Yeah I looked and marked those to go take a look out there. Pipe and bowl or something. Not too far away from the bubble either.
UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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Yeah I looked and marked those to go take a look out there. Pipe and bowl or something. Not too far away from the bubble either.
Thanks for the upload. For some reason I can't use the .wav file. It tells me it's corrupted when trying to download it, so I used the sound from the video.
The first noticable purr is at 23 seconds as far as I can tell, and the classified enhanced sound doesn't start until almost a minute into the recording. If anyone can hear anything let me know. Here are two different transcripts with different symbolics.
1. - = High, l = Low. (I believe RiZ@L usually does the opposite, that follows below)
l l - l - - l l - l l - l l - - l - l l - - l - - l l - l - - l - l - l - l l - - l l - l l - - l l - - l l - l - l l - - l - l l -
2. l = high, - = Low
- - l - l l - - l - - l - - l l - l - - l l - l l - - l - l l - l - l - l - - l l - - l - - l l - - l l - - l - l - - l l - l - - l
So there are 66 purrs in the sequence and NO HONKS! The latter is definetely interesting, to me atleast. That means there is another way to differentiate between sequences. Below I have tried to note the times between each purr. It fluctuates a bit, but maybe this can be used for a pattern. Remember, this is spacing between the purrs, so there will only be 64 of them, and they are approximated to nearest 1/2 second.
8.0 9.5 6.5 6.0 4.0 4.5 6.5 5.0 4.5 3.5 3.0 5.0 6.0 5.0 6.5 5.5 6.0 6.5 8.0 7.0 4.0 6.5 4.0 4.0 5.0 6.0 5.5 5.5 6.0 4.0 6.0 6.5 6.0 6.5 6.5 6.0 4.5 5.0 3.5 5.0 6.5 7.0 6.0 4.0 6.5 4.5 4.0 4.0 5.0 6.0 6.0 6.5 4.5 6.0 4.0 5.5 7.0 6.0 6.5 4.0 4.0 5.5 6.5 6.0
I really can't see a pattern here, as the times fluctuate between 3.0 and 8.0 seconds. I also can't spot a repeating pattern in the purrs either.
Be advised though, we are missing about 17 seconds of audio from release until first clear purr is heard (I believe there is a LOW at around 14 seconds, but I can't be sure whether there is something in between due to the thrusters). As the first clear purr is at 0:23 seconds and it is scooped at 6:28 we should have a full set of 6 minutes. The UP also had 6% life left when scooped as far as I could tell. We do however not have any real proof of the signal repeating itself, as the closest we can get is that the last three are the first three, which would fit if the LOW at 14 seconds is the only one before that.
I do believe we need a longer recording of a Free Floater, to make sure there is a repeating pattern here. Another option would be to set up a second commander 150m(?) below the one with the UP and be ready in Classified Cam Mode to record. This will take some trial and error though.
I have purposefully ignored the chirps. Someone else can transcribe those
EDIT: Missed a page of intervals between purrs. Added
EDIT 2: Graph showing intervals between Purrs
Thanks a million CMDR!
The no HOWLS thing happened to me as well many times in space when I had the UA. I reported it here. To be honest I cannot remember hearing the honks at all when in space. Never. But I'm not 100% sure.
The fact that the UP is still been recorded on surface bothers me for that reason.
I'll check your transcript later, but please note that 66 is divisible by 3
Thanks again
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Although you might get a pretty accurate result from letting a large number of people guess, "pretty accurate" is way to inaccurate to determine specific locations on a planet or even galaxy scale. Hence it is very unlikely that we need to derive any form of numbers from the "sound picture", due to the margin of error being way to high.
The problem is that I have no idea what this is. A slightly odd biscuit is most likely, but it could also be some kind of focusing crystal?
Please help.
It looks familiar to me for some reason, but I can't fathom why.
Also the best biscuits come in packs.
good info but omg lets not start calling them "honks".
Honks are when you push the button on the DS. It doesn't matter what we call any of this as long as we don't start calling two different things the same word!
I found it on July 23 (real-life time) in Ross 47. Convoy Disperal Pattern (Threat 4) with a Military Transport Python as usual. It was on the Shipping Lane between the main star and the closest station (An outpost). I was in solo mode, so I was the only one in the 'wing'. My ranks are Deadly in combat, Elite in trading, Pioneer in Exploration and Amateur in Arena. Any other additional info...hmm. I flew a heavily engineered Corvette. And...well I guess I didn't expect the NPC pirates in the UP convoy scenario to spawn that fast. I barely finished my cargo scan before they spawned and engaged the convoy. I was planning to use them as decoys and I did. The Python boosted away from his escorts when I engaged it, leaving me 1vs1 with it, which meant that I didn't need to tank the whole convoy, which was nice. I used hatch breakers to get the UP out of the Python. The Python had two Point Defences, so it might be a good idea to get a high grade hatch breaker controller that can fire multiple limpets at the same time. The one I had could control 5 at the same time I believe and it worked. Needed 2 successful hatch breaking attempts with that to get the UP to drop.
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Divisible with 3, but still no certain start of the sequence. I'll leave that to you thoughI'll check your transcript later, but please note that 66 is divisible by 3
EDIT: Forgot to add. The point about no HONKS in space really emphasizes the statement by MB about the UPs being "space based." So, with that in mind, we should avoid sound recordings on planet surfaces atleast. Other experiments are still valid, but for sounds that should be space...unless it suddenly gives off a completely unknown sound on a planet surface ofcourse
Thanks for the info! Will add it to the spreadsheet!
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It seems we'll be on BBC tv soon
A tv program called Click, whose presenter is an ED fan, will be talking about us and using our videos and recordings.
I've shared with them the link to this mega thread, and invited the presenter to science with us!
This is super cool news
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We really think it will help, when we can find out, what the UA and the UP have in common, what connects them and what their purpose is. Entomogant and i came up with a theory a few days ago and we continue from our previous thesis, even if it was partly wrong from the orbital mechanics side.
We have found the secrets of both known units. The UA scans ships and systems and transmits the gathered data via morse code. The UP carries a hidden visual message and is capable of delivering a powerful pulse. They both are connected with Merope, with the UA pointing at the system and the UP at a specific planetary body inside the system. They are definitely searching for something very specific in that system.
How are the two connected with each other? I take a wild guess here and assume that the chambers on the rear end of the artifacts are sort of breeding chambers for the probes. Once an artifact discovers a possible candidate world, the probes are being ejected.
Lets take intercepted messages from federal convoys into account as well, saying they are delivering UPs or better NHE-xxx (probably meaning Non-Human Entity) for orbital testing. The Feds seem to be aware, the the UP will do something from orbit.
Both the artifact and the probe lack any form of sublight propulsion, so they have to rely on help from other species like us, to fulfill their task. We assume, that they want us to find their secrets, so they present us every bit of information as soon as possible. So the picture found is the actual message and nothing more.
The probe is also not built for ground operation. Therefore the message/map does not point towards a specific point on the surface of Merope 5c, another system or part of the galaxy, but to a specific section of Merope 5cs orbit, from where the UP can operate and complete its task.
We have to position the probe in a specific orbit around Merope 5c and activate it, to help it in that task. There are two or three other „orbital theories“ around here. In our opinion, we should concentrate our endeavors towards this.
Entomogant says, that the UAs are found only in a specific radius around the Merope system, while barnacles are discovered all over the galaxy, mostly or exclusively inside nebulae. Both the probes and the artifacts emit a strange form of radiation, that can damage ships and is visible with the bare eye. The barnacles dont have such effect.
This leads to the assumption, that we are not even looking at the same species here… the barnacles might be something desired by the UA/UPs. We should be sure, not delivering one of the possible species to sort of a genocide through the other species (or even through us). Do we want to activate it? We dont know what will spawn out of that action and we should be more aware about what is actually going on here, before doing something really stupid.
I´d like to recommend reading this "theory by FrogsFriend" as well.
We have found the secrets of both known units. The UA scans ships and systems and transmits the gathered data via morse code. The UP carries a hidden visual message and is capable of delivering a powerful pulse. They both are connected with Merope, with the UA pointing at the system and the UP at a specific planetary body inside the system. They are definitely searching for something very specific in that system.
How are the two connected with each other? I take a wild guess here and assume that the chambers on the rear end of the artifacts are sort of breeding chambers for the probes. Once an artifact discovers a possible candidate world, the probes are being ejected.
Lets take intercepted messages from federal convoys into account as well, saying they are delivering UPs or better NHE-xxx (probably meaning Non-Human Entity) for orbital testing. The Feds seem to be aware, the the UP will do something from orbit.
Both the artifact and the probe lack any form of sublight propulsion, so they have to rely on help from other species like us, to fulfill their task. We assume, that they want us to find their secrets, so they present us every bit of information as soon as possible. So the picture found is the actual message and nothing more.
The probe is also not built for ground operation. Therefore the message/map does not point towards a specific point on the surface of Merope 5c, another system or part of the galaxy, but to a specific section of Merope 5cs orbit, from where the UP can operate and complete its task.
We have to position the probe in a specific orbit around Merope 5c and activate it, to help it in that task. There are two or three other „orbital theories“ around here. In our opinion, we should concentrate our endeavors towards this.
Entomogant says, that the UAs are found only in a specific radius around the Merope system, while barnacles are discovered all over the galaxy, mostly or exclusively inside nebulae. Both the probes and the artifacts emit a strange form of radiation, that can damage ships and is visible with the bare eye. The barnacles dont have such effect.
This leads to the assumption, that we are not even looking at the same species here… the barnacles might be something desired by the UA/UPs. We should be sure, not delivering one of the possible species to sort of a genocide through the other species (or even through us). Do we want to activate it? We dont know what will spawn out of that action and we should be more aware about what is actually going on here, before doing something really stupid.
I´d like to recommend reading this "theory by FrogsFriend" as well.
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It seems we'll be on BBC tv soon
A tv program called Click, whose presenter is an ED fan, will be talking about us and using our videos and recordings.
I've shared with them the link to this mega thread, and invited the presenter to science with us!
BBC, eh...
(First image is the BBC's first test card. Second image is...theirs?)
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It seems we'll be on BBC tv soon
A tv program called Click, whose presenter is an ED fan, will be talking about us and using our videos and recordings.
I've shared with them the link to this mega thread, and invited the presenter to science with us!
That will be Kate?
Hey all,
Anyone know if we have or if its possible to produce a topographical map of a planet in Elite? namely Merope 5c?
Anyone know if we have or if its possible to produce a topographical map of a planet in Elite? namely Merope 5c?
Or this map can be nothing more than a reflection of the ship's systems that scanned it. It just triggered the scan by the honk and its representing information about our ships discovery scanner?
I have been following this thread as best as I can and consulting the post on the first page; if I am repeating or regurgitating anything already tried and discounted I apologize. In the spirit of upfront disclosure my observations are coloured by some assumptions which are substantiated by nothing more than "gut feeling" rather than hard science. This of course can result in "solutions" which get shoehorned to fit the preconceptions ... I have tried to avoid that as best as I can. On with the wall o' text.
My instincts agree with the view that the graphic denotes something on Merope 5C; specifically a location on the surface. The behavour of the UP 'pointing' at this specific body would be quite an accident otherwise. So this instinct is what is mostly colouring my interpretation of the graphic but one has to start somewhere.
The one thing that has consistently struck me is the two lines in the lower left quadrant. What in the frame of reference (that frame being the surface of Merope 5C) could this refer to? It occurs to me that it describes, in some manner, the traversal of Merope 5 between the two solstices. If this is the case how does the remainder of the graphic fit in? Like others I have tried various ways of folding to create a 3 dimensional object. I came up with various combinations that I convinced myself could describe Merope 5's track across the sky. But in all cases I found them unsatisfactory because it necessitated ignoring parts of the graphic that didn't "fit". Also the distance between the marks did not match with the 31.56 degrees between the solstices.
It wasn't until I saw a CMDR post a picture of a sundial in this thread last week (I'm sorry, I didn't record the name and I have no idea where the post is in this threadnaught now to adequately cite you) that some things seemed to fall into place for me. If this denotes a sundial then lower right is the gnomon (the edge that casts the shadow). Lower left shows the position of the shadows at the two solstices. Upper left is denoting which axis to align the gnomon with; it could either be north-south or east-west - more on this in a bit. And upper right shows the relative position of Merope 5 (the graphic showing a body with a ring around it). It also satisfied me that it seemed to fit with the "numbers" in the corners of each quadrant. I saw some CMDR(s) theorize that these are actually describing a set of axes. Each quadrant with a single "|" denote an orthogonal set (can call them x, y, z). Upper right has two "|" - this could mean that it has information that is relevant to both the "--|" and "-|-" axes.
I tried the "print and fold" technique on this:
1) cut along the line between upper right and lower right
2) fold so that --|, -|- and |-- form an orthogonal set
3) -|| can flap around between lining up with --| and -|- which would sort of indicate the apparent motion and relative position of Merope 5 and the way it casts shadow
So now to return to the issue of how the gnomon is oriented. I believe upper left is the indicator for this. To me the arc denotes some sort of rotation. There are two axes of rotation I can think of, observable from Merope 5C, that could fit the bill. Either the rotation of the stars around celestial north (or south) or the movement of Merope along an arc from north-south (i.e. pointed along an east-west axis). To me the first seems to fit better, i.e. that it denotes the rotation of the sky around celestial north (or south) and that the gnomon is oriented along that axis. The amount of arc moved by Merope 5 is 31.56 - if it were for that I would think it more natural to show that with a partial arc rather than a full one. I admit that is going out on a limb.
So, armed with all this information it should be possible to determine a position on Merope 5C where such a sundial would demonstrate the various angles of shadow. Well in fact there are two places because the sundial could be oriented toward celestial north or south. I can't determine from the graphic whether clockwise or anticlockwise rotation is indicated so it seems to me that either could be valid.
One challenge here is the difficulty of getting some semblance of accuracy in pulling the angles off of the graphic. Some captures have scaling which have an effect on the angle measured. Having measured from various captures and compensating for scaling I get varying results. The gnomon angle seems to consistently come out around 40 degrees from the vertical. Getting angles for the shadow marks has proved to be a lot more challenging. I have values for the lower mark between 29 and 31 degrees from the vertical. For the higher mark I get a lot more variance - between 50 and 56 degrees from the vertical. This of course makes a big difference in the position it resolves to on the planet surface - a single degree can shift the solution by 20-30 km.
Anyway, armed with this idea I tried to solve these equations. After a few days of trying to cross cancel all manner of vector equations and drawing a blank I resorted to the cheater's way, which was brute force. I created a program that would step across the surface of Merope 5C in increments of half a degree (which equals about 13km at the equator) and calculate the angle of shadows at the solstices given the orientation and angle of gnomon.
As I mentioned the angles used as input have a significant effect on where the solutions wind up. I ended up using 40 degrees for the slope of the gnomon, 29 degrees for the first shadow and 56 for the second. With an error range of +/- 1 degree for each of these inputs I got the following locations:
LAT [-14.0 to -11.0]
LONG [-78.5 to -81.5]
and
LAT [+11.0 to +14.0]
LONG [-153.5 to -156.5]
To the best of my ability (unless I have made a horrible arithmetic error) these seem reasonable as "solutions", although if I am wrong this would not be the first time my maths has deserted me. Each area is about six thousand square kilometres in area, so they are not terribly precise or trivial to search. And there is always the nagging doubt that the input angles are not accurate enough so that these don't even cover the right areas. Anyway ... end of essay.
My instincts agree with the view that the graphic denotes something on Merope 5C; specifically a location on the surface. The behavour of the UP 'pointing' at this specific body would be quite an accident otherwise. So this instinct is what is mostly colouring my interpretation of the graphic but one has to start somewhere.
The one thing that has consistently struck me is the two lines in the lower left quadrant. What in the frame of reference (that frame being the surface of Merope 5C) could this refer to? It occurs to me that it describes, in some manner, the traversal of Merope 5 between the two solstices. If this is the case how does the remainder of the graphic fit in? Like others I have tried various ways of folding to create a 3 dimensional object. I came up with various combinations that I convinced myself could describe Merope 5's track across the sky. But in all cases I found them unsatisfactory because it necessitated ignoring parts of the graphic that didn't "fit". Also the distance between the marks did not match with the 31.56 degrees between the solstices.
It wasn't until I saw a CMDR post a picture of a sundial in this thread last week (I'm sorry, I didn't record the name and I have no idea where the post is in this threadnaught now to adequately cite you) that some things seemed to fall into place for me. If this denotes a sundial then lower right is the gnomon (the edge that casts the shadow). Lower left shows the position of the shadows at the two solstices. Upper left is denoting which axis to align the gnomon with; it could either be north-south or east-west - more on this in a bit. And upper right shows the relative position of Merope 5 (the graphic showing a body with a ring around it). It also satisfied me that it seemed to fit with the "numbers" in the corners of each quadrant. I saw some CMDR(s) theorize that these are actually describing a set of axes. Each quadrant with a single "|" denote an orthogonal set (can call them x, y, z). Upper right has two "|" - this could mean that it has information that is relevant to both the "--|" and "-|-" axes.
I tried the "print and fold" technique on this:
1) cut along the line between upper right and lower right
2) fold so that --|, -|- and |-- form an orthogonal set
3) -|| can flap around between lining up with --| and -|- which would sort of indicate the apparent motion and relative position of Merope 5 and the way it casts shadow
So now to return to the issue of how the gnomon is oriented. I believe upper left is the indicator for this. To me the arc denotes some sort of rotation. There are two axes of rotation I can think of, observable from Merope 5C, that could fit the bill. Either the rotation of the stars around celestial north (or south) or the movement of Merope along an arc from north-south (i.e. pointed along an east-west axis). To me the first seems to fit better, i.e. that it denotes the rotation of the sky around celestial north (or south) and that the gnomon is oriented along that axis. The amount of arc moved by Merope 5 is 31.56 - if it were for that I would think it more natural to show that with a partial arc rather than a full one. I admit that is going out on a limb.
So, armed with all this information it should be possible to determine a position on Merope 5C where such a sundial would demonstrate the various angles of shadow. Well in fact there are two places because the sundial could be oriented toward celestial north or south. I can't determine from the graphic whether clockwise or anticlockwise rotation is indicated so it seems to me that either could be valid.
One challenge here is the difficulty of getting some semblance of accuracy in pulling the angles off of the graphic. Some captures have scaling which have an effect on the angle measured. Having measured from various captures and compensating for scaling I get varying results. The gnomon angle seems to consistently come out around 40 degrees from the vertical. Getting angles for the shadow marks has proved to be a lot more challenging. I have values for the lower mark between 29 and 31 degrees from the vertical. For the higher mark I get a lot more variance - between 50 and 56 degrees from the vertical. This of course makes a big difference in the position it resolves to on the planet surface - a single degree can shift the solution by 20-30 km.
Anyway, armed with this idea I tried to solve these equations. After a few days of trying to cross cancel all manner of vector equations and drawing a blank I resorted to the cheater's way, which was brute force. I created a program that would step across the surface of Merope 5C in increments of half a degree (which equals about 13km at the equator) and calculate the angle of shadows at the solstices given the orientation and angle of gnomon.
As I mentioned the angles used as input have a significant effect on where the solutions wind up. I ended up using 40 degrees for the slope of the gnomon, 29 degrees for the first shadow and 56 for the second. With an error range of +/- 1 degree for each of these inputs I got the following locations:
LAT [-14.0 to -11.0]
LONG [-78.5 to -81.5]
and
LAT [+11.0 to +14.0]
LONG [-153.5 to -156.5]
To the best of my ability (unless I have made a horrible arithmetic error) these seem reasonable as "solutions", although if I am wrong this would not be the first time my maths has deserted me. Each area is about six thousand square kilometres in area, so they are not terribly precise or trivial to search. And there is always the nagging doubt that the input angles are not accurate enough so that these don't even cover the right areas. Anyway ... end of essay.
It seems we'll be on BBC tv soon
A tv program called Click, whose presenter is an ED fan, will be talking about us and using our videos and recordings.
I've shared with them the link to this mega thread, and invited the presenter to science with us!
Rizal! they requested one of my videos also!
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I would like to point out. since you guys love overlaying stuff over the galaxy. If you lay the map over Sol. at 0, 0, 0 the line. points to col 70. (just thought id mention that)
It seems we'll be on BBC tv soon
A tv program called Click, whose presenter is an ED fan, will be talking about us and using our videos and recordings.
I've shared with them the link to this mega thread, and invited the presenter to science with us!
Wonder if our very own Kate Russell aka Angel Rose had anything to do with this?
It seems we'll be on BBC tv soon
A tv program called Click, whose presenter is an ED fan, will be talking about us and using our videos and recordings.
I've shared with them the link to this mega thread, and invited the presenter to science with us!
Hahaha awesome !
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