UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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How do you know they aren't related?

Because they said so? and the rift mystery has been in since gamma release :p

How about we actually find ingame evidence connecting the two first before claiming hearsay and gossip as fact.

So I checked out the Federal Incursion yesterday and today. Tried mapping the locations Jmanis found. Incidentally I did not find any free floaters in Hyades Sector AB-W B2-2

Had the same experience RE: free-floater UAs in that system.
 
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Was thinking about the Arecibo message and UP signal

If this has been discussed, please ignore...
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I came across the Arecibo Message: "In 1974 as the most powerful broadcast ever deliberately beamed into space was made from Puerto Rico." Aim - say Hello to the aliens. (read more here)
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Now we got a message from the UP. I was wondering if this is a map or a pointer, how should one set reference points. Why not us prominent object in the night sky? Flying around and watching the night sky in my Asp - the Magellanic clouds popped up. Looking for the relative position to Sol, this came up:
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The top right arc in the UP message could represent an outer arm as 2nd reference. And the line at 16:30 in the UP's message shows the general direction to look at? (and not a small area to look at) Eventually the symbols around the circle narrow down the region to look at. Just a thought.
 
If this has been discussed, please ignore...
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I came across the Arecibo Message: "In 1974 as the most powerful broadcast ever deliberately beamed into space was made from Puerto Rico." Aim - say Hello to the aliens. (read more here)
Now we got a message from the UP. I was wondering if this is a map or a pointer, how should one set reference points. Why not us prominent object in the night sky? Flying around and watching the night sky in my Asp - the Magellanic clouds popped up. Looking for the relative position to Sol, this came up:
The top right arc in the UP message could represent an outer arm as 2nd reference. And the line at 16:30 in the UP's message shows the general direction to look at? (and not a small area to look at) Eventually the symbols around the circle narrow down the region to look at. Just a thought.

About the Small Magellanic Cloud

If you type in the search: "PSR", we obtain the coordinates of the pulsar (9,183_~-11,290_6,647).
When you look at the small Magellanic Cloud, then look directly at the stars, but they are much closer than the "cloud"
However, to see the properties of the stars does not work - the restriction (border) for the galactic map.
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I've got to ask...Is the discord any different from the thread? I've been finding I'm getting progressively more annoyed with the general thread compared to the earlier ones(Not to pick on anyone its just me and how the thread is going currently due to slowness), But it seems like its really the only place to stay up to date with the current going ons...I mean I could Check the front page every so often but thats generally only got info about important finds or popular infomation...
 
So I checked out the Federal Incursion yesterday and today. Tried mapping the locations Jmanis found. Incidentally I did not find any free floaters in Hyades Sector AB-W B2-2 ( It was on the upper edge of the UA shell 145 something ly) - I didnt stay super long though either. Was hoping there was a pattern beyond the "stepping stones" that might give us some ideas about UP locations ... The only thing I noticed was that the progression of stations didn't follow in order from Fed Space to the Pleiades ... Alpha Outpost is in the middle.


Thank you for this one.
Beautiful and useful. :)
 
So I checked out the Federal Incursion yesterday and today. Tried mapping the locations Jmanis found. Incidentally I did not find any free floaters in Hyades Sector AB-W B2-2 ( It was on the upper edge of the UA shell 145 something ly) - I didnt stay super long though either. Was hoping there was a pattern beyond the "stepping stones" that might give us some ideas about UP locations ... The only thing I noticed was that the progression of stations didn't follow in order from Fed Space to the Pleiades ... Alpha Outpost is in the middle.

Wait...Wait...I just had a brilliant idea....Remember how UP convoys were talking about Orbital testing in i think "alpha and now heading towards beta site" Maybe this is our new hint?
Its possible while they were testing(even if its a completly different system) they found ideal locations for bases and now after the (Cg i think?) we have them in the "testing" locations?
 
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does nobody think,
something is still not right with the spectrumgram with the audio artists that frontier have in house they are able to make spectrograms of far better quality then we did get now,

when you search on the internet people are able to make a audio file that let see Obama, cats, demons corporate logo's and this is what we did get.

This must mean we still have not the right audio track that will reveal the right image to help us further.

On the live stream of ed there is recorded a new file with the multiple up, when is this shared to the other cannon members
 
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I've got to ask...Is the discord any different from the thread? I've been finding I'm getting progressively more annoyed with the general thread compared to the earlier ones(Not to pick on anyone its just me and how the thread is going currently due to slowness), But it seems like its really the only place to stay up to date with the current going ons...I mean I could Check the front page every so often but thats generally only got info about important finds or popular infomation...

The thread is actually at a quite high at the moment.
The frustration is expected. It's due to lack of UPs. We had a lot of the same in thread one, when only two UAs were about.

When we find free floater UPs, the mood will lighten up, because everyone can test their favourit idea them self.

The UP tests performed so far, have been sensible and we have learned a lot.

We have progerss all the time. Just not the kind that contains the final answer.
 
does nobody think,
something is still not right with the spectrumgram with the audio artists that frontier have in house they are able to make spectrograms of far better quality then we did get now,

when you search on the internet people are able to make a audio file that let see Obama, cats, demons corporate logo's and this is what we did get.

This must mean we still have not the right audio track that will reveal the right image to help us further.

On the live stream of ed there is recorded a new file with the multiple up, when is this shared to the other cannon members
Its possible its intended to be "blurry" in a sense, I wouldnt put it past that maybe more than one ua could give us a clearer one(maybe?) But the sound guys probs have the clearest one, and we have the ingame one with intentional noise
So even if we clear it all up Its possible it'll just give us "Data" we already have
 
Wait...Wait...I just had a brilliant idea....Remember how UP convoys were talking about Orbital testing in i think "alpha and now heading towards beta site" Maybe this is our new hint?
Its possible while they were testing(even if its a completly different system) they found ideal locations for bases and now after the (Cg i think?) we have them in the "testing" locations?

Interesting .... I had forgot about that

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ead-7-The-Canonn/page24?p=4155108#post4155108
 
The thread is actually at a quite high at the moment.
The frustration is expected. It's due to lack of UPs. We had a lot of the same in thread one, when only two UAs were about.

When we find free floater UPs, the mood will lighten up, because everyone can test their favourit idea them self.

The UP tests performed so far, have been sensible and we have learned a lot.

We have progerss all the time. Just not the kind that contains the final answer.
I think I'm just seeing a lot of toe stepping and its probs just getting to me! maybe i should spend more time looking for probes instead xD, But yeah I argee once we find Free floaters it'll be a very speedy thread again(With tons of tests hopefully!)
 
If this has been discussed, please ignore...
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I came across the Arecibo Message: "In 1974 as the most powerful broadcast ever deliberately beamed into space was made from Puerto Rico." Aim - say Hello to the aliens. (read more here)
Now we got a message from the UP. I was wondering if this is a map or a pointer, how should one set reference points. Why not us prominent object in the night sky? Flying around and watching the night sky in my Asp - the Magellanic clouds popped up. Looking for the relative position to Sol, this came up:
The top right arc in the UP message could represent an outer arm as 2nd reference. And the line at 16:30 in the UP's message shows the general direction to look at? (and not a small area to look at) Eventually the symbols around the circle narrow down the region to look at. Just a thought.

For finding things (any thing) this is a good question to ask.

As we all know, finding a precise location on a rotating sphere requires a fixed point in space at the same time each day. For us on Earth Time 0 is when an arbitrary point (Greenwich) is directly below the sun.

In this case, personally I use the rings of Merope 5 in relation to Merope 5C's orbital plane. When you position yourself so you are in the same plane as the orbit in supercruise, and target Merope 5c, move so the ellipse becomes a line. The follow the line until the Merope 5 rings also make a line. I call this Time 0 as it will always be constant regardless of the season. If you then fly around to the opposite side, that point in latitude and longitude will always be directly below Merope 5 at that time of day.

To illustrate (Edit: updated with a gallery that includes the reverse view):

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We need to do this as, even though Merope 5c is tidally locked we still need to know the time. If Merope 5c had an axial tilt of 0 degrees, we would not need to know the time; the same position (lat,long) would always be below Merope 5. But Merope 5c has an axial tilt of -15.78 degrees, which means the point will oscillate above and below the centre line (ie if you draw a line from the centre of gravity between Merope 5 and Merope 5c's centre, a point would move 15.78 degrees above and below this line in a 6.6 day cycle). I tried measuring the rate of change, and at the time I was there, it was 0.6 degrees north/south per hour, and 0.1 degrees east/west per hour... but that would only be at that time. It could be calculated more accurately as the ratio between the visible long and short axis of the rings, and use trig... but my Maths capability is about 40 years rusty :)

So when you go to that point(s) where they line up, they will always be constant reference point(s) (there are two, one facing toward Merope 5, and the other away) For my Time 0 I land on the facing away side as it is easier to line up, and with the axial plane pointing upper right to lower left, and the Merope 5 rings pointing from Upper left to lower right.

You know, just like the UP map does. :D

Edit: Addendum. I took measurements of Merope 5C on 13 Aug 2016 with more finely drawn reproduction of the map, and Merope 5C orbital planes do not match the diagram exactly. I suspect the map is not of Merope 5C, but is a map of the launch point from a different world. From my measurements the orbital plane to search for of the target world is really +/- 81.57 degrees (or +/- 98.43 degrees, depending on which way is up)

I like this as it fits with the "Corrupted Flight Plan" scenario: The middle panel is the departure details, and the right panel is the arrival details. If the UP is going to Merope 5c, then the contents of the right panel are Merope 5C, and possibly related to the singing the UP does. Perhaps the faint symbols on the right panel can correspond to the sound/sequences of the UP singing, so we can translate the middle panel to get a galactic location? The panels appear to have nine chars across.
 
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when you search on the internet people are able to make a audio file that let see Obama, cats, demons corporate logo's and this is what we did get.

This must mean we still have not the right audio track that will reveal the right image to help us further.

Those spectrogram appear more clear than they are because they are familiar patterns and shapes that you know, so your brain fills in the blanks. Because we do not yet know exactly what the spectrogram image in Elite is it appears more occluded than it actually is.

Either way, as was stated before, it is most likely not their lack of skill that has made it difficult to make out, but a deliberate effect to make the whole thing more mysterious and less deliberate :)
 
Those spectrogram appear more clear than they are because they are familiar patterns and shapes that you know, so your brain fills in the blanks. Because we do not yet know exactly what the spectrogram image in Elite is it appears more occluded than it actually is.

Either way, as was stated before, it is most likely not their lack of skill that has made it difficult to make out, but a deliberate effect to make the whole thing more mysterious and less deliberate :)

Yes - if it's hard, then it's deliberately hard.

A) For our enjoyment. Where's the sense of achievement in cracking something in a couple of days?
B) Because it's better for the game, and better for the growth of the commander pool - look at the attention it's been getting.

It's likely we've missed something, but equally it's very likely that MB and DBOBE et al have crafted something specifically pitched at our capabilities given that these threads are an open book into the groupmind.

And, yes, the groupmind could be more efficient, but it is what it is. Any single contributor could 'get it'.

I'm certain we've missed something, actually - e.g. where to find free floater UPs, which I'm sure can be reasoned - but as I keep saying, we'll get there.

The journey is often better than the destination, even if the destination is great. Something something something else pithy.
 
I know it's been mentioned before but, I saw a play in Edinburgh yesterday which featured the images from the Voyager golden record and the one showing the use of hyphens and vertical bars to denote binary just seems like such a MASSIVE clue towards the similar symbols in the corners of the spectrograph image that I don't think there can be any question that they denote numbers. Furthermore it seems like a huge hint that the aliens have scanned the voyager probe. Has anyone taken a UP out to voyager yet?

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Yes - if it's hard, then it's deliberately hard.

A) For our enjoyment. Where's the sense of achievement in cracking something in a couple of days?
B) Because it's better for the game, and better for the growth of the commander pool - look at the attention it's been getting.

It's likely we've missed something, but equally it's very likely that MB and DBOBE et al have crafted something specifically pitched at our capabilities given that these threads are an open book into the groupmind.

And, yes, the groupmind could be more efficient, but it is what it is. Any single contributor could 'get it'.

I'm certain we've missed something, actually - e.g. where to find free floater UPs, which I'm sure can be reasoned - but as I keep saying, we'll get there.

The journey is often better than the destination, even if the destination is great. Something something something else pithy.

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something else pithy, as requested
 
Has anyone taken a UP out to voyager yet?

Yes. Front page:

"The UP was Honked near the Voyager."

Edit: sorry if that sounded rude, not intended. FWIW I agree the voyager plaque really, really strongly suggests the marks in the spectrogram are numbers, even though the bottom ones look different (shorter horizontal bars). But not everyone agrees!
 
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I know it's been mentioned before but, I saw a play in Edinburgh yesterday which featured the images from the Voyager golden record and the one showing the use of hyphens and vertical bars to denote binary just seems like such a MASSIVE clue towards the similar symbols in the corners of the spectrograph image that I don't think there can be any question that they denote numbers. Furthermore it seems like a huge hint that the aliens have scanned the voyager probe. Has anyone taken a UP out to voyager yet?

http://i.imgur.com/C071sdf.jpg

I think most people agree that it's very likely a binary number system.

To me the drawing suggests that it's a 3-bit system, because leading zeroes are used.

This means that when Voyager writes 8, it's |---

I suspect the UP would write 8 as --| --- (octal 10).
 
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