]

The binary of the purrs does repeat after the 10th stanza. However the chords are different at that point. But I think if we include past the tenth stanza then we are past the announced time limit of the message as of 2.1.05.

Also I think your count is off. Stanzas 8 and 9 that you say are six and four, are really just five and five, because the stanzas do not align precisely between the whale songs as has been assumed. I.e. they are not stanzas at all. Also, the tenth one has five, by my count. (The first one partially overlaps with the honk, near the end of the honk. The pattern of the tenth is - - _ _ -.)

We can certainly ignore the honks and just take them 5 at a time, at which point yes the 11th is a repeat of 1. It may be that it has a strong 5 bit pattern initially as a hint and then breaks that pattern so we realize the honks aren't really delimiters. I modified my post you quoted with one of the things that's really bothering me about this interpretation though. I'll repeat it here:

Another point: The bit patterns really bother me. Any sufficiently long bit stream really ought to eventually show all valid sub-patterns. Yet 000 or 111 never shows up, even in the one hour audio. Taking them as 3 bit samples gives 6 of the posslble 8 values, taking them as 4 or 5 bit samples just gets worse in terms of under representation and taking them as 2 bit samples is only slightly less boring than taking them as 1 bit samples. So why is the bit stream so under represtantaitve of all the possible permutations. It can't simply be letters, for instance 00111 is perfectly valid letter yet it never shows up, nor does 01110 or 01111. Plus there's nothing like a stop bit (that's why binary morse encodes dit as 1 and dash as 111 with 0 as a separator). I feel like if I could come up with a good reason for the under representation I'd have a clue in how to tackle the data.

I transcribed the one hour audio, and it strongly suggests the honks aren't a delimiter since you end up with 9 to 18 bit stanzas. But not once do you see a 000 or 111. That's statistically very unlikely unless it's repeating a relatively short pattern. I've only got the bit stream transcribed, I still have to do the 5 bit sampling to see if it repeats. I'm less troubled by the missing 000 or 111 if it repeats.

 

[ilo]

I don't like the FDev comments, to be honest. It's like the aliens are talking to us and trying to help us solve their mystery.

I'll be especially displeased if the comments clearly influenced someone to solve the riddle.

right. except the question/answer about where were barnacles located, MB has done an amazing job in sending ambiguous messages to make sure he doesn't spoil anything.

if you can find any other message (not the barnacles one) providing a clear lead to anything I'd understand your position, but at this point I don't think you can say this has happened yet.

 

[CMDR AridKillzone]

You guys can rest your theories about the barnacle symbols. I'm pretty sure I got it right here. And *select Orion stars are pointed out by the symbol*. That's how I knew it really fit, and I had to screenshot Barnard's Loop from a very specific place...

 

[ilo]

You guys can rest your theories about the barnacle symbols. I'm pretty sure I got it right here. And *select Orion stars are pointed out by the symbol*. That's how I knew it really fit, and I had to screenshot Barnard's Loop from a very specific place...

[url]http://i63.tinypic.com/25kr78x.jpg[/url]

but, have you found anything there? how can you be sure you are not in the opposite side of the Barnard's

 

[Belthize]

but, have you found anything there? how can you be sure you are not in the opposite side of the Barnard's

Plus the inverted overlay of the large Magellenic cloud is by the best fit I've ever seen. If I had to pick I'd say that was it, then again it's kind of useless because there's not enough jumponium in the universe for that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...cation_of_emblem_on_top_of_barnacle_has_been/

And now we can put that horse back to rest.

 

[CMDR AridKillzone]

but, have you found anything there? how can you be sure you are not in the opposite side of the Barnard's

I haven't *found* anything there yet, I'm working on that. And if I took the screenshot of Barnard's Loop from the back side, the curved bit in the middle would be facing the wrong way. Plus the Orionis stars would not fit. I've studied this for quite some time.

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Plus the inverted overlay of the large Magellenic cloud is by the best fit I've ever seen. If I had to pick I'd say that was it, then again it's kind of useless because there's not enough jumponium in the universe for that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...cation_of_emblem_on_top_of_barnacle_has_been/

And now we can put that horse back to rest.

The LMC overlay looks nice and very convincing, but the stars line up, making me believe wholeheartedly that this has got to be it.

 

[Atebits]

See the fact newgrange and all the other henges pre date the pyramids along with the devs being from england with stonehenge being newgranges english equiv it just seems righ along with all the other relevent information about the sirius mystery (Which everyone knows in Elite they are also a mysterios crowd of nutters) then we have the sun dial and newgranges winter solstace lining up with the up image the two lines pointing at kerb stones that show pleides and VV Orionis and a few more like sirius etc. along with FD saying winter is coming....Winter solstace is coming and the barnys logos representing what looks like overtop henge drawing that nobody knows even on earth why they where formed.

Like im not saying im right this could be a huge coincidence but it all makes logical sence and is a bit to narrow to push aside ut its 3:30am and my brain is literly shot so im going to bed lol

Night everyone this is the 3rd time showing this theory i wonder howlong before it gets shot down or doesnt exist again xD

Oh! I imagine there's more than a lot of what you're saying. My reservations are those of someone who put far too much time into the mathematics of old things like that and the anxieties of dealing with the consequences.

Seriously, word of advice. Never ever approach a mathematician (or really anyone of the Sciences either) with a study of religious sites unless they've got a BA as well as . They'll think you're a complete nutter because they have so overspecialized their arrogance crawled right up their bum and ejected their brains!


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Tested
Failed

HOWEVER:
Davanix is corrected in principle
2016 - 8 - 6

 

[Vent]

Hello CMDRs. My name is CMDR Vent Aileron. I am in posession of an Unknown Probe and I have been doing experiments with them. You can find the data I have recorded in this post. I don't analyze my data; I only perform experiments and record them and leave the analysis to other capable minds.

If you have any suggestions for an experiment, you can PM me about them. Note that due to the scarcity of the probes, I will only perform experiments that are promising, have a low chance of losing the probe, or both. By requesting an experiment you agree that the data of the experiment and your name will be made public to the whole community.

Have UP?: Yes

All recordings

Unknown Probe idle sound Merope deep space 6 minutes recording
Video
Audio only

Unknown Probe idle sound NGC 2546 Sector CR-U D3-29 (random system) 3 minutes triple take (no honk, no honk, honk)
Video
Audio only

Unknown Probe wailing test NGC 2546 Sector CR-U D3-29 A 1 (landfall planet), UP wailed
Video
Audio only
Screenshot of planet

Unknown Probe wailing test NGC 2546 Sector CR-U D3-29 deep space, UP did not wail
Video
Audio only

Unknown Probe wailing test NGC 2546 Sector CR-U D3-29 A 2 (non-landfall planet), UP wailed, UP lost due to disconnection
Video
Audio only
Screenshot of planet

Unknown Probe as discovery scanner (Dreadp1r4te's theory) test Preae Theia RT-Z D13-7 (Lonely star)
Video
Audio
Screenshot of system


Greetings from the Children of Raxxla.