UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[StaticAwesome]

Maybe Merope 5C was the old Thargoid Milky Way outpost? The probes are just trying to phone home?

And the feds discovered a lot of them somewhere, or are capturing them from wherever they left. Now they're trying to figure out how to engineer them themselves. I think this is a race between the three main factions and the commanders here.

 

[Keybuk]

I don't have access to the audio right now, but your interpretation for Merope seems to fit: 7xAtmosphere, 6xRings, 3xBinary Pairs, 2xBarnacles

I'm assuming that I'm just not hearing the final "-" that Dreadp1r4te is, so the last should actually be -|-

That would make for *eight* "unsuitable bodies": two stars, three gas giants, and three planets with atmospheres. Which would actually solve the whole star/not-a-star problem.

On a side note, I'm not sold on "binary pair" or "asteroid belt", but I am very curious that Barnacles is prefixed by |-| --| ... and I'm also curious that non-barnacles sequences are prefixed by ||-

 

[DarkPaladin]

Makes sense alongside the UA- it's just a raw data gathering probe, looking at stuff and sending back the info. And, it has almost no use to us, except that we can maybe hijack it to find barnacles -slightly- more easily.

If the probe image is similar to the Voyager disc, what would happen if a probe is honked in Sol? Would it send back data to where it came from saying that it's been picked up and brought to the system matching the disk? Although, why would it need to do that if it could find Sol based on the disc alone?

 

[Dreadp1r4te]

Two things here:

1. This theory makes the most sense of any I've seen so for.
2. I don't like it.

I'm not sure why, it just seems off to me. I guess it could be right, but I have to ask, "Why". Why would it do that? Maybe I am just hoping for more from the probe. Specifically with the possibility of it being the "key". I'm really hoping it isn't just the key to representing the system it's in.

Regardless, great work putting together this theory. I love how the community responds to this kind of stuff.

Oh I'm with you there. I was desperately hoping for a witchspace wormhole to LMC and a whole new cloud of systems infested with Thargoids just ready to devour us for our locust-like spreading across the stars.

 

[Atebits]

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contributed nothing

 

[StaticAwesome]

Quick thoughts: With the binary pairings, are we positive that's what it means? And how does tidally locked play into this scheme, if at all?

 

[CFF]

Oh I'm with you there. I was desperately hoping for a witchspace wormhole to LMC and a whole new cloud of systems infested with Thargoids just ready to devour us for our locust-like spreading across the stars.

I think you have to remember that FD is probably following a general plot here, but they are also evolving it based on our reactions. So a lot of cool stuff could be coming. I think this is just the start.

 

[SushiCW]

Something to consider for the current theory:

What happens if a planet matches more than one criteria? (e.g. ringed and tidally locked, or ring and atmosphere, or barnacles and rings, etc)

 

[TFW Primus]

Makes sense alongside the UA- it's just a raw data gathering probe, looking at stuff and sending back the info. And, it has almost no use to us, except that we can maybe hijack it to find barnacles -slightly- more easily.

I guess. But with the UA morseing the system name I was hoping for something different with the UP. I'm going to stay skeptical for the time being. Still doesn't seem like this would be the purpose of the UP.

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Oh I'm with you there. I was desperately hoping for a witchspace wormhole to LMC and a whole new cloud of systems infested with Thargoids just ready to devour us for our locust-like spreading across the stars.

Too soon. That's for Season 10.

Regarding your theory, I think your methodology is sound, I would just be really disappointed if this was the solution.

 

[CFF]

Something to consider for the current theory:

What happens if a planet matches more than one criteria? (e.g. ringed and tidally locked, or ring and atmosphere, or barnacles and rings, etc)

Eminently testable - my guess is one planet can be more than one description so it will have multiple 'chirps' - assuming this even works for other systems.

 

[Phoenix Ryder]

This was intriguing, but I'm not certain what the 'little / long lines' are that I think the red arrows are pointing to? I can't see anything the red arrows are pointing at? Can you clarify what they are pointing at / indicating as I didnt quite get it. (I also never spend time in that view in game, so I might need anything obvious to others explaining to me )

It is a bit hard to see in game.... maybe this image will sow you many other markers, they all vary in Length the red arrows poit out to more obvious ones... again they all point to the center of the body of the moon, and if you draw a line from each of them they all will meet up at a single point

I have not counted all the rings, there maybe up to a dozen rings and all of them have these markers at different angles, I have drawn crude guides for at least 2 rings that rotate around, the other thing is, they are all at different orbits around the moon, some of the rings may have 3 or more markers on them too...

I do believe this is some sort of complex Key, and when we find a puzzle such as the Alien Probe transmission(s) we have this key to unlock the coordinates on a Planetary body

In the image below, you can see.... I guess Pegs ? I call them markers for now attached to the rings and they point directly to the planet... now, the rings with 3-4 pegs or markers you can make angles out of them, and the very inner ring has 2 very small markers that are a perfect angle/match for the probe image

If the rings were solid, the rings look kinda look like this around the planet body, but as I said they have pegs or makers on them

As you can see in this image, I have the markers or pegs lined up with the alien probe image

I just took this shot in game and again they come into alignment... this is rushed shot... but still I increased the brightness and contrast so it is a bit more clear to see... it is quite dark in game and unless you know what to look for you will miss these makers/pegs on the rings

as shown before, but lined up better in this image and compared with the Alien Transmission

Hope that helps better... I am not a you tuber too, so I cannot show it all in motion and how I lined the markers up

 

[Dreadp1r4te]

Quick thoughts: With the binary pairings, are we positive that's what it means? And how does tidally locked play into this scheme, if at all?

I'm not positive on any of this. I've put it forward as a strong contender for a solution that fits to narrow down the details and rule it out if necessary. Tidally locked may not play into the scheme at all; many world characteristics are apparently overlooked. For example there are icy bodies, gas giants, and HMC planets in Merope as well, but aren't indicated by any of the symbols, at least not in any way that I can see.

Something to consider for the current theory:

What happens if a planet matches more than one criteria? (e.g. ringed and tidally locked, or ring and atmosphere, or barnacles and rings, etc)

Already present in this situation; Merope 5 is ringed, a star, and binary paired to Merope 6. I think the "tags" as I've taken to calling them can be stacked; this would get quite complicated in larger systems but it may be a limitation of the design if I'm right.

Eminently testable - my guess is one planet can be more than one description so it will have multiple 'chirps' - assuming this even works for other systems.

Exactly; example - Merope 5 is a star (110), is binary paired to Merope 6 (001) and is ringed (011).

 

[Menenhetet]

If there were a community goal to scour every last inch of space in Merope to find the answer, including deep space and planet-side, I'm sure everyone would do it. Right now everyone is thinking. Testing. Meandering. The simplest facts are that the UP is pointing at Merope 5c and that it contains extra, hidden information. We need to cover the planet in Commanders. We all need to go there and look. Whatever that hidden picture is MIGHT be useful AFTER we find whatever it is that probe is pointing at. Sometimes brute force is the only way. We've solved through cunning in the past. Perhaps FD want to see us mobilize like ants, covering the planet with SRV's, ships (both planetary and orbital) and tenacious commanders who are prepared to tough it out as a cohesive team of action. I'm going there to do photographic survey. This hidden data is beyond me. The probe points to 5c. I will make the pilgrimage and search. I leave the pictorial diversion to others. o7

 

[Keybuk]

Having more trouble with the audio from NGC 2546 Sector CR-U D3-29 because of the contents:

First deployment:

????|--|-|-|--||-||--||-||-||--||-|-|-|--|||-|

Second deployment:

???||-|--||-|-|-||--||--|-|--||-||--||-|

After honk:

|--|--||--||--||--||--||-|-|--|-|--||--||-||--||

The ? refers to tuba tuning.

I can't make these line up, there just aren't permutations that match the same "description".

At this point I would very much like a new UP recording from Merope to see if that lines up with the one that we already have.

Spoiler

--| -|- -|| |-- |-| ||-
0 0 0 1/2/2 2/0/1 3/1/3 2/3/5 5/3/1 1/3/4
0 0 1 1/2/5 2/0/1 3/1/2 2/3/3 5/3/2 1/3/2
0 0 2 1/2/3 2/0/3 3/1/4 2/3/2 5/3/1 1/3/2
0 1 0 1/3/2 2/2/1 3/3/3 2/0/5 5/3/1 1/1/4
0 1 1 1/3/5 2/2/1 3/3/2 2/0/3 5/3/2 1/1/2
0 1 2 1/3/3 2/2/3 3/3/4 2/0/2 5/3/1 1/1/2
0 2 0 1/0/2 2/3/1 3/2/3 2/2/5 5/1/1 1/3/4
0 2 1 1/0/5 2/3/1 3/2/2 2/2/3 5/1/2 1/3/2
0 2 2 1/0/3 2/3/3 3/2/4 2/2/2 5/1/1 1/3/2
1 0 0 2/2/2 2/0/1 3/1/3 2/3/5 1/3/1 2/3/4
1 0 1 2/2/5 2/0/1 3/1/2 2/3/3 1/3/2 2/3/2
1 0 2 2/2/3 2/0/3 3/1/4 2/3/2 1/3/1 2/3/2
1 1 0 2/3/2 2/2/1 3/3/3 2/0/5 1/3/1 2/1/4
1 1 1 2/3/5 2/2/1 3/3/2 2/0/3 1/3/2 2/1/2
1 1 2 2/3/3 2/2/3 3/3/4 2/0/2 1/3/1 2/1/2
1 2 0 2/0/2 2/3/1 3/2/3 2/2/5 1/1/1 2/3/4
1 2 1 2/0/5 2/3/1 3/2/2 2/2/3 1/1/2 2/3/2
1 2 2 2/0/3 2/3/3 3/2/4 2/2/2 1/1/1 2/3/2
2 0 0 2/2/2 2/0/1 1/1/3 1/3/5 3/3/1 4/3/4
2 0 1 2/2/5 2/0/1 1/1/2 1/3/3 3/3/2 4/3/2
2 0 2 2/2/3 2/0/3 1/1/4 1/3/2 3/3/1 4/3/2
2 1 0 2/3/2 2/2/1 1/3/3 1/0/5 3/3/1 4/1/4
2 1 1 2/3/5 2/2/1 1/3/2 1/0/3 3/3/2 4/1/2
2 1 2 2/3/3 2/2/3 1/3/4 1/0/2 3/3/1 4/1/2
2 2 0 2/0/2 2/3/1 1/2/3 1/2/5 3/1/1 4/3/4
2 2 1 2/0/5 2/3/1 1/2/2 1/2/3 3/1/2 4/3/2
2 2 2 2/0/3 2/3/3 1/2/4 1/2/2 3/1/1 4/3/2

 

[Dreadp1r4te]

I can't make these line up, there just aren't permutations that match the same "description".

At this point I would very much like a new UP recording from Merope to see if that lines up with the one that we already have.

Spoiler

--| -|- -|| |-- |-| ||-
0 0 0 1/2/2 2/0/1 3/1/3 2/3/5 5/3/1 1/3/4
0 0 1 1/2/5 2/0/1 3/1/2 2/3/3 5/3/2 1/3/2
0 0 2 1/2/3 2/0/3 3/1/4 2/3/2 5/3/1 1/3/2
0 1 0 1/3/2 2/2/1 3/3/3 2/0/5 5/3/1 1/1/4
0 1 1 1/3/5 2/2/1 3/3/2 2/0/3 5/3/2 1/1/2
0 1 2 1/3/3 2/2/3 3/3/4 2/0/2 5/3/1 1/1/2
0 2 0 1/0/2 2/3/1 3/2/3 2/2/5 5/1/1 1/3/4
0 2 1 1/0/5 2/3/1 3/2/2 2/2/3 5/1/2 1/3/2
0 2 2 1/0/3 2/3/3 3/2/4 2/2/2 5/1/1 1/3/2
1 0 0 2/2/2 2/0/1 3/1/3 2/3/5 1/3/1 2/3/4
1 0 1 2/2/5 2/0/1 3/1/2 2/3/3 1/3/2 2/3/2
1 0 2 2/2/3 2/0/3 3/1/4 2/3/2 1/3/1 2/3/2
1 1 0 2/3/2 2/2/1 3/3/3 2/0/5 1/3/1 2/1/4
1 1 1 2/3/5 2/2/1 3/3/2 2/0/3 1/3/2 2/1/2
1 1 2 2/3/3 2/2/3 3/3/4 2/0/2 1/3/1 2/1/2
1 2 0 2/0/2 2/3/1 3/2/3 2/2/5 1/1/1 2/3/4
1 2 1 2/0/5 2/3/1 3/2/2 2/2/3 1/1/2 2/3/2
1 2 2 2/0/3 2/3/3 3/2/4 2/2/2 1/1/1 2/3/2
2 0 0 2/2/2 2/0/1 1/1/3 1/3/5 3/3/1 4/3/4
2 0 1 2/2/5 2/0/1 1/1/2 1/3/3 3/3/2 4/3/2
2 0 2 2/2/3 2/0/3 1/1/4 1/3/2 3/3/1 4/3/2
2 1 0 2/3/2 2/2/1 1/3/3 1/0/5 3/3/1 4/1/4
2 1 1 2/3/5 2/2/1 1/3/2 1/0/3 3/3/2 4/1/2
2 1 2 2/3/3 2/2/3 1/3/4 1/0/2 3/3/1 4/1/2
2 2 0 2/0/2 2/3/1 1/2/3 1/2/5 3/1/1 4/3/4
2 2 1 2/0/5 2/3/1 1/2/2 1/2/3 3/1/2 4/3/2
2 2 2 2/0/3 2/3/3 1/2/4 1/2/2 3/1/1 4/3/2

Like I said, one of the reasons I did it with the Merope file was because we knew we had 6 minutes. I had to assume there was no linear repetition to the message. Since the other one was only in 3 minute increments, there's no way to tell when it starts and ends, and when you're getting duplicate data or new data.

We need a UP. Please, any Commanders with a UP or the ability to find one, we need your help for SCIENCE!

 

[Menenhetet]

It's simple logic. We have two tiers of data.
The first tier is visual data. We can see that the probes are pointing toward Merope 5c. That is a likely fact.
Tier two is audio-visual, achieved by scrubbing audio to pull a pictogram. This data is cryptic and leads to much speculation without definite fact. As such, tier two data must be ignored until such a time as more data becomes available.
The tier one data gives a starting point.
We have all been putting the cart before the horse, so-to-speak. Merope 5c must be scoured in order to rule out barnacles as being the only reason the probe is pointing there. Or we can wait until August 9th, when they show Full blown Thargoids so that Commanders don't sod off to try out No Man's Sky. If it's not solved before then, I can reasonably predict a manufactured development in the story, lest frustrated commanders drop 60 bucks to play game that has no hard riddles AFAIK. So either come scour 5c as a team or go back to pew-pew and trade/explore until NMS comes out.

 

[CMDR Poet Starwind]

It is a bit hard to see in game.... maybe this image will sow you many other markers, they all vary in Length the red arrows poit out to more obvious ones... again they all point to the center of the body of the moon, and if you draw a line from each of them they all will meet up at a single point

I have not counted all the rings, there maybe up to a dozen rings and all of them have these markers at different angles, I have drawn crude guides for at least 2 rings that rotate around, the other thing is, they are all at different orbits around the moon, some of the rings may have 3 or more markers on them too...

I do believe this is some sort of complex Key, and when we find a puzzle such as the Alien Probe transmission(s) we have this key to unlock the coordinates on a Planetary body

In the image below, you can see.... I guess Pegs ? I call them markers for now attached to the rings and they point directly to the planet... now, the rings with 3-4 pegs or markers you can make angles out of them, and the very inner ring has 2 very small markers that are a perfect angle/match for the probe image

http://i.imgur.com/7r5haqw.jpg

If the rings were solid, the rings look kinda look like this around the planet body, but as I said they have pegs or makers on them

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4ofhbzKbxdo/maxresdefault.jpg



As you can see in this image, I have the markers or pegs lined up with the alien probe image

I just took this shot in game and again they come into alignment... this is rushed shot... but still I increased the brightness and contrast so it is a bit more clear to see... it is quite dark in game and unless you know what to look for you will miss these makers/pegs on the rings

http://i.imgur.com/NtuUzLi.jpg


as shown before, but lined up better in this image and compared with the Alien Transmission
http://i.imgur.com/gGuj6LS.jpg


Hope that helps better... I am not a you tuber too, so I cannot show it all in motion and how I lined the markers up

Yes, I have been working on this exact assumption for the better part of a week now. I really like your detailed depictions of these rings. The two outfacing lines' rings intersect and you can get the to match the image. If you superimpose the left third of the image on the middle portion, the <= points to the upper left quad of the sphere. I figure between lat 50° and 60°, long, well still working on it.

 

[Vitamin Arrr]

Hello folks; I think I may have solved (a big part of) this UP image mystery: It's a system scanning probe.

While listening to Vent Aileron's recordings of the UP, I noted the high-low chirps, and the patterns therein. From the UP I noted the following purrs, and compared them to knowledge of Merope (where the recording was taken) to draw the following theories.

1 instance of 110. There is 1 main star in Merope.
7 instances of 010. 7 atmospheric worlds in Merope (top left quadrant of UP spectro)
6 instances of 011. The icon indicates ringed worlds; there are 6 in Merope.
3 instances of 001 The line drawn in bottom right indicates binary pairings, a line connecting them. There's 3 in Merope.
1 instance of 101. There is 1 asteroid belt in Merope.
2 instances of 100. There are 2 barnacle worlds in Merope, indicated by the bottom left "spikes" on the sphere.

It is my belief the probe scans systems. Of course, it was all in the name all along.

I'd say this is plausible, since that was its response to the ADS. I also thought maybe the thing was just replaying its stored exploration data.

If you could use this to also explain the patterns of the chirps, then I might be convinced.

One question however is, why does it give a different sequence when it's on the planet surface? If that would correspond to the elements there, that would certainly be interesting...

 

[CMDR Soundwave]

It's simple logic. We have two tiers of data.
Or we can wait until August 9th, when they show Full blown Thargoids so that Commanders don't off to try out No Man's Sky. If it's not solved before then, I can reasonably predict a manufactured development in the story, lest frustrated commanders drop 60 bucks to play game that has no hard riddles AFAIK. So either come scour 5c as a team or go back to pew-pew and trade/explore until NMS comes out.

I spit out my coffee at this one. Lol.

NMS is already in my library and I'm awaiting exploring science fantasy worlds and giggling like a little school girl while I'm at it. NMS heralds a return to space dreams. When Elite keeps us grounded in a very realistic manner.


Back on topic,
It seems the recording, as of Dreadp1r4te's findings we have 3 tiers of information.

1) Passive Chiping / beeping.
2) Active (ADS Triggered) response.
3) Actual transmission post trigger (Sound and Conversion of audio to visual)


All 3 should play key parts, we just need to understand how it fits.

 

[CFF]

Like I said, one of the reasons I did it with the Merope file was because we knew we had 6 minutes. I had to assume there was no linear repetition to the message. Since the other one was only in 3 minute increments, there's no way to tell when it starts and ends, and when you're getting duplicate data or new data.

We need a UP. Please, any Commanders with a UP or the ability to find one, we need your help for SCIENCE!

So if there's no way to know the start and end of the signal over that six minute time frame, how did you come up with the counts you originally posted? Sorry, I must be missing something easy here.