I have been thinking. Can we get a recording from inside of the ship while we honk the UP and one from the outside. Both should have the same quality and settings. Then can't we just invert the one from outside and apply it on top of the normal one. This way we should be able to remove any noise not intended as a message, and being able to clearly see the image. Also I agree that we should try to do it with blown canopy as well.
UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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Wow, neat! Thank you!
Yup - I meant phase inversion, not image inversion
Found a guide on how to do it in Audacity with a stereo mix:
1) split L+R to individual mono tracks
2) phase-invert one track
3) 'mix and render' from the Track menu
Edit - I think that's a response to your points. Either way, I agree with what you say
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That would not matter. there is no sound in space. having a blown canopy would not change anything. it plays through your ship.
I'm kind of playing with the idea that it is simply a map fo the Merope system with 5c in focus and that rather than specifically telling us to go somewhere we have to use this depiction as a means to interpret another image we will decode from something further down the line.
Even if on mobile, I was able to add your new recordings and experiments on the FP! Good work CMDR!
Hello, all.
I want to thank everyone who's been a part of trying to solve the intriguing mysteries of both the UAs and now the UPs, particularly the Canonn: it's been a huge pleasure to watch all of this unfold. I thank you all, most sincerely, for your contributions.
I'm not convinced by the more complex interpretations of the image.
Consider that we're the community that totally failed to listen to the UAs, until Mr Brookes came along and suggested we do so: for all our efforts, we're not the sharpest tools in the shed and FD knows this; they'll most likely have made this puzzle simpler, rather than more difficult.
The same reasoning holds true in the game: whoever's sending these probes out is either unable to grasp human language or unwilling to admit it can do so - but it can comprehend and create images and is trying to communicate as simply as it can, or perhaps without giving itself away.
So this is a fairly straightforward set of pictographic instructions. Our mysterious signaller has literally drawn us a picture of what we're supposed to do next.
This is the correct way up, I think. I put little faith in co-incidences, so I'm assuming the images on the right are something to do with this signal.
The barnacle stamp (top-right) most plausibly shows Merope 5C itself, rather than a distant galaxy.
The two images below it are from wreckage sites across the bubble - there's a whole thread about it somewhere. There are strong hints that the destroyed ships were all carrying something that badly interfered with their FSD systems. At this point, it should not be difficult to guess what that something was.
(I seem to recall there was a report of a Farragut being destroyed by unknown causes. Do we actually have any images from that, anywhere?)
The bottom-right image is - I think - from a persistent installation on 5C.
I see the same symbolism in all of these: a circle with gaps leading into it's interior. I suspect the circle represents a planet - presumably 5C - and there's something inside it. Something we need UAs and UPs to reach.
The UP signal - when viewed in the same orientation as the barnacle stamp - is fairly clear in some respects: action at the top, context and detail in the middle, outcome at the bottom.
• The action itself, as shown at the top, is clearly the sending of a signal. Honking on or around the planet alone won't do it, or we'd probably already have done it, a dozen times over. Honking a probe, so it triggers it's high-powered signal (complete with EMP effect), seems far more likely.
• The middle section shows 5C. I take the line leading from it's centre to the surface to be the barnacle we're all familiar with. I take the two lines on it's surface to be a large crater. This should be enough information to correctly position ships for the activity.
• The lines and dots in the corners around the planet are not numbers, I think. I would guess that the lines are ships and the dots are UAs and UPs.
• Assuming that's the case, then two ships - the Transmitters - need to simultaneously or sequentially honk one or two UPs to send the correct transmission, while positioned in orbit 90° from the barnacle, opposite the crater.
• I'm not clear about what height the ships and probes would need to be at for this to work. I would guess about halfway down the blue zone, but it might not matter, so try from the outside and work your way in. Depending on the height, I anticipate the probe dropping like a brick. Practising with something non-valuable would seem very wise.
• There needs to be another ship - the Receiver - presumably also in orbit, 90° from the transmission point, directly opposite the barnacle. It needs to be equipped with two objects. Since the Transmitters need a UP - and this is shown underneath the lines showing their ships - I would guess UAs are drawn above and UPs drawn below the ship-lines, so the Receiver will need one of each.
• They might need to be on board the Receiver, or they may need to be deployed at the exact same time the signal is sent - and possibly the ship actually needs to be right in between them, for this to work. Again, some practise with non-valuable goods seems highly advisable.
• I'm not clear on what function the icons to the right of the planet might serve. They might be essential for this to work, but that means finding a lot more UAs and UPs, so I would have thought not. Given their placement, they may be warnings: Receivers carrying or deploying two UPs might find their ships being turned into barnacles, as with that crashed Anaconda; Receivers with two UAs might become craters.
The bottom section is somewhat scrambled, but I think it shows what should be the outcome: access to some form of base currently within the planetary interior. The nature of this access is not clearly articulated.
• It might involve another signal puzzle to solve. It might come to the surface like R'Lyeh rising from the ocean. Given the technology in play, however - not to mention all those wrecks - I think it's just possible there might be some kind of hyperjump involved, directly into the interior.
• Exactly what you might find in there is unknowable. If I had to guess, I'd say some kind of Dyson moon, for want of a better description. It should be a sight to see. Given the situation, which has military abuse written all over it, bad people who want to shoot you are very possible.
• In the event that you encounter a non-human intelligence that might be able to understand us, I suggest that the first words out of your com-system should be the phrase "we're sorry", followed by an offer to help. Try to avoid pointing weapons at them, if you can possibly help it. We can't really afford a war.
• How you get out of there afterwards, I have no idea. A clearly marked exit or another puzzle seem likely, but it may require the rebuy screen, instead. Then again, it might not be possible at all: as yet, we've not seen perma-death in ED, but that's not proof it can't happen. It's not very like FD to do such a thing, but not entirely unlike them, either. If the worst comes to the worst, you'll be a martyr for science, which isn't a bad way to go out.
That's that. Here's what I think this has all been about: humans have been experimenting on semi-living Thargoid technology. That biotechnology is not at all happy about it and calling for help in the only way it can. As far as I can see, the only real suspect in this matter is Professor Palin. The inevitable bounty on his head will presumably be quite impressive.
At some point, the Thargoids themselves are likely to show up in response to the signals. If we can make friends with their biotechnology, before they get here, we'll be in a far better position to survive contact with the Thargoids, perhaps even resume peaceful relations.
If the biotechnology is inherently inimical, however, we need more information for our own defense. Either way, following this trail wherever it leads should be humanity's top priority.
I thank you for your valuable time.
Good luck to us all.
I want to thank everyone who's been a part of trying to solve the intriguing mysteries of both the UAs and now the UPs, particularly the Canonn: it's been a huge pleasure to watch all of this unfold. I thank you all, most sincerely, for your contributions.
I'm not convinced by the more complex interpretations of the image.
Consider that we're the community that totally failed to listen to the UAs, until Mr Brookes came along and suggested we do so: for all our efforts, we're not the sharpest tools in the shed and FD knows this; they'll most likely have made this puzzle simpler, rather than more difficult.
The same reasoning holds true in the game: whoever's sending these probes out is either unable to grasp human language or unwilling to admit it can do so - but it can comprehend and create images and is trying to communicate as simply as it can, or perhaps without giving itself away.
So this is a fairly straightforward set of pictographic instructions. Our mysterious signaller has literally drawn us a picture of what we're supposed to do next.
This is the correct way up, I think. I put little faith in co-incidences, so I'm assuming the images on the right are something to do with this signal.
The barnacle stamp (top-right) most plausibly shows Merope 5C itself, rather than a distant galaxy.
The two images below it are from wreckage sites across the bubble - there's a whole thread about it somewhere. There are strong hints that the destroyed ships were all carrying something that badly interfered with their FSD systems. At this point, it should not be difficult to guess what that something was.
(I seem to recall there was a report of a Farragut being destroyed by unknown causes. Do we actually have any images from that, anywhere?)
The bottom-right image is - I think - from a persistent installation on 5C.
I see the same symbolism in all of these: a circle with gaps leading into it's interior. I suspect the circle represents a planet - presumably 5C - and there's something inside it. Something we need UAs and UPs to reach.
The UP signal - when viewed in the same orientation as the barnacle stamp - is fairly clear in some respects: action at the top, context and detail in the middle, outcome at the bottom.
• The action itself, as shown at the top, is clearly the sending of a signal. Honking on or around the planet alone won't do it, or we'd probably already have done it, a dozen times over. Honking a probe, so it triggers it's high-powered signal (complete with EMP effect), seems far more likely.
• The middle section shows 5C. I take the line leading from it's centre to the surface to be the barnacle we're all familiar with. I take the two lines on it's surface to be a large crater. This should be enough information to correctly position ships for the activity.
• The lines and dots in the corners around the planet are not numbers, I think. I would guess that the lines are ships and the dots are UAs and UPs.
• Assuming that's the case, then two ships - the Transmitters - need to simultaneously or sequentially honk one or two UPs to send the correct transmission, while positioned in orbit 90° from the barnacle, opposite the crater.
• I'm not clear about what height the ships and probes would need to be at for this to work. I would guess about halfway down the blue zone, but it might not matter, so try from the outside and work your way in. Depending on the height, I anticipate the probe dropping like a brick. Practising with something non-valuable would seem very wise.
• There needs to be another ship - the Receiver - presumably also in orbit, 90° from the transmission point, directly opposite the barnacle. It needs to be equipped with two objects. Since the Transmitters need a UP - and this is shown underneath the lines showing their ships - I would guess UAs are drawn above and UPs drawn below the ship-lines, so the Receiver will need one of each.
• They might need to be on board the Receiver, or they may need to be deployed at the exact same time the signal is sent - and possibly the ship actually needs to be right in between them, for this to work. Again, some practise with non-valuable goods seems highly advisable.
• I'm not clear on what function the icons to the right of the planet might serve. They might be essential for this to work, but that means finding a lot more UAs and UPs, so I would have thought not. Given their placement, they may be warnings: Receivers carrying or deploying two UPs might find their ships being turned into barnacles, as with that crashed Anaconda; Receivers with two UAs might become craters.
The bottom section is somewhat scrambled, but I think it shows what should be the outcome: access to some form of base currently within the planetary interior. The nature of this access is not clearly articulated.
• It might involve another signal puzzle to solve. It might come to the surface like R'Lyeh rising from the ocean. Given the technology in play, however - not to mention all those wrecks - I think it's just possible there might be some kind of hyperjump involved, directly into the interior.
• Exactly what you might find in there is unknowable. If I had to guess, I'd say some kind of Dyson moon, for want of a better description. It should be a sight to see. Given the situation, which has military abuse written all over it, bad people who want to shoot you are very possible.
• In the event that you encounter a non-human intelligence that might be able to understand us, I suggest that the first words out of your com-system should be the phrase "we're sorry", followed by an offer to help. Try to avoid pointing weapons at them, if you can possibly help it. We can't really afford a war.
• How you get out of there afterwards, I have no idea. A clearly marked exit or another puzzle seem likely, but it may require the rebuy screen, instead. Then again, it might not be possible at all: as yet, we've not seen perma-death in ED, but that's not proof it can't happen. It's not very like FD to do such a thing, but not entirely unlike them, either. If the worst comes to the worst, you'll be a martyr for science, which isn't a bad way to go out.
That's that. Here's what I think this has all been about: humans have been experimenting on semi-living Thargoid technology. That biotechnology is not at all happy about it and calling for help in the only way it can. As far as I can see, the only real suspect in this matter is Professor Palin. The inevitable bounty on his head will presumably be quite impressive.
At some point, the Thargoids themselves are likely to show up in response to the signals. If we can make friends with their biotechnology, before they get here, we'll be in a far better position to survive contact with the Thargoids, perhaps even resume peaceful relations.
If the biotechnology is inherently inimical, however, we need more information for our own defense. Either way, following this trail wherever it leads should be humanity's top priority.
I thank you for your valuable time.
Good luck to us all.
I am currently in the Soontill system. I feel like many people forgot the historical significance of this desolate system. Currently I am scanning all of the bodies in the system. I just found an encoded emission source, but there is nothing here. This place is very unsettling. I have the suspicion that this place might contain some baracles, and it even has a very similar structure to Merope. There is also a landable world orbiting the fifth planet in this system, which is a gas giant, so the landable planet is also called 5A. I will check it as soon as I finish scanning everything.
It's possible, but surely that's a huge design flaw?
"Here at the top is our language/symbolic system, composed of long vertical bars and short horizontal bars. And underneath, here's a line/border/arrow, which coincidentally also consists of long vertical bars and short horizontal bars."
It'd be like sending a Morse telegraph, then tapping out your favourite song in long and short beats in the middle of it.
I do think the bottom glyphs look like "from here to here" or "circumference" or "left" and "right", but if any of those are true, it probably rules out the upper glyphs being binary. I thought perhaps the tall vertical bar might be a divider, which makes sense in the top left (number | number, so perhaps: x-coord | y-coord) but it makes no sense at the top right where you'd have two dividers. (-||)
Never mind. It didn't stay after a game restart.
OK CMDRs!
BBC needs our help for the last video montage they are planning to make for there TV show about the UP mystery!
They need a ton of the most relevant or funniest interpretations people have made about the UP drawing!
I remember one on Reddit involving a pizza, for example!
Quoting them: Some sensible ones involving sextants, or pointers to the centre of the galaxy, etc., and some fun ones like pizza orders and chickens (when rotated sideways).
I cannot do it from my phone so please help them collecting them, and sending them to their email:
cody.godwin@bbc.co.uk
Do not exaggerate, I think they need 20 or around.
DEADLINE IS TOMORROW MORNING!
GO!
BBC needs our help for the last video montage they are planning to make for there TV show about the UP mystery!
They need a ton of the most relevant or funniest interpretations people have made about the UP drawing!
I remember one on Reddit involving a pizza, for example!
Quoting them: Some sensible ones involving sextants, or pointers to the centre of the galaxy, etc., and some fun ones like pizza orders and chickens (when rotated sideways).
I cannot do it from my phone so please help them collecting them, and sending them to their email:
cody.godwin@bbc.co.uk
Do not exaggerate, I think they need 20 or around.
DEADLINE IS TOMORROW MORNING!
GO!
Can't recall who or when but I know somebody once claimed the bottom-left quadrant looked like a giant mouth with which the circle was attempting to eat tiny humans. Seemed pretty funny. I'm unavailable to e-mail them this right now though, hopefully somebody else finds it funny enough to tak on haha
I think the "I rotated it 4 times a 90 degrees to the right and I think I solved it" definetely has to appear on BBC
It's a game. There are exceptions to the "no sound in space" rule
It's just one variable which is not mentioned on the experiment spreadsheet.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...1yadrU-VkF-lm91sUwaRQ/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0
If I were in charge of official government experiments on an alien probe, then the one thing I would make sure of is that I did at least some experiments without an extremely thick pane of glass or transparent aluminium between the human test subject & the probe.
Aren't you curious what might happen if a human brain was hit directly with an alien probe's wave without any protection? I am
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Aren't you curious what might happen if a human was hit by the probe's wave without any protection? I am
I'm hit by all kinds of waves every single day, nothing happens to me. It's just a radiowave.
It's a game. There are exceptions to the "no sound in space" rule
Yes, but within this game's fiction, the explanation that there is no sound is the one they go with. All sound from outside the ship is simulated inside it by computers to help give the pilot a sense of location and activity. The suit does the same thing when the canopy is breached but to a lower quality. Even with it breached the result would be the same.
A regular sound wave wouldn't disrupt a ship's systems & sensors.
If I ever manage to find a UP, I'll try this myself, purely out of curiosity if anything. I also note that there's a Galnet suggestion that Jasmina Halsey might have been affected by unknown influences... Maybe she was exposed to a similar form of the waves.
Perhaps the UA/UP waves overload the ship's simulated vacuum sounds systems, then that's also another reason why you might want to test with direct exposure without the protection of the canopy.
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We can't be certain that it is the radiowave doing the knockback. It could just be a result of the tampering of the probe, as evidenced by the fact it disables our systems before the radiowave. It is already in our systems before the 'sound' hits.
By all means do so. I'm always going to promote more experimentation. It might have some value, we can't be sure until it's been done.
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