UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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So how is going? Are we there yet? Anybody tried to drop UP next to meta-alloy or coffee in space and scan it? Coffee dropped next to dropped UP, exactly. Theory.
 
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I'm just beginning to suspect you're a troll. You don't really believe any of what you're posting, there's no way you can because there's nothing there.

I would change my name to that even if you hadn't ask me. Alas, name changes are not possible.

He's not trolling - just convinced he's right.

He's worked through it, tried to convince us and it hasn't really worked. That's not a crime.

From my point of view, even if it is right (which I don't think it is), I can't see that it actually means anything. It's not something we can use or do anything with.

But in any case, it's far too spurious to be right, for me.

When we have the right answer we'll all know. It'll be obvious. Same as with the ship diagrams - anybody taking a cursory glance will accept that it's right.

That's also why I remain to be convinced that the purrs are signatures of the system layout: it's a 1 sigma at the moment for me. Much more data collection and prediction is required for it to hit 5 sigma.
 
Well, think about this. Even if CMDR Dreadp1r4te theory is wrong, we were able to transform a fearful pirate in a dedicated scientist in no time! :D
The fact that MB did not pop up to say something, for me means we still need to figure out more. I mean there could be more, even if the theory is right, perhaps we need to USE it somehow, to make something happen...
 
Well, think about this. Even if CMDR Dreadp1r4te theory is wrong, we were able to transform a fearful pirate in a dedicated scientist in no time! :D
The fact that MB did not pop up to say something, for me means we still need to figure out more. I mean there could be more, even if the theory is right, perhaps we need to USE it somehow, to make something happen...

Get your ADR recording out as soon as you can. I does not matter that it's pre-patch. It should still repeat the same signal over and over.
 
Just read about the decay of UP in space.
Does meta-alloys influence UP health?
Found no info about this on the first page. sorry if it's already been answered.
 
Get your ADR recording out as soon as you can. I does not matter that it's pre-patch. It should still repeat the same signal over and over.

Impossible until next week. I'm still in Sicily's Paradise...
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Guys, part of Dread's discovery is that the signal is non-repeating.

Misunderstanding: my recording was made in a single star system, so what Han meant was that a single triplet of purrs should repeat forever. Anyway there could be a start marker purr or purrs. Who knows.
 
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What I like the most of CMDR Dreadp1r4te theory is that you don't need a starting point, cause you are sure that in 6 minutes you get the whole transmission.
If you add that 6 min is the overall UP life before it going poof, that's exactly what you get recording its full life cycle.
Moreover, in the next cycle, or recording, the purrs sequence will change, but the overall triplet counts will be the same, and explains very well why two recordings in the same place seem to differ at a first glance.
Of course it needs to be proved with other recordings, but being en extension of what I've been trying to achieve in the last few days with the purrs and the glyphs, I find it to be elegant and very plausible.
Now it's time to confirm it.

Easy way to test this, sum all the binary triplets from a recording and see if they add up to the same number every time while in the same system. No matter the order of appearance the sum should be the same.

Because why not, I made a program that will turn the series of '-' and '|' into binary triplets and sum them up. It is a java jar, and ignores spaces. Will not work if the whole series isn't filled with triplets. Is on dropbox here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bul4lzzrwoe9dnf/Checksum.7z?dl=0
 
Nice. I do hope you brought a mask and snorkel with you.

Are you kidding? :)
I've been coming here in the last 20 years and never seen a real life aquarium like this apart from The Coral Reefs I've been. It is AWESOME.
Fishes all around you. It's a marine reserve here. A waterworld. :)
And it's home.

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Arguendo

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You are misunderstanding something critical.
Actually, I am not.

When you eject an UP into space, it starts to degrade (target it, look at % health). From 100% life to POOF, you have 6 minutes.

Prior to the patch, the UP would go POOF after 6 minutes, but the audio would keep going. IE, no Probe, but still sounds. The patch fixed this. They adjusted the length of the audio, so it lasts 6 minutes, the same length of time as the maximum life of the Probe. Probe goes POOF, audio also goes POOF.

Asking for recordings longer than 6 minutes is impossible unless it is dropped on the surface of a planet. The problem with this, as has been discovered, the UP transmits a "wail" when near planets, and those "wails" can coincide with the other sounds, effectively hiding them. They only way to get a "good" recording of the message, is to drop it in space. And asking someone who spent 20-40 hours hunting a single UP to let it die to get a complete 6 minute recording is asking a lot.
This is not true though. The life of a UP is more like 6:30, making it very possible to get more than 6 minutes of video and audio. Look at Vent's "6 minute Merope" video. According to my sound file he ejects the UP at around 11 seconds and scoops it at around 6:28. That means it's been floating in space for 6:17, and it still had 6% health when he scooped it. So, we could have up to about 6:30 sound and video.
I believe my transcript of the UP sounds goes a little bit longer than 6 minutes, mostly due to it being difficult to hear the first purrs (thrusters and such mask the sounds in the beginning). Still, there is no clarification whether those 6 minutes means "at 6 minutes the Purrs will repeat", "at 6 minutes the chirps will repeat", or "at 6 minutes, randomly generate new cycle." We just don't know what the 6 minutes mean, because it's not clarified in the patch notes. It just says "timing interval", "probe" (note, not UP) and "just over 6 minutes." Timing interval for what? The whole string, select sounds? Is it really the UP (ofcourse we assume this!), and how much more than 6 minutes is "just over"?

So, I understand the life expectancy cycle due to degredation, but it is still unknown what exactly the patch did. We can read what you state into it, but it's too general to be sure.
(Being pedantic I know, but still ;) )

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THIS, EXACTLY.

UP life is 6 min.
See my reply to Kerrec. That is not true. It is "well over 6 minutes", not "just over 6 minutes."

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The theory still needs to be proved. Nothing better than a single star system like ADR GW-W d1-52....TESTING THIS SHOULD BE A PRIORITY FOR EVERY UP HOLDER, if any.

FINDING A FREE FLOATING UP, instead, should be a priority for every one else.
This! So very much this!

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I've added the theory to the front page, as it deserves it, for now at least.
I wholeheartedly agree!
 
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Arguendo

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I think your first test wouldn't work because the UP purrs don't repeat. That is to say that while they may transmit the same set of purr sequences, they are not transmitted in the same order every time.
Then the theory is not correct, because you have to be able to repeat it over and over and get the same result. If it does not repeat, and we don't have a clear start and end point, any chosen number of purrs is a completely random selection. A change by just one purr in the sequence will render the selection invalid, or you would have to force it to become a solution.

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Guys, part of Dread's discovery is that the signal is non-repeating.
If it's non-repeating, it's not a valid solution. There has to be some kind of repetition for it to be a solution. If not, then it's random and can be tossed out.
 
Then the theory is not correct, because you have to be able to repeat it over and over and get the same result. If it does not repeat, and we don't have a clear start and end point, any chosen number of purrs is a completely random selection. A change by just one purr in the sequence will render the selection invalid, or you would have to force it to become a solution.

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If it's non-repeating, it's not a valid solution. There has to be some kind of repetition for it to be a solution. If not, then it's random and can be tossed out.

I believe the current understanding is it's the same number of 'chirps/purrs' but they are in a scrambled order each time.

As in, I could re-write that sentence above and randomize the words, but it's still the same words. If I re-write it 10 times in one long string in random order each time I don't need a start or end point for each sentence, you can work it out based on the repeating number of unique words regardless of order - 'time' will appear 10 times, 'understanding' will appear 10 times, 'the' will appear 20 times, etc.
 
I need some help to verify a recent phenomena that I've experienced at Merope 5c in the giant crater. I scoured the crater in a grid pattern at a distance of 2.5 kilometers. I've found a single POI within the whole crater, but I am unable to see anything when I perform closer inspection. When I head back to 2.5km, the POI appears again. It is within a deep crater inside the megacrater. I believe I have video from last night that I'm going to upload. A funny thing to note is that the space around the POI was murky dark and seemed to be affected by gravitational lensintg. I thought it a trick of the eyes, so I had to look at other dark areas to rule out simple illusion. I make no definite statements, so I'm needing someone to go and verify the invisible POI. I don't believe it's a bug, as I have searched a very wide area and haven't seen but the ONE POI. I won't make any assumptions as to what this could mean. (Perhaps it's nothing). I can provide approximate coordinates inside the crater, provided that someone wants to go check it out.
 
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