UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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Yagi Uda

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Yagi Uda said:
<snip> My focus has been on the "data burst" in the UP sound 5 seconds before the globe image appears.
Problem is there's no easy way that I can find to determine the coding type / rate, and no commonly available 'universal' decoder software, so my conclusion is that it is a dead end as it's "too difficult", or more likely now given the picture it may just be noise there after all...
https://imgur.com/7hj7lHf
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Further to the above, I did find some old software (that needed venerable WinXP to run) that would autodetect digital modulation, but I still had no joy. It saw the same two peaks that I did by eye. But when the software was trying to determine the baud / bit rate the result was not consistent, so making it even more likely than before there's only noise there. I manually tried a number of baud rates, and produced some 'output' but it was all random rubbish. No "WE'RE HIDING BEHIND MEROPE 6" message :-( More complexity is added when you needed to choose the character set - 7 bit or 8 bit ASCII, or Baudot etc. making it again feel too complex to be correct. I'm not sure our aliens know ASCII...

http://imgur.com/a/hR3az

So this is just to add more negative evidence when looking at part of the UP signal looking for data to decode.

We know we have community friends in JPL, and at the BBC. Do we have other friends at other 'acronym' organisations like the NSA or GCHQ? :)
 

Stillsober

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Anyone else noticed MB has been very quiet lately.
i feel we need a poke in the right direction.
So many different theories I'm struggling to keep up.
And without a definitive yes or no to each theory we just keep circling the drain.
i hope someone will make sense of it soon.
So far the binary code for system data and the wailing for life on planets seems like the more complete theory,
"Barneylocator theory" but has this been tested to the full or is it still just theoretical thinking.

Someone please I am not joking I'm starting to see the diagram in my sleep and I don't like that.
 

Matt

M
Just a thought on binary triplets, it could be error correction like the binary error correction/checksum/redundancy that audio CDs have.

Parity bits etc.

It would at least help us know we'd transcribed something wrong or have a bad recording
 
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AnotherVoice

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From what i have heard and understand from the stream, we need to "keep going" visiting various places and honking UP. I'm pretty sure all we need to do is to find the right place to honk it.
 

Toxophilist.

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CFF said:
I believe the current understanding is it's the same number of 'chirps/purrs' but they are in a scrambled order each time.

As in, I could re-write that sentence above and randomize the words, but it's still the same words. If I re-write it 10 times in one long string in random order each time I don't need a start or end point for each sentence, you can work it out based on the repeating number of unique words regardless of order - 'time' will appear 10 times, 'understanding' will appear 10 times, 'the' will appear 20 times, etc.
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I pictured a bag of scrabble tiles to visualise this. Always the same number of letters and blanks. Always a different order of being picked.
 

Colonel Kenney

Colonel Kenney
The UP message I suspected the 90 degree arc was indeed an "Atmosphere". We kept ruling it out.

Its going to be a ringed planet with an atmosphere we need to find to bring the probe. But one with life. Maybe even a water world.

Gas giant with water based life?


From Merope

Pleiades Sector EB-X c1-10 2 Pleiades Sector EB-X c1-10 Gas giant with water-based life 892 ls 20.00 ly
Pleiades Sector EB-X c1-10 1 Pleiades Sector EB-X c1-10 Gas giant with water-based life 929 ls 20.00 ly
HIP 17837 B 2 HIP 17837 Gas giant with water-based life 89,206 ls 68.75 ly
HIP 17837 A 4 HIP 17837 Gas giant with water-based life 1,795 ls 68.75 ly
Pleiades Sector JD-R b5-3 6 Pleiades Sector JD-R b5-3 Gas giant with water-based life 912 ls 76.15 ly
HIP 21359 ABC 6 HIP 21359 Gas giant with water-based life 2,648 ls 89.69 ly
HIP 21359 ABC 5 HIP 21359 Gas giant with water-based life 2,670 ls 89.69 ly[/B]
 
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LordZoltan

LordZoltan
CMDR Arguendo said:
UP recording from Single Star System can be found here.
Video file here.
Image of system here.

Courtesy of Vent! Thanks a lot!

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Quick transcript of sounds. - = High, l = LOW. First Purr at around 30 seconds. Only about 4 minutes in Classified Camera, but that should be enough.

l l - - l l - - l - - l - - l l - - l - l l - - l - - l - l l - - l l - l - - l l - - l l - l - - l - l - l l

Opposite: - = LOW, l = HIGH
- - l l - - l l - l l - l l - - l l - l - - l l - l l - l - - l l - - l - l l - - l l - - l - l l - l - l - -
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Kinda kills the theory I think?
 

CMDR Kyle Donovan

CMDR Kyle Donovan
Toxophilist. said:
I pictured a bag of scrabble tiles to visualise this. Always the same number of letters and blanks. Always a different order of being picked.
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Seatec Astronomy?
No More Secrets?

In all seriousness if it's Manchester Code then right off the bat I can think of a few questions (not counting starting/stopping points in the actual data stream):

1: Is there a separate timing signal to indicate clock frequency?

2: Does the "clock cycle" start from a low or a high?

2: Is the output G.E. Thomas standard or IEEE 802.3? The difference between them is the highs and lows being swapped.
 

William H. Bonney

W
just throwing this out there

Ground rules...

with the Jaques Station being so far away and ..
1. being known as a tourist location
2. having a CG aimed aiming towards it staying there
3. It being in a nebula
4. EOL PROU AA-A being a black hole
5. EOL PROU AA-A being 142.66LY from Jaques Station

A. is it at all possible that we're looking at a black hole/worm hole scenario?
B. The Maia black hole being door number one
C. EOL PROU AA-A being door number two

the "key" spectrogram (picture by sound) is showing the following

1. top right = nearest black hole (worm hole) can send and/or receive
2. bottom left |-- and right --| is for orientation purposes
3. the centre of circle with horizontal/vertical lines is Sagittarius A*
4. the line from Sagittarius A* to the bottom right is the current location
5. the two lines coming from bottom left are showing direction to nearest nebula destination black holes/worm holes (with Sagittarius A* being the starting point).


i have followed these threads for a while and don't remember seeing anything along these lines so am merely putting it out there so to speak.

any one else think we may be looking at worm hole travel to curve the boredom of long-distance exploration (for the ones who don't like it anyway). I can't see how Jaques Station is a tourist attraction considering how far away it is. much better for the tourist to go through a worm hole, visit the station and be home again in a short amount time??

Lee
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Jorki Rasalas said:
Only 5598 in this subthreadnaught (this is the eighth) :)
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- Most active topic on the forums almost continuously since Arc started the first
- most number of contributors
- most reads
- most involvement from FD - specifically MB - (that's not about patches)
- topic which has blown the thread limit fastest (2 weeks 2 days I think for thread 5 or 6 was it?)
- and, despite that, and despite the occasional snippiness we all fall foul of from time to time, for all those posts, people, views, theories snubbed or disproven, the mods only have to step in very rarely.

Quite impressive from everyone who's ever been involved, really. (Pats backs of everyone)
 

TFW Primus

TFW Primus
LordZoltan said:
- Most active topic on the forums almost continuously since Arc started the first
- most number of contributors
- most reads
- most involvement from FD - specifically MB - (that's not about patches)
- topic which has blown the thread limit fastest (2 weeks 2 days I think for thread 5 or 6 was it?)
- and, despite that, and despite the occasional snippiness we all fall foul of from time to time, for all those posts, people, views, theories snubbed or disproven, the mods only have to step in very rarely.

Quite impressive from everyone who's ever been involved, really. (Pats backs of everyone)
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These threads are big enough to have their own conventions :) The cosplay tho...
 

CFF

C
LordZoltan said:
Kinda kills the theory I think?
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I think we may need to re-think some of this. I suggest we start by not worrying about what they symbols mean and just see if there is some consistency to the pattern we find from the 'chirps' the UP makes.

So (- 'low' | 'high'):

-|- = Top Left Quadrant in Image (Q1)
-|| = Top Right Quadrant in Image (Q2)
|-- = Bottom Left Quadrant in Image (Q3)
--| = Bottom Right Quadrant in Image (Q4)

Interpreting the above we have:

--l Q4
l-- Q3
ll-
ll-
ll-
-ll Q2
-l- Q1
-ll Q2
-ll Q2
-l- Q1
-ll Q2
--l Q4
-ll Q2
--l Q4
l-- Q3
l-l
l-l
-l- Q1
-

The Q3 quadrant, which Dread thought was Barnacle planets, might be stars (lines emanating from surface of sphere could indicate light rays). There were technically 2 stars in Merope (main and a Y Dwarf). That would mean this message has been repeated twice in this sequence (assuming the sequence is complete, which it probably isn't as we are missing two bits, or have an extra one).

If it was repeated twice we'd have 1xQ3 (indicating the star), but odd numbers of the rest.

So still some thinking to do here, and we need WAY more recordings. And probably an app to process them so that isn't left to interpretation.
 

Arguendo

Volunteer Moderator
Arguendo
Colonel Kenney said:
The UP message I suspected the 90 degree arc was indeed an "Atmosphere". We kept ruling it out.
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Where did you see that it was "indeed an 'Atmosphere'."? I didn't follow the stream, so was that were you heard it? I haven't seen a definitive answer on this one, but it sounds like you have.

LordZoltan said:
Kinda kills the theory I think?
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It kills atleast part of the theory. So far, only the interpretation of what the different Purrs mean has been debunked. It may still contain a message, where sequences mean specific objects. Remember, the four symbols in the UP reply does NOT have the sequence believed to be a star (110 iirc). So, they basis for the theory is still there, but it needs more testing.
I'm still not convinced due to the randomness of when we start the sequencing. Someone did suggest to start right after it's done with its reply though, which is a good suggestion.

On another note. I know it's up for debate what symbols to use for what Purrs. Are Low represented as - or l? Who knows? That is why I always include both possibilities. If we use the wrong one, we may miss an obvious pattern. If we always use both (tedious, yes I know) then atleast we have a chance to spot it because we covered both bases. Another suggestion to use different symbology altogether is good, but I am afraid we can miss an obvious pattern that looks like the "four corner symbols" then a well, as our brain has to convert them and then see the pattern.
So, I know it frustrates you, but until we have a definite answer about which symbol refers to which Purr, I will keep using both. Sorry in advance ;)
 

CMDR Runcible Shaw

CMDR Runcible Shaw
Yagi Uda said:
Further to the above, I did find some old software (that needed venerable WinXP to run) that would autodetect digital modulation, but I still had no joy. It saw the same two peaks that I did by eye. But when the software was trying to determine the baud / bit rate the result was not consistent, so making it even more likely than before there's only noise there. I manually tried a number of baud rates, and produced some 'output' but it was all random rubbish. No "WE'RE HIDING BEHIND MEROPE 6" message :-( More complexity is added when you needed to choose the character set - 7 bit or 8 bit ASCII, or Baudot etc. making it again feel too complex to be correct. I'm not sure our aliens know ASCII...

http://imgur.com/a/hR3az

So this is just to add more negative evidence when looking at part of the UP signal looking for data to decode.

We know we have community friends in JPL, and at the BBC. Do we have other friends at other 'acronym' organisations like the NSA or GCHQ? :)
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No one but us chickens.
 

Arguendo

Volunteer Moderator
Arguendo
And btw, as far as I understand it, the UP wails near ANY planet. It has nothing to do with life, just whether it's a planet or not.
So it seems to me like it's saying "NO. I am not supposed to be here!" ;)
 
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