UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[Molith]

I'll have a listen to the other recordings, but the Merope one was fairly hard to decode as ambient music was still on. Vent promised a non-musiced recording, but lost his probe soon after due to a bug. I'll have a look regardless. Big thanks to you for all the work you've done keeping everything organized; thanks to your work I was able to find and compare everything I needed and rule out earlier theories. Some of the credit should definitely go to you, assuming I'm right of course.



Yep, it was recorded in deep space surround Merope, where the wails don't occur. My theory is that the wails occur in proximity with worlds containing barnacles... inspiration taken from Star Trek IV. I need to find another UP to test that portion though. The probe points to M5C because it's the key to understanding all of the UP; the system has all the examples of output for the UP's purrs, and it points to M5C so we can see it wails when near a barnacle world.



Sure, direct translations here:

110 - Main stars
010 - Atmospheric worlds (gas giants included, by definition)
011 - Planets (defined as orbiting the main stars, or orbiting a barycenter that orbits the main stars)
001 - Binary configurations (or more likely any case of multiple bodies orbiting a barycenter)
101 - Asteroids
100 - Barnacle worlds (initially I thought high-metal worlds, but I'll explain my decision on those later)

The transcription I got from the Probe was 110 010 010 011 010 011 011 001 011 010 101 001 100 100 110 011 001 010 011 010 010 if you need it. Since the patch notes defined how long the probe's transmission lasted, I was able to extrapolate how long to listen.

Hmm, but the sequence 110 occurs two times:
110 010 010 011 010 011 011 001 011 010 101 001 100 100 110 011 001 010 011 010 010
This would result in 2 main stars, right?

And what about the first triplet of purrs "010" that can be heard in the recording, just before your sequence starts?

 

[Han_Zen]

yeah i like it too. not sure what we can do with it, but I like it.

now to prove by predicting an unknown system's make-up from just a recording of the purrs.

Which means more UPs

Edit: and the UAs have the same/similar patterns: do they do it too?

It's early days and a few adustments are probably needed but it's very promising.

I think I know why as well. Must sleep and check a few details.

Hypothesis tomorrow.

 

[LordZoltan]

I'll have a listen to the other recordings, but the Merope one was fairly hard to decode as ambient music was still on. Vent promised a non-musiced recording, but lost his probe soon after due to a bug. I'll have a look regardless. Big thanks to you for all the work you've done keeping everything organized; thanks to your work I was able to find and compare everything I needed and rule out earlier theories. Some of the credit should definitely go to you, assuming I'm right of course.



Yep, it was recorded in deep space surround Merope, where the wails don't occur. My theory is that the wails occur in proximity with worlds containing barnacles... inspiration taken from Star Trek IV. I need to find another UP to test that portion though. The probe points to M5C because it's the key to understanding all of the UP; the system has all the examples of output for the UP's purrs, and it points to M5C so we can see it wails when near a barnacle world.



Sure, direct translations here:

110 - Main stars
010 - Atmospheric worlds (gas giants included, by definition)
011 - Planets (defined as orbiting the main stars, or orbiting a barycenter that orbits the main stars)
001 - Binary configurations (or more likely any case of multiple bodies orbiting a barycenter)
101 - Asteroids
100 - Barnacle worlds (initially I thought high-metal worlds, but I'll explain my decision on those later)

The transcription I got from the Probe was 110 010 010 011 010 011 011 001 011 010 101 001 100 100 110 011 001 010 011 010 010 if you need it. Since the patch notes defined how long the probe's transmission lasted, I was able to extrapolate how long to listen.

A potential fly in the ointment, though - although perhaps it can be explained away.

The patch notes didn't say *where* the broadcast would last 6 minutes.

Logically, if you take it to a system with only a lone star, then you should only get one element in the broadcast, and it'll last only a few seconds right?

 

[CMDRDemonEyesCain]

I'll have a listen to the other recordings, but the Merope one was fairly hard to decode as ambient music was still on. Vent promised a non-musiced recording, but lost his probe soon after due to a bug. I'll have a look regardless. Big thanks to you for all the work you've done keeping everything organized; thanks to your work I was able to find and compare everything I needed and rule out earlier theories. Some of the credit should definitely go to you, assuming I'm right of course.



Yep, it was recorded in deep space surround Merope, where the wails don't occur. My theory is that the wails occur in proximity with worlds containing barnacles... inspiration taken from Star Trek IV. I need to find another UP to test that portion though. The probe points to M5C because it's the key to understanding all of the UP; the system has all the examples of output for the UP's purrs, and it points to M5C so we can see it wails when near a barnacle world.



Sure, direct translations here:

110 - Main stars
010 - Atmospheric worlds (gas giants included, by definition)
011 - Planets (defined as orbiting the main stars, or orbiting a barycenter that orbits the main stars)
001 - Binary configurations (or more likely any case of multiple bodies orbiting a barycenter)
101 - Asteroids
100 - Barnacle worlds (initially I thought high-metal worlds, but I'll explain my decision on those later)

The transcription I got from the Probe was 110 010 010 011 010 011 011 001 011 010 101 001 100 100 110 011 001 010 011 010 010 if you need it. Since the patch notes defined how long the probe's transmission lasted, I was able to extrapolate how long to listen.

Also on -|| you mentioned ringed worlds before, which makes sense with the image, but could very well just be any number of planets. Someone else asked why you made the distinction of 110 being stars vs 101 being asteroid belt. This would be something we could easily decide in other systems, but the higher value being the star would make sense. It might also have something to do with the system layout/distance from star.

 

[ilo]

I couldn't be bothered to reply to Mr Doom and Soon(TM) but you've summed it up quite well. We're over 70,000 posts in all the threads combined now and yet people still feel the need to wander in and complain things aren't moving fast enough, rather than letting people enjoy part of the game.

The only thing I'd disagree with you on is that it isn't an irritation we know how the relationship works with MB and we're happy with it

and as MB said, some people have a close theory, everyone is pushing their own so I wouldn't say we are stalled.

 

[Dreadp1r4te]

I honor your interpretation. Nevertheless, there is a question left:
Why did you interpret 110 as a main star and 101 as an asteroid belt? Why not the other way around?
Both symbols are not present in the image provided by the UP spectrogramm.
Also I would think that every system has a single main star, don't they?

Great question, and I won't know which is which until I find a UP and test it in a system with only a star. That should solve that. Also, I don't think every symbol needed to be in the UP image; it was designed to help us decode it, not *give* us the answer.

As for single main stars, no, definitely not. Take a look at Ross 47 for an example, off the top of my head. You can see what I mean on the system map. You can also use Maia for a more glaring example.

 

[CMDR Runcible Shaw]

Well if it tells you how many barnacle planets there are, and it also wails near barnacle planets, you can take it to a random system in a nebula and try to find some barnacles.

 

[pocketmoon]

Not Quite.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5...MIePxgz-FHSOAhyzoKzRH_SDRWH-HvE=w1920-h955-rw

image didnt show.

Other interpretation I have shows either 5 stars and 1 Astroid belt or 1 star and 5 belts

 

[Keybuk]

Additionally, you are not addressing my other points.

I'm simply contributing to the discussion.

I have no need to refute, discuss, debate, argue, or address your other points because I have no evidence to suggest you're any more or less right or wrong than I am

 

[CFF]

Hello folks; I think I may have solved (a big part of) this UP image mystery: It's a system scanning probe.

While listening to Vent Aileron's recordings of the UP, I noted the high-low chirps, and the patterns therein. From the UP I noted the following purrs, and compared them to knowledge of Merope (where the recording was taken) to draw the following theories.

1 instance of 110. There is 1 main star in Merope.
7 instances of 010. 7 atmospheric worlds in Merope (top left quadrant of UP spectro)
6 instances of 011. The icon indicates ringed worlds; there are 6 in Merope.
3 instances of 001 The line drawn in bottom right indicates binary pairings, a line connecting them. There's 3 in Merope.
1 instance of 101. There is 1 asteroid belt in Merope.
2 instances of 100. There are 2 barnacle worlds in Merope, indicated by the bottom left "spikes" on the sphere.

It is my belief the probe scans systems. Of course, it was all in the name all along.

Definitely the best idea yet.

So then the numbers around the edge represent the 'sound' pattern of the description in the image:

010 -> -|- Atmospheric Planets
011 -> -|| Ringed Worlds
100 -> |-- Barnacle Worlds
001 -> --| Binary Parings

Sooooo, the UP is scanning systems and gives us the number of Barnacle worlds in that system. Which means, we can use it as a way to harvest Barnacles!

 

[Dreadp1r4te]

Hmm, but the sequence 110 occurs two times:
110 010 010 011 010 011 011 001 011 010 101 001 100 100 110 011 001 010 011 010 010
This would result in 2 main stars, right?

And what about the first triplet of purrs "010" that can be heard in the recording, just before your sequence starts?

That's a good catch; I'm not sure how I missed that. It still fits, however; M5 is technically a Y-class star. That actually cleared up some of my hesitation, thank you. I'm at work and my headphones suck, let me see if I can hear the purrs you mentioned at the beginning.

 

[Phoenix Ryder]

I originally posted this here:- https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ybe-be-a-complex-Planetary-coordinate-problem
But, as it was pointed out, I should post it here in stead ?

I will try and explain what I have been doing all night ^^ Disclaimer.... I am NOT a map maker... I suck at Math.... and I suck at trying to explain things.... but I hope this gives some a fresh idea about this massive puzzle.... Good luck ! o7

I have no idea if this is known information or not ??... if so, then this is embarrassing.......



Anyway... I think I have worked out a part of the massive complex puzzle...

I will start with this Transmission from the Alien probe, I have added a compass and degrees of the known lines, I think what the Probe is trying to tell us is just a complex Planetary coordinate mapping problem... I also added X, Y, Z since it is a 3D puzzle.... but not entirely sure if I was on the right track, and so just ignore that, expect for the fact that this is a 3D Puzzle ^^ I have no idea what the 4 icons or even half a dozen other icons are in the larger image some one made, I dont think those other icons should be discounted... but thats another story.......

RED LINES are the known angles from the probe image... a little inaccurate since it is a low rez image and blown up ect... so it maybe a solid 100 degrees, and the smaller angles are more than likely 30 and 70 degrees


Now as some already feel is a safe bet, the globe is more than likely a planetary body somewhere, so North is North, 0 - 360 degrees as normal obviously... and so that all fits in with the existing planetary coordinate system, just like on earth

EDITED:- should note the compass is for reference only, and for the angles ect...

Next is my attempt to use an in game complex planetary coordinate system that we all have access too... when you zoom in on a moon in game, you will see about a half dozen or so rings spinning around the moon all on different axis

as you can see in this image below of Merope 5C.... This is where it gets interesting... all of these Rings are the complex planetary coordinate system

in the image below of Merope 5C, as you will see in game the rings have little or longer markers, they will fade out when you spin the globe all about, so they are only visible from certain angles

best way to find these markers in from the south pole, so spin the globe around to the bottom, and there will be one ring spinning around the equator of the planet, I have put RED arrows to point out markers... now the interesting thing is, all these markers point to a single point on the globe...

I will use this shot below as an example to my discovery (If not already known ?)... This is a another view of Merope 5C below with different rings on different axis's... it is a little hard to see the marker clearly

This is a link with the ring with the 2 markers on the left side http://i.imgur.com/UVVkWGP.jpg The blue circle shows the ring and the 2 left arrow/markers, dont worry about the right side, but still you can see other markers there

Now, I drew a line in red below when I felt the markers were in a some what perfect alignment to the Alien Probe image, I slowly spun the globe around and waited for the markers to come back around, since the rings are always moving....

Now, I put a fresh drawing someone made of the alien transmission over the top of the globe of Merope 5C like so below... now the issue is here.... do we ignore the globe grid on the Alien Transmission ?? is the grid just there to say this is a planetary body ? so I ignored the grid on the Alien Transmission and over lapped it with Merope 5C of the northern part of the globe

now I put the red lines back on top and now with the compass... as you can see below, my judgment is slightly off, but surly this cannot be a coincidence ?? even if they are slightly off, which just means I would have to rotate the globe a bit more precisely to get all the 3 markers to line up

I had begun a search of the area on Merope 5C, so I started at 41.4799 - 128.5748 degrees.... I moved south to 38.4799 - 128.5348 degrees, but I only found a crashed light craft of human origin... so it was a normal random encounter...

I then went Due West to 38.4799 - 127.0000... and I only found a human design probe, so I uploaded the data link... so again just a random encounter... from that point I started to head north... but I gave up soon later, since I am dead tried and I wanted to get this all written down....


BUT another question is.... is what we are looking for actually on Merope 5C ? or another planet ??.... the complex planetary coordinate system does not change from planet or moon, so if I am right, then we should be able to find something on the right planet, that is if its lined up correctly, but even then it might still give us a rough ideal of where to look


Edited:- just something else about the rings, I based my findings off just 2 rings since the 30 degree angle worked out on that one ring... I have a feeling that to be more precise/accurate (Since I maybe way off the mark....), it may need to take 3 different ring markers into consideration ?? so that there is an X/Y/Z feel to the problem

Now... the other thing I did not go over is that the rings in the planetary view all seem to have a morse code type deal to them... I dont know if there is some sort of code there or not that is related to the Alien Probe transmission ??

 

[Stillsober]

Q: So that means the information in the UP about the planet in the sound is NOT merope it is from a nearby planet probably in the UA range.
Its just the wording the U P is the PROBE which is something you'd think would be the thing looking since its a probe.. the artifact who knows what it is. Maybe it is the more advanced of the 2?
Originally Posted by Michael Brookes [url]https://forums-cdn.frontier.co.uk/images/frontier/buttons/viewpost-right.png (Source)[/URL]
That's a testable theory.

Michael




If we go back to this exchange, I think MB's response is about the first sentence (it's the only thing that seems truly 'testable'). If we accept that, there is one other interesting thing about this comment, he is implicitly agreeing that the UP image is a planet. He's saying that the 'testable' theory is that the planet in the UP sound is NOT Merope 5C, but a planet in range of a UA. Maybe the 'key' aspect is that it's a set of instructions for finding out what planet a UA is broadcasting pictures of our ships to?

Definitely the best idea yet.

So then the numbers around the edge represent the 'sound' pattern of the description in the image:

010 -> -|- Atmospheric Planets
011 -> -|| Ringed Worlds
100 -> |-- Barnacle Worlds
001 -> --| Binary Parings

Sooooo, the UP is scanning systems and gives us the number of Barnacle worlds in that system. Which means, we can use it as a way to harvest Barnacles!

But surely if it was a way of finding Barnacles then the image would change in each system but as far as I am aware the image never changes.

 

[pocketmoon]

let me see if I can hear the purrs you mentioned at the beginning.

The first few tuba notes are out of whack with the rest. Almost like a 'tuning up' sequence. I got the same binary sequence as you.

 

[ilo]

This was after I was beginning to give up on proving these images existed. I was just finding more images for my own entertainment. So I did not write down these specific coordinates. Although I did log out there. If I can get on later today I'll get them for now, I can give coordinates to other images I posted previously. -28.1990 -157.4042 0.136

hey, I think your idea on hidden images could still have a use. have you tried to do the same on barnacle locations?? maybe you discover something that helps us to find barnies based on ground image artifacts reducing the search time!

Ops, seems like someone already mentioned it.. so I'll extend this to.. from either SuperCruise or Orbital altitude

 

[Keybuk]

Hello folks; I think I may have solved (a big part of) this UP image mystery: It's a system scanning probe.

While listening to Vent Aileron's recordings of the UP, I noted the high-low chirps, and the patterns therein. From the UP I noted the following purrs, and compared them to knowledge of Merope (where the recording was taken) to draw the following theories.

1 instance of 110. There is 1 main star in Merope.
7 instances of 010. 7 atmospheric worlds in Merope (top left quadrant of UP spectro)
6 instances of 011. The icon indicates ringed worlds; there are 6 in Merope.
3 instances of 001 The line drawn in bottom right indicates binary pairings, a line connecting them. There's 3 in Merope.
1 instance of 101. There is 1 asteroid belt in Merope.
2 instances of 100. There are 2 barnacle worlds in Merope, indicated by the bottom left "spikes" on the sphere.

It is my belief the probe scans systems. Of course, it was all in the name all along.

Looking forwards to some additional testing and evidence, but this is a very nice and neat theory!

Science hat on.

What we need is some clear recordings of UP audio taken from different systems, posted to the Forum, without any information from the poster about the origin system. Then we can decode the chirps, and patterns, and present a theoretical system map based on it - and the original poster can supply us with the system information after (to avoid confirmation bias).

Secondly we need to understand more about the barnacle chirps, is there any difference in behavior of the UP, or audio, in orbit of planets with barnacles or without. Again multiple postings would be helpful, with the information about whether or not with or without barnacles only known to the poster.

Finally I'd really like to understand where the derivation of 110 and 101 come from, I dislike arbitrary assumptions in my theories; and these could be something much more interesting such as a clue to which planet/moon has the barnacles maybe.

 

[CookieJarviz]

That's a good catch; I'm not sure how I missed that. It still fits, however; M5 is technically a Y-class star. That actually cleared up some of my hesitation, thank you. I'm at work and my headphones suck, let me see if I can hear the purrs you mentioned at the beginning.

try it as a transposition cipher thats what "my puzzle guy" said it is. *shrug*

 

[Vingtetun]

I like the simpler S Korean flag idea. 4 symbols....

http://www.itatkd.com/koreanflag.html

The four trigrams surrounding the circle denote the process of yin and yang going through a spiral of change and growth. The three unbroken lines at the upper left represent heaven (kun), the three broken lines at the lower right represent earth (kon), the two broken lines with an unbroken line in the middle at the upper right represent water (kam), and the two unbroken lines with an broken line in the middle at the lower left represent fire (yi).

The white background of the flag symbolizes the purity of the Korean people and their peace-loving spirit. The flag as a whole is symbolic of the ideal of the Korean people to develop forever together with the universe.

Peace. See!

 

[HBosch]

Ok - Iwas wrong about the image subtraction - left vs right

tried it with the high res audio and gets worse not better,

but - i still maintain there is text in that spot, and the bottom left will resolve into .|.

peer review does work!

 

[CMDRDemonEyesCain]

But surely if it was a way of finding Barnacles then the image would change in each system but as far as I am aware the image never changes.

Not necessarily. The image is just a key that can be used for any system to show the different kinds of bodies. Top left for atmospheric bodies, top right for ringed bodies, bottom right for binary pairs, and bottom left for barnacle worlds. The numbering may not have any relevance other than identification purposes. The two line symbol in quadrant |-- just represents barnacles in general. The |-- sequence appears twice in the probe broadcast.