I'm just beginning to suspect you're a troll. You don't really believe any of what you're posting, there's no way you can because there's nothing there.
I would change my name to that even if you hadn't ask me. Alas, name changes are not possible.
UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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I'm just beginning to suspect you're a troll. You don't really believe any of what you're posting, there's no way you can because there's nothing there.
I would change my name to that even if you hadn't ask me. Alas, name changes are not possible.
Sorry to be a pain - but you see i had acknowledged i was wrong in one respect, and came back with a different idea of changing the viewing perspective of the area where I suspect the image was. The hypothesis i just put up in the last 24 hrs is actually quite different to the one the day before that, i was wrong - back tracked and came at it from another angle, criticism was really helpful, but now im pretty confident in what i have - i am sorry you feel i am wasting your time, i've about come to the end of what i can put togethor and i will fade into the deep blue....
Farewell, Good Night and Good Luck....
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I had no idea, though in that case I'd only do it if I could change my in-game character name for free too. I want the two to match haha!
I dont like this tbh, it makes no sense to me. I am rather new here and I have observed that this is the routine in threadnought. Here is what doesnt make sense to me: why is an active participant's theory taken more seriously than someone who just drops in? We are all humans, it is understandible that you would be more inclined to listen to someone you have interacted with before. Especially if you have interacted with them via cookie images or better yet cat images!
But what I find most illogical is that if you know someone well (I dare question how well or accurately you might know someone from their sarcastic forum posts!) why do I need to know someone to judge their deductions or evidence or theories about the mystery?! I do not. Certainly I do not need to know if they like cats or cookies to judge their theory or tests they suggest. There is no way that you can know who that person that just dropped in for a one timer. He might be an astrophysicist, he might have been reading all 8000 something posts, he might have been researching into this on his own, conducting tests, evaluating etc. Or he might have a theory that is more valuable than looking at clouds or procedurally generated landscapes for answers. You DONT KNOW.
Threadnought brags about science and how we are doing science and how we are all aspiring to pretend to be scientists. Evidence, reason, trial and error should be the way to go. Not bias.
I am not trying to say that the thread should be a collection of scientific papers. That should be somewhere else
. But a measure of consideration before hitting that submit reply button surely would help save everyone elses time. It would sure help use my time more efficently. Remember that time is the most precious resource we possess.Edit: I dont mean to police the thread or anything, thats not my place at all guys. I just think it would be more productive to the common cause thats all.
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I am being critical here, and it's on purpose, because any theory needs to be criticised and then defended. Again, I like both your and Dreadp1r4ate's (DRP from now on to save typing) theory that the purrs have meaning. I believe the same. I don't think this is it though, as it has some serious holes in it so far. I would happily be proven wrong though!
Below are my main criticisms of this theory.
1. The "6 minute" limit is based on a loosely formulated patch notes. It is so vague, we don't really know in what context it is to be taken. We all believe it limits the UPs sound to a 6 minute interval, but we don't have recordings over much over 6 minutes to prove it. We only have lots of short ones, that we really can't compare.
2. When you group a consistent stream of sounds into groups of 3s, how do you decide which sound to start with? There is no clear starting point, so you can choose any sound to start with and they would all give the same answer. That's the theory, right? So, the transcription used for DRP's solution needs atleast 2 more sounds on either side of his solution. Then you would start it one sound to the left, two sounds to the left, one sound to the right, and finally two sounds to the right and the answer should be the same. I highly doubt that's the case, but since we don't have those we can't check. And, to extend that, the next symbol in the line has to be the first symbol that the segment started with, because if it isn't then the answer is different by moving one 3-bit. There can be no arbitrary "6 minutes anywhere". It has to be a repeating signal for it to have the same answer over and over again. Right now, it does not have this as far as I can tell.
3. There are inconsistancies in his solution, counting stars and ringed bodies in different sets. He even missed a double that he counted as single, and when he was made aware of it he just "updated his theory on the fly." He also arbitrarily designated 3-bit sequnces to Stars and Asteroid belts, as they fit his theory with that given solution. This to me indicates someone looking for a solution, finding something that may fit, and going in that direction. It feels forced, reverse engineered, call it what you want. It does not feel like a solid scientific breakthrough.
His theory is however easily confirmed.
1. Get a good clean recording of about 6:30 and note all purrs. This should give you about 3-6 extra purrs (3-9 second intervals between them). Start with the first one and stop at 6 minutes. Check the result. Now start with the second purr and stop at 6 minutes from that. Check the result. If they aren't consistent, it is not the solution. And now you see, the first signal after 6 minutes MUST BE the same as the first signal for the sequence to be true for all 6 minute segments.
2. Or, take the UP out to a system that only has one star, nothing else. Check a couple of purrs. If they are not all the same; solution gone...but it could then be argued that it only purrs another system (eg. the system it was picked up at originally, Merope, the system we should visit, etc etc). Solution, go to test #1
Again, I believe the purrs, wails, and even chirps have some other meaning to them. It would be very strange to me if they didn't. I just don't see this as a solution...yet. It may be a step in the right direction though.
You are misunderstanding something critical.
When you eject an UP into space, it starts to degrade (target it, look at % health). From 100% life to POOF, you have 6 minutes.
Prior to the patch, the UP would go POOF after 6 minutes, but the audio would keep going. IE, no Probe, but still sounds. The patch fixed this. They adjusted the length of the audio, so it lasts 6 minutes, the same length of time as the maximum life of the Probe. Probe goes POOF, audio also goes POOF.
Asking for recordings longer than 6 minutes is impossible unless it is dropped on the surface of a planet. The problem with this, as has been discovered, the UP transmits a "wail" when near planets, and those "wails" can coincide with the other sounds, effectively hiding them. They only way to get a "good" recording of the message, is to drop it in space. And asking someone who spent 20-40 hours hunting a single UP to let it die to get a complete 6 minute recording is asking a lot.
I didn't say that, I never meant that. I said one would get more attention. I really think all are considered seriously.
I agree that noise does not add value, but definitely adds sense. Do you realize all the sarcasm and jokes disappear every time something is going on? This thread is more like a a news paper, like the news in the TV, every morning will have 60 pages, or last 60 minutes, regardless the day, even if nothing happened or the whole world is at stake.
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Antimatter is my PET theory.
Shouldn't that be AET ? Antimatter Emission Tomography.
I saw a giant terrier's head on a scorpion body in the clouds the other day and people could see what I meant without having to draw a line round it. That picture above? Lay off the drugs/go out for a while. There is NOTHING there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
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I FOUND IT!!!!!
I just had to enhance the pixels.
I am being critical here, and it's on purpose, because any theory needs to be criticised and then defended. Again, I like both your and Dreadp1r4ate's (DRP from now on to save typing) theory that the purrs have meaning. I believe the same. I don't think this is it though, as it has some serious holes in it so far. I would happily be proven wrong though!
Below are my main criticisms of this theory.
1. The "6 minute" limit is based on a loosely formulated patch notes. It is so vague, we don't really know in what context it is to be taken. We all believe it limits the UPs sound to a 6 minute interval, but we don't have recordings over much over 6 minutes to prove it. We only have lots of short ones, that we really can't compare.
2. When you group a consistent stream of sounds into groups of 3s, how do you decide which sound to start with? There is no clear starting point, so you can choose any sound to start with and they would all give the same answer. That's the theory, right? So, the transcription used for DRP's solution needs atleast 2 more sounds on either side of his solution. Then you would start it one sound to the left, two sounds to the left, one sound to the right, and finally two sounds to the right and the answer should be the same. I highly doubt that's the case, but since we don't have those we can't check. And, to extend that, the next symbol in the line has to be the first symbol that the segment started with, because if it isn't then the answer is different by moving one 3-bit. There can be no arbitrary "6 minutes anywhere". It has to be a repeating signal for it to have the same answer over and over again. Right now, it does not have this as far as I can tell.
3. There are inconsistancies in his solution, counting stars and ringed bodies in different sets. He even missed a double that he counted as single, and when he was made aware of it he just "updated his theory on the fly." He also arbitrarily designated 3-bit sequnces to Stars and Asteroid belts, as they fit his theory with that given solution. This to me indicates someone looking for a solution, finding something that may fit, and going in that direction. It feels forced, reverse engineered, call it what you want. It does not feel like a solid scientific breakthrough.
His theory is however easily confirmed.
1. Get a good clean recording of about 6:30 and note all purrs. This should give you about 3-6 extra purrs (3-9 second intervals between them). Start with the first one and stop at 6 minutes. Check the result. Now start with the second purr and stop at 6 minutes from that. Check the result. If they aren't consistent, it is not the solution. And now you see, the first signal after 6 minutes MUST BE the same as the first signal for the sequence to be true for all 6 minute segments.
2. Or, take the UP out to a system that only has one star, nothing else. Check a couple of purrs. If they are not all the same; solution gone...but it could then be argued that it only purrs another system (eg. the system it was picked up at originally, Merope, the system we should visit, etc etc). Solution, go to test #1
Again, I believe the purrs, wails, and even chirps have some other meaning to them. It would be very strange to me if they didn't. I just don't see this as a solution...yet. It may be a step in the right direction though.
THIS, EXACTLY.
UP life is 6 min.
Whatever other recording made on a planet, where the UP does not decay, is not relevant for me.
That doesn't mean that we can try to work on them as well, but I suspect that UP is not built to land or be landed on a planet.
As I've already said many times, the UP sound must come from space, where it has a time limit, before expiring.
but I understand very well all Arguendo's points. The theory still needs to be proved. Nothing better than a single star system like ADR GW-W d1-52.
I have a recording made there, but it was before the patch.
TESTING THIS SHOULD BE A PRIORITY FOR EVERY UP HOLDER, if any.
FINDING A FREE FLOATING UP, instead, should be a priority for every one else.
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I've added the theory to the front page, as it deserves it, for now at least.
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Yeah I think it's just good ol' fashioned patience to be honest.
I'll stop the discussion for now as this is the wrong topic for it. Will make just one more once I get it to click
Thanks for the help, guys!
Read through to see if you had answer yet, saw a lot of ing about off-topic. So I'll answer you, since obtaining your cargo racks from Palin IS related to the UP hunt.
When I did mine, I did a mission or two for Sirius in the Sirius system, flew back, no mission. So I went to the other base thats a bit further out. And it was there. Forget the name of it, but there's only two in system. Good luck interog.. I mean.. Meeting Palin.
But still perhaps the correct thing to do with one if we want a clear answer for science perposes.
Holding onto a UP gives no value inherently. May as well let one die for the perposes of a clear recording. That has a lot of value.
A UP's life should be 6 minutes and 40 seconds. This means that the new transmission time is likely shorter than the total lifetime of an UP in space. Recording for 6:30 is unlikely to happen without losing the UP.
Letting a UP die for just one recording is a waste. What good will some extra chirps, purrs and honks come if we can't get a good starting point and can't make any sense of the rest? A few trailing data isn't going to help you solve all the rest. I've hold onto my UP for a long while without much testing, as anything that people could come up with was too farfetched to risk it. It's only recently that I used it more and used it to test Bungalo's theories, which led to the discovery of wail/no-wail behaviour rules, or at least part of it.
There are currently only 2 known UPs in the game, 3 if I get mine back. Think about all the hours people have spend the last two weeks to find more and then think about how promising your experiments are and how much risk it puts on losing the UP (without it bugging out or you disconnecting). You're saying it's worth it to lose an UP for an experiment while at the same time we're currently waiting for UPs to become available for experiments in the first place.
Letting a UP die for just one recording is a waste. What good will some extra chirps, purrs and honks come if we can't get a good starting point and can't make any sense of the rest? A few trailing data isn't going to help you solve all the rest. I've hold onto my UP for a long while without much testing, as anything that people could come up with was too farfetched to risk it. It's only recently that I used it more and used it to test Bungalo's theories, which led to the discovery of wail/no-wail behaviour rules, or at least part of it.
There are currently only 2 known UPs in the game, 3 if I get mine back. Think about all the hours people have spend the last two weeks to find more and then think about how promising your experiments are and how much risk it puts on losing the UP (without it bugging out or you disconnecting). You're saying it's worth it to lose an UP for an experiment while at the same time we're currently waiting for UPs to become available for experiments in the first place.
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Read through to see if you had answer yet, saw a lot of ing about off-topic. So I'll answer you, since obtaining your cargo racks from Palin IS related to the UP hunt.
When I did mine, I did a mission or two for Sirius in the Sirius system, flew back, no mission. So I went to the other base thats a bit further out. And it was there. Forget the name of it, but there's only two in system. Good luck interog.. I mean.. Meeting Palin.
Thanks for noticing why I thought it WAS. relevant question. You will be pleased to know I finally got my mission to actually go and meet Qwent. It eventually spawned at the Patterson station in Sirius from the Sirius Corp mission giver.
I'm well on my way to Palin now. I already have the 5k LY under my belt easily
I am being critical here, and it's on purpose, because any theory needs to be criticised and then defended. Again, I like both your and Dreadp1r4ate's (DRP from now on to save typing) theory that the purrs have meaning. I believe the same. I don't think this is it though, as it has some serious holes in it so far. I would happily be proven wrong though!
Below are my main criticisms of this theory.
1. The "6 minute" limit is based on a loosely formulated patch notes. It is so vague, we don't really know in what context it is to be taken. We all believe it limits the UPs sound to a 6 minute interval, but we don't have recordings over much over 6 minutes to prove it. We only have lots of short ones, that we really can't compare.
2. When you group a consistent stream of sounds into groups of 3s, how do you decide which sound to start with? There is no clear starting point, so you can choose any sound to start with and they would all give the same answer. That's the theory, right? So, the transcription used for DRP's solution needs atleast 2 more sounds on either side of his solution. Then you would start it one sound to the left, two sounds to the left, one sound to the right, and finally two sounds to the right and the answer should be the same. I highly doubt that's the case, but since we don't have those we can't check. And, to extend that, the next symbol in the line has to be the first symbol that the segment started with, because if it isn't then the answer is different by moving one 3-bit. There can be no arbitrary "6 minutes anywhere". It has to be a repeating signal for it to have the same answer over and over again. Right now, it does not have this as far as I can tell.
3. There are inconsistancies in his solution, counting stars and ringed bodies in different sets. He even missed a double that he counted as single, and when he was made aware of it he just "updated his theory on the fly." He also arbitrarily designated 3-bit sequnces to Stars and Asteroid belts, as they fit his theory with that given solution. This to me indicates someone looking for a solution, finding something that may fit, and going in that direction. It feels forced, reverse engineered, call it what you want. It does not feel like a solid scientific breakthrough.
His theory is however easily confirmed.
1. Get a good clean recording of about 6:30 and note all purrs. This should give you about 3-6 extra purrs (3-9 second intervals between them). Start with the first one and stop at 6 minutes. Check the result. Now start with the second purr and stop at 6 minutes from that. Check the result. If they aren't consistent, it is not the solution. And now you see, the first signal after 6 minutes MUST BE the same as the first signal for the sequence to be true for all 6 minute segments.
2. Or, take the UP out to a system that only has one star, nothing else. Check a couple of purrs. If they are not all the same; solution gone...but it could then be argued that it only purrs another system (eg. the system it was picked up at originally, Merope, the system we should visit, etc etc). Solution, go to test #1
Again, I believe the purrs, wails, and even chirps have some other meaning to them. It would be very strange to me if they didn't. I just don't see this as a solution...yet. It may be a step in the right direction though.
I think your first test wouldn't work because the UP purrs don't repeat. That is to say that while they may transmit the same set of purr sequences, they are not transmitted in the same order every time.
I was able many times to record UA AND UP until 1% life, just keeping them very close to the scoop, then scooping them at 1%.
It can be done.
Not sure, but I think so.
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