UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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LordZoltan

LordZoltan
rizal72 said:
OK CMDRs!
BBC needs our help for the last video montage they are planning to make for there TV show about the UP mystery!
They need a ton of the most relevant or funniest interpretations people have made about the UP drawing!
I remember one on Reddit involving a pizza, for example!

Quoting them: Some sensible ones involving sextants, or pointers to the centre of the galaxy, etc., and some fun ones like pizza orders and chickens (when rotated sideways).

I cannot do it from my phone so please help them collecting them, and sending them to their email:

cody.godwin@bbc.co.uk

Do not exaggerate, I think they need 20 or around.
DEADLINE IS TOMORROW MORNING!
GO!
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@han_zen's Thargon *has* to go in there.

Also - I hope you got the permission of the owner of that account to post it on the open interweb! It'll be receiving all manner of amazing email from Nigeria and from Russian 'ladies' already; and there'll be bots spaffing all the popular websites trying to login with it!



Either way, though, this is brilliant. Such excite! Many coverage!
 
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CMDR Zulu

CMDR Zulu
At this point all I can do is wait for them to draw that conclusion themselves. I have moved since I found the images and don't have my PC with me to try and accurately present the images, experiments, etc. That's part of the reason I was so urgent and disorganized about presenting the information.
 

CMDRDemonEyesCain

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So I was tinkering around in Merope this morning and I think I may be on to something.

I feel like we are focusing on the wrong kind of search. I've been thinking for a while that what we are looking for (possibly a damaged alien vessel) resides in the ring system of a star planet. I searched the outer rings of Merope 5 for about an hour this morning and found nothing of interest, but then I began to look at Merope 6.

vi0RB


What was interesting to note is that as soon as I started searching the rings to Merope 6 ( which neither M5 or M6 have "RES" ), there was a wing of NPCs ready to pounce on me to pirate me. There were also a few minors. I think this may be where our search should be centered.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
CMDRDemonEyesCain said:
What was interesting to note is that as soon as I started searching the rings to Merope 6 ( which neither M5 or M6 have "RES" ), there was a wing of NPCs ready to pounce on me to pirate me. There were also a few minors. I think this may be where our search should be centered.
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Due to the proximity of Maia, this is normal afaik.

Miners and Pirates don't just spawn at the RES sites.
 
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Space

Space
I have fully scanned the entire Soontill system. There is a VERY HIGH mountain on soontill 5 A, its over 15 kilometers high. It also appears to be right at the south pole of the planet.
RYZp1Mg.png


I remember the books referencing soontill as the former headquarters of the dark wheel. Can anyone else provide me with possible clues for something in this system?[alien]
 
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xuly

X
graeme.firth said:
Another little ditty of a theory.

Just a thought, dismiss or consider as you see fit. I think that if the image is describing how to find something or is a map of some sort or whatever. It is obvious you need a start point or a frame of reference with which to navigate from.

I'm not sure if this will help, but I've seen discussions that consider the sphere depicted as the planet and mentioning the difficulty in deciding which part of sphere you are looking at . . . so here goes . . . a theory.

The value of Pi is 3.14159 (5 decimal places), but can be reasonable rounded to 3.142 (3 deciaml places). Around the diagram we have the binary figures (travelling clockwise) 3,1,4,2.

Could this depict the orbital rotation of the sphere? This gives you a start point. Merope 5c is tidally locked, but it does rotate on it axis to face Merope 5. From one side of the axis Merope 5c will appear to rotate clockwise, from the otherside it would appear rotate anti clockwise . . . . . hey presto, a start point.

Cmdrs, this is only a theory, I'm just chucking ideas around that may be the key for someone else to have Ureka!!! moment

o7
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LordZoltan said:
Yup - I meant phase inversion, not image inversion :)

Found a guide on how to do it in Audacity with a stereo mix:
1) split L+R to individual mono tracks
2) phase-invert one track
3) 'mix and render' from the Track menu

Edit - I think that's a response to your points. Either way, I agree with what you say :)
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I believe you've missed my point in there. The result you'd get by "subtracting two spectrograms" wouldnt be equal to the result youd get by "subtracting two audio signals (by phase inverting one of them, then adding two together) then looking into spectrogram of the added signal." The reason is that you lose the phase information on the spectrogram.



Imagine two sinusoidal signals equal in amplitude but reversed in phase. Subtracting those two signals in time domain by reversing one of them then adding together would result in a signal that has twice the amplitude of the reference signal in time domain, its spectrogram would have the double intensity any of those signals would normally have on spectrogram.




But if you look at their spectrograms first, then subtract the results(spectrograms) youd get a zero.




The reason is thay you are basically losing the phase information when you look at their spectrograms.





Now, fourier transform is a linear operation, meaning those two operations should end up with the same result, the order shouldnt matter. But for those two operations to be equal, you should be doing the operation on the complex(as in complex numbers) frequency domain, which fourier transform is defined on. Spectrogram itself is defined as the absolute magnitude of the frequency content of the signal, ignoring any information on the phase.




I should also add that for clarity, as a scientific term, "mixing" means a totally different thing compared to the audio guys and audacity make use of. Thats why i avoid using it.
 

smargh

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CMDRDemonEyesCain said:
What was interesting to note is that as soon as I started searching the rings to Merope 6 ( which neither M5 or M6 have "RES" ), there was a wing of NPCs ready to pounce on me to pirate me. There were also a few minors. I think this may be where our search should be centered.
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I had the same happen at M2 rings last night; I had no cargo so they just started mining the 'roids.

I'd lean towards this event not being of interest.
 
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LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Space said:
I have fully scanned the entire Soontill system. There is a VERY HIGH mountain on soontill 5 A, its over 15 kilometers high. It also appears to be right at the south pole of the planet.
http://i.imgur.com/RYZp1Mg.png

I remember the books referencing soontill as the former headquarters of the dark wheel. Can anyone else provide me with possible clues for something in this system?[alien]
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I think it was the HQ of CIEP - The Circle of Independent Elite Pilots - an offshoot of the DW.

It was a good story - albeit frustratingly written imho - and full of tinfoil which could easily serve as a foreshadowing of what's going on here.

Except, I strongly doubt DBOBE and MB would've lifted and shifted their story from officially licensed fiction.
 

Th3 0utKa5t

Th3 0utKa5t
well here goes for another wild idea and forgive the tinfoil.

there was a message posted on here a while ago that mentions "2 tickets for sale for thursday nights game pr5, row2, seats 5 and 6 perfect viewing height" or something like that.

so i took this info and used An AWESOME Orrery map of Merope! to have a look at the merpoe system for tomorrows date though time im not sure on, and i got the following images, could this be something?

http://imgur.com/a/EwlZA

have a look at the image of the orbits top down view with merope 5 (its the only one with a label) looks to me like the probe image, i could be very well wrong but the thursday thing in the message was bugging me.

Any thoughts on this at all?
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
xuly said:
I believe you've missed my point in there. The result you'd get by "subtracting two spectrograms" wouldnt be equal to the result youd get by "subtracting two audio signals (by phase inverting one of them, then adding two together) then looking into spectrogram of the added signal." The reason is that you lose the phase information on the spectrogram.



Imagine two sinusoidal signals equal in amplitude but reversed in phase. Subtracting those two signals in time domain by reversing one of them then adding together would result in a signal that has twice the amplitude of the reference signal in time domain, its spectrogram would have the double intensity any of those signals would normally have on spectrogram.




But if you look at their spectrograms first, then subtract the results(spectrograms) youd get a zero.




The reason is thay you are basically losing the phase information when you look at their spectrograms.





Now, fourier transform is a linear operation, meaning those two operations should end up with the same result, the order shouldnt matter. But for those two operations to be equal, you should be doing the operation on the complex(as in complex numbers) frequency domain, which fourier transform is defined on. Spectrogram itself is defined as the absolute magnitude of the frequency content of the signal, ignoring any information on the phase.




I should also add that for clarity, as a scientific term, "mixing" means a totally different thing compared to the audio guys and audacity make use of. Thats why i avoid using it.
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Again, totally agree - but instead of subtracting the inverted waves, we're mixing them, i.e. adding them together. Therefore adding two waves of -180/180 would result in 0.

That's what I meant by 'subtracting' them. I'm very probably still missing something blindingly obvious though as it's clear you know what you're talking about - more so than me! :)
 
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Han_Zen

Han_Zen
LordZoltan said:
@han_zen's Thargon *has* to go in there.

Also - I hope you got the permission of the owner of that account to post it on the open interweb! It'll be receiving all manner of amazing email from Nigeria and from Russian 'ladies' already; and there'll be bots spaffing all the popular websites trying to login with it!



Either way, though, this is brilliant. Such excite! Many coverage!
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I sent a link to Cody.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nonn/page284?p=4298731&viewfull=1#post4298731

Hope he likes it.:D
 

Sterlino

Sterlino
DialBforBiscuit said:
Ok guys, i'm 99.9% sure the UP image is a distortion of our ship's hud, because http://i.imgur.com/xBSV6l9.jpg

That matches the grided circle in the UP image. (Which is big here)
http://i.imgur.com/xafYBgg.jpg



The full spectrum image even has shield bars on the right and some random lines on the left that match the area where your selected target appears.

The curious thing is, only one of the 4 arcs in above picture appears in the UP image along with other random symbols. What if our first step is figuring out what this distortion is trying to ADD to our huds? Might help narrow down what we need to look at.

It was stated that it might be a hud distortion before MB said some theories were close. In case that's important to people.
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this is very interesting.

maybe the instruction could be:

''this is your compass''
''keep the central point, is Merope 5c''
''we give you two points to lock (the two left bottom lines)''
''Follow the line at 5 o'clock''
 

walaykin

W
xuly said:
I believe you've missed my point in there.
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I can't speak for LordZoltan but his clarification seems like he was agreeing with you?

Anyway, doing a proper subtraction of a phase-inverted R channel from the L channel in the frequency domain, then viewing the resultant FFT, doesn't do anything interesting. You just get a much quieter track of the diffs between L+R and a much dimmer image on the FFT.

I don't think there's anything there.

HOWEVER: the person who suggested subtract L+R - it wasn't clear they meant L+R stereo channels. I had an inkling they meant "the bit of the audio corresponding to the bit of the stereogram to the left of the globe". Maybe. Possibly....

TBH I think all this "CSI Lave" audio mangling is tinfoil, but what do I know?
 

who?

who?
rizal72 said:
OK CMDRs!
BBC needs our help for the last video montage they are planning to make for there TV show about the UP mystery!
They need a ton of the most relevant or funniest interpretations people have made about the UP drawing!
I remember one on Reddit involving a pizza, for example!

Quoting them: Some sensible ones involving sextants, or pointers to the centre of the galaxy, etc., and some fun ones like pizza orders and chickens (when rotated sideways).

I cannot do it from my phone so please help them collecting them, and sending them to their email:

cody.godwin@bbc.co.uk

Do not exaggerate, I think they need 20 or around.
DEADLINE IS TOMORROW MORNING!
GO!
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Do they need someone to collate the theories into one email, or everyone to send individual emails? I pity poor Cody :)
 

Atebits

A

Kelen Savitch

Kelen Savitch
rizal72 said:
OK CMDRs!
BBC needs our help for the last video montage they are planning to make for there TV show about the UP mystery!
They need a ton of the most relevant or funniest interpretations people have made about the UP drawing!
I remember one on Reddit involving a pizza, for example!

Quoting them: Some sensible ones involving sextants, or pointers to the centre of the galaxy, etc., and some fun ones like pizza orders and chickens (when rotated sideways).

I cannot do it from my phone so please help them collecting them, and sending them to their email:

cody.godwin@bbc.co.uk

Do not exaggerate, I think they need 20 or around.
DEADLINE IS TOMORROW MORNING!
GO!
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I've forwarded my own pet theory. I still think its got legs!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Canonn/comments/4uazuq/merope_5c_crater_investigation/
 
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