General / Off-Topic Another Low tech terror attack?

[Minonian]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/world/europe/london-knife-attack.html?_r=0

One person was killed and five were wounded Wednesday night in a knife attack in London, the Metropolitan Police said.

The police said they were called around 10:30 p.m. about a man with a knife who was attacking people in Russell Square, a park in Central London. A woman in her 60s died at the scene, the police said.

Five others, two women and three men, were wounded. Details about their conditions and injuries were not immediately available, although the police said on Twitter on Thursday morning that three people had been discharged from the hospital.

As a side note get a good leather jacket! It's capable to defend you from a knife attack.

 

[Sunleader]

Only if the Knife aint good.

But more importandly. In NY People are killed everyday. Its not exactly rare.

 

[Andy Kappa]

At this point the reason for the attack is unclear. Although a terrorist justification is being looked at, some kind of mental illness seems to be the main focus of attention (as the linked report indicates a little way down the page).

 

[Necronaught]

As with every single one of these attacks the coincidence theorists pipe up until the great reveal that it is a terrorist. They don't deploy those type of cops for some nutter.

 

[Minonian]

@ Sunleader Not true! It's about what kind of jacket you got? A half MM thin thingy is worthless. a good thick one? That's protects you against the best knives. Plus it's cozy and also protects you from bad weather.

Trust me if you got one good leather jacket you don't need umbrella or rain jacket, just a good hat. cold? No problem? Al trough i'm definitely not suggesting in the summer.
Bleeding heart poor animals nonsense? Please! If you kill it and eat it anyway you can skin it and use his leather. And as the things looks like in W Europe you must think about thing like this in the future.

 

[Sunleader]

@ Sunleader Not true! It's about what kind of jacket you got? A half MM thin thingy is worthless. a good thick one? That's protects you against the best knives. Plus it's cozy and also protects you from bad weather.

Trust me if you got one good leather jacket you don't need umbrella or rain jacket, just a good hat. cold? No problem? Al trough i'm definitely not suggesting in the summer.
Bleeding heart poor animals nonsense? Please! If you kill it and eat it anyway you can skin it and use his leather. And as the things looks like in W Europe you must think about thing like this in the future.

Mate no Offense.
But an normal Stabbing Knife will go through anything but an Close Combat Kevlar West.

An Leather Jacket Protects Reasonably well from Cuts and might in some cases even stop some smaller Knifes or an Knife with a Fairly Thick Blade.
But even the Best Leather Jacket wont Protect you from someone Stabbing you with an Normal Combat Knife or one of the very common Snatch Knifes (the ones which spring up the blade dont know what theyre called in English)

Thing is that if the Guy Stabs you the Jacket will be Penetrated. Heck even Light Kevlar Wests can be Penetrated by that. An Leather Jackets wont help you much there.
Which is not very Surprising. Because a Knife in Stabbing will actually have more Power behind it than even a Bullet Fired from a 9mm Pistol.

Never Underestimate a Knife. A Knife is a Dangerous and Lethal Weapon if the Person Wielding it knows some Basics of how its used.
An Leather Jacket or even a Jeans Jacket can Protect you from some Idiot which Swings around his Knife like it was some sort of a Sword. But it wont do anything if he Stabs you.

 

[verminstar]

(the ones which spring up the blade dont know what theyre called in English)

Perhaps ye mean a switch blade?

And a leather jacket won't protect ye from anything more than a bread knife.

If yer unable to put a knife attacker down using nothing more than yer bare hands, then yer probably better off not engaging someone with a knife. Even those with training in close combat will know that knives make fer unpredictable outcomes...and that wearing a leather jacket won't stop a damned thing apart from the cold. As SL points out, a determined enough attack would see aforementioned bread knife going through it too...hell, even a sharpened wooden stake will go through a kevlar jacket if there's enough force behind it, and that's assuming the blow doesn't crack a rib or two which is enough to put just about anyone on their knees anyway.

Anyone who has even an inkling of how to fight would go fer the legs anyway...back of the knees is a perfect spot when ye slice horizontally to take out the tendons.

That's after ye take the knife off them in case they hurt themselves with it...in their best interests after all.

As to the OP...looks like a regular nutcase crime. It's possible the guy takes motivation from a religious angle, but it doesn't look or feel like an organized attack in any shape or form. Some eejit maybe got short changed in starbucks and decided he's gonna go and do some damage. Things like this happen all the time in every corner of the world...but everyone is on tender hooks rights now and walking on eggshells. Would be unwise at this point to jump to the wrong conclusions without knowing all the details ^^

 

[Minonian]

True. It's not offers perfect protection, and you need to know some self protection technices. But in the other hand? This is worth to wach just to know how much stopping power leather can have. A jacket? It's limited, but still capable to lessen the wound what's a matter of life and death. Don't underestimate it.

[video=youtube;472fNlfSQYU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=472fNlfSQYU[/video]

[video=youtube;fuEVjxLrc9k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuEVjxLrc9k[/video]

 

[verminstar]

Technically speaking, there's a huge difference between a chunk of hardened leather and the much softer tanned leather of jackets, but ye do make a good point. Armies of old would have worn leather armor and there's even a saying we use here to describe things that are built to last and never fail..."tough as old boots"...obviously because the old leather boots would have worn the soles through before the rest of the boot fell apart ^^

 

[Minonian]

Besides you know why the argument of the full force of blow and cut is invalid? For the reason this guy is mentioned. A trained warrior, or a simple man, in his right mind not just going to sand still and take the full force the attack. he will going to try deflect, block, or evade it. The rest of it, can be mitigated by a thicker leather jacket, or even a jeans.

 

[SMcA]

Perhaps ye mean a switch blade?

Or a flick knife as we used to call them on the mainland, in the day.

And a leather jacket won't protect ye from anything more than a bread knife.

It might from a slash if the leather is heavy enough. Not from a thrust.

As to the OP...looks like a regular nutcase crime. It's possible the guy takes motivation from a religious angle, but it doesn't look or feel like an organized attack in any shape or form. Some eejit maybe got short changed in starbucks and decided he's gonna go and do some damage. Things like this happen all the time in every corner of the world...but everyone is on tender hooks rights now and walking on eggshells. Would be unwise at this point to jump to the wrong conclusions without knowing all the details ^^

You are probably right it was just a heidcase but maybe some bar steward had been whispering in his ear.
Then again the media don't help with their speculations. [mad]

 

[verminstar]

Ye, I see where yer going with this. Personally though, I would stick to me old skinhead days and dust off the old bomber jacket...thing had so much padding that everytime ye walked into the wind, it looked like ye were wearing a couple of tires.

I'm old fashioned when it comes to stuff like that...still have my old army jack boots somewhere hidden away but I'm not as fast as I used to be so I won't be acting the hero anytime soon. Younger man's game now ^^

 

[Monk]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/world/europe/london-knife-attack.html?_r=0



As a side note get a good leather jacket! It's capable to defend you from a knife attack.

People are nut sauce, nothing new. Of course, every side to every wedge will take whatever suits their agenda.




I've been wanting it to become socially acceptable to wear leather armor all the time.

 

[verminstar]

Or a flick knife as we used to call them on the mainland, in the day.


It might from a slash if the leather is heavy enough. Not from a thrust.



You are probably right it was just a heidcase but maybe some bar steward had been whispering in his ear.
Then again the media don't help with their speculations. [mad]

Some of my own beliefs are a fair bit more to the right than the left, but even I'm not gonna jump on that bandwagon. It's just an "incident"...guy maybe was a religious nutter, and there's plenty of those around at the best of times...but this just wasn't a planned terrorist attack. If anything, I would have thought it more as a diversion than an actual attack. That or it's just normal everyday domestic stuff.

 

[Minonian]

I suggest pig leather.

They are not going to touch you!
if you ask me, this is some sort of magic. After all it's chases them out of this world.

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People are nut sauce, nothing new. Of course, every side to every wedge will take whatever suits their agenda.




I've been wanting it to become socially acceptable to wear leather armor all the time.

Since when a good looking jacket counts as armor?

 

[verminstar]

I got 2 jack russells...the 5 year old is trained to my voice only and she will attack on one word...even a person. The younger never leaves my side and even sleeps on my bed every night...where I go, she goes although she was harder to train because her previous owner was a bollox...work in progress.

Trust me...they can jump 4-5 times their height and they very fast and hard to catch...ye think they gonna hesitate if someone threatens me with a knife?

I ain't even remotely worried when they with me ^^

 

[Minonian]

Yeah that's what you need Dogs and pig leather jackets. They are not going to get close to you...

 

[Sunleader]

Besides you know why the argument of the full force of blow and cut is invalid? For the reason this guy is mentioned. A trained warrior, or a simple man, in his right mind not just going to sand still and take the full force the attack. he will going to try deflect, block, or evade it. The rest of it, can be mitigated by a thicker leather jacket, or even a jeans.

Mate the Video shows an Light Crossbow and a Sword.
On a 6mm Hardened Leather Piece which was used for Armor in the Medieval.

You cannot wear such Stuff as a Jacket. You would not be able to move xD
And he only Demonstrated it Protecting against Cuts and Light Crossbow Fire.



And well. Unfortunately. Most People wont offer much Resistance in a Knife Fight.
Problem is they are Surprised and often Stunned by Fear. Worse they are usually unable to cope with the Situation.

You need to get away from the Idea that this is going to be a Fight in the First Place.
Someone who comes with a Knife wont announce himself.
He will come at you and Stab you. Just like that. No questions Asked.
Most People with a Knife will grab you to prevent you from moving away. And most untrained Attempts to deflect the Knife wont stop it from going into you.


But well you already Corrected your Statement there to a level which I can agree with.

An Leather Jacket will Provide an Limited Protection which will Lessen the Wounds you take.
Pls note this of course only goes for an Leather Jacket using Leather which was not Softened or Smoothed out. Smoothed Leather usually used for Jackets Offers little more Protection than any normal Mantle you got.

 

[Demascus]

I love dogs, have own one or two most of my life. With zero offense intended im pretty sure a determined criminal could punt kick a jack russel.

 

[Arry]

I love dogs, have own one or two most of my life. With zero offense intended im pretty sure a determined criminal could punt kick a jack russel.

These dogs kill rats with ease and yes, an adult with a knife is 20 times bigger than a rat. With the russels and terriers, their speed is the thing; if the dog has a mind to go for the hand with the knife. My money is on the dog, then it would be up to you to move in and take care of the rest.