Elite has no respect for people's time.

[jasonbarron]

The OP is making the classic mistake of defining what's "worth doing/achieving" in the game as easily achieving end game content, ie: earning & A rating a Corvette, reaching Beagle Point, earning Triple Elite Ranking, etc, etc. Basically, he's just saying that the goalposts should be much (by the power of 1000x) closer together so that when he spends 30 minutes playing in an evening, for instance, he's done something more "significant" than rebasing his Cobra a few systems over.

I suggest that this game just isn't for him. Especially when the only parts of the game where he admitted where he had fun was at pew pew sites, which is obviously very limiting. So the game doesn't cater to his tastes, no big deal.

For me, what I love about ED is the massive scale, both in terms of time & space. Without this sense of titanic, mind boggling scale, I would have lost interest in this game long ago. So it takes time to accomplish things in this universe; the whole point is that you enjoy the moment in ED and don't get caught up in this mentality of "It's going to take me "x" amount of time to get that Anaconda and I'm not going to enjoy any of it until I get my hand's on one, and only then will the game be fun!"

Engage in activities you enjoy, and forget about everything else. If that doesn't work, there's a whole lot of other games out there that will probably cater to your tastes a lot better than ED

 

[trollson]

First point:

There have been lots of threads decrying the need to find rare ingredients for a particular goal. Of course if this is your sole objective you are going to be frustrated and disappointed. Set more achievable goals, just keep an eye out for the exotics - let them come with time. Some goals cannot be scheduled.

Second point:

Elite does need more things for the players to get involved with - which should be personal rather than community grind.

I believe that the Powers-That-Be want to keep Elite gameplay fundamentally the same as in the 1984 classic - flying, fighting, trading, mining - really only adding exploring. While this is a noble purest approach, it is becoming apparent that this is at odds with supporting a deeper, (hopefully) dynamic game-universe.

It was observed on BBC Click this weekend, in reference to both Elite and NoMansSky, that while procedurally generation works fine for tangiable things, it hasn't been used successfully to provide a narrative - although I don't hold that it cannot do so... Narratives need to provide individual stories that players can explore, providing depth to the gameplay.

Of course in a massive shared universe all these individual stories must interact with the background and with each other. This suggests to me that they are more related to emergent behaviour than procedural generation. For this you need a miriad of simple rules, and actors who are affected by, and effect those rules.

Briefly...

Limited time - so this is where I was trying to get to...

The role of Space Pilot aka classic Elite is one mode-of-play, and interacts with the shared universe in particular ways.

There could exist other modes-of-play which interact with the shared universe in other ways. For example, someone is making decisions for factions and powers - these are NPCs (or FD), but its entirely feasible for players to do so.

There are many games which simulate different "levels" of game play - from individual character (RPGs), tactical and strategic wargames, city building (SimCity), to empire building (Civilisation). Something which I have been in discussion about in the past is - what happens if all these layers of gameplay share the same universe?

Damn, meetings, sorry if this is a bid disjointed...

 

[Guidebot]

Dat wizdom wot u laid down

Thanks for the post. A lotta wise words to think on there; your time is appreciated.

 

[Artemis Zodiac]

If your a backer you would realise it's just more than pretty pictures....I suggest you head over to cig and catch up on the latest news mate.

 

[Vonpritz]

These posts are so dumb.

just someone wanting attention. "I can play two hours a week but I want the same endgame content as someone who plays 10"

This equality of outcomes      is annoying.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

These posts are so dumb.

just someone wanting attention. "I can play two hours a week but I want the same endgame content as someone who plays 10"

This equality of outcomes is annoying.

This. I play ED very sporadically and don't expect to even touch Engineers content any time soon. I will try to boost FSD and some weaponry, but overall I just don't fly around so much to worry about it.

 

[Guidebot]

The OP is making the classic mistake of defining what's "worth doing/achieving" in the game as easily achieving end game content, ie: earning & A rating a Corvette, reaching Beagle Point, earning Triple Elite Ranking, etc, etc. Basically, he's just saying that the goalposts should be much (by the power of 1000x) closer together so that when he spends 30 minutes playing in an evening, for instance, he's done something more "significant" than rebasing his Cobra a few systems over.

I suggest that this game just isn't for him. Especially when the only parts of the game where he admitted where he had fun was at pew pew sites, which is obviously very limiting. So the game doesn't cater to his tastes, no big deal.

For me, what I love about ED is the massive scale, both in terms of time & space. Without this sense of titanic, mind boggling scale, I would have lost interest in this game long ago. So it takes time to accomplish things in this universe; the whole point is that you enjoy the moment in ED and don't get caught up in this mentality of "It's going to take me "x" amount of time to get that Anaconda and I'm not going to enjoy any of it until I get my hand's on one, and only then will the game be fun!"

Engage in activities you enjoy, and forget about everything else. If that doesn't work, there's a whole lot of other games out there that will probably cater to your tastes a lot better than ED

No. Please read my posts. You have projected, falsely, a suite of arguments and sentiments onto me that have no basis in reality. I absolutely do not want nor expect more ingame items, or ships, or credits, or goalposts moved. That is but one measure of productively spent time and one that registers low on my list of priorities. The sweet massive ship with all the gear is not the "endgame" for me, if anything it may just be a means to enjoying the game more. Personally I quite like smaller ships because of the handling and responsiveness.

If you do not concede this, based on reading my posts, then you are impervious to reality and I cannot reason with you.

I am talking about something more fundamental yet difficult to define; It's about the quality of life.

 

[Ian Skippy]

If your a backer you would realise it's just more than pretty pictures....I suggest you head over to cig and catch up on the latest news mate.

I played the latest version and its a marginal improvement over the bovine waste it has been for so many years. A big announcement for me would be CIG saying they had some confidence they could release a somewhat viable product this decade. Its probably going to be more stuff you can buy but not fly, vague promises about S42 and the declaration they will add everything we want.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

I played the latest version and its a marginal improvement over the bovine waste it has been for so many years. A big announcement for me would be CIG saying they had some confidence they could release a somewhat viable product this decade. Its probably going to be more stuff you can buy but not fly, vague promises about S42 and the declaration they will add everything we want.

I think they will announce SQ42 release date.

 

[Guidebot]

These posts are so dumb.

just someone wanting attention. "I can play two hours a week but I want the same endgame content as someone who plays 10"

This equality of outcomes is annoying.

Do you mean my posts? Where did I say I can play for two hours a week and expect the same endgame content?

For the love of Elite, this is not about endgame stuff or reaching it, and I have an almost unlimited gaming time-budget. Please read my posts.

 

[Artemis Zodiac]

Well see what gamescom brings then eh sleuty

 

[Red Anders]

basiccly if one doesn't have a job or no responsiblitys or a life...

I would really like to see people get infractions every time they post something as insulting as this. It's incredibly demeaning to those of us who have all of those things and yet manage to make a little time to have some fun. Being portrayed as some no-life saddo by people who imagine being an adult with a job makes them special and unique in some way is getting very tiresome now. That goes double when they're also incapable of spelling words like 'basically' and 'responsibilities'.

 

[AJRimmsey]

The OP is making the classic mistake

Especially when the only parts of the game where he admitted where he had fun was at pew pew sites, which is obviously very limiting.

For me, what I love about ED is the massive scale,

so his style is a mistake
he likes pew pew is very limiting

you like to fly around looking at the same thing going oohhh aaaahhh ooooh aaaaaah

maybe his style is his style and he might not think ooh aah is a good style

 

[Ian Skippy]

Do you mean my posts? Where did I say I can play for two hours a week and expect the same endgame content?

For the love of Elite, this is not about endgame stuff or reaching it, and I have an almost unlimited gaming time-budget. Please read my posts.

But here's the thing: if you say playing ED is not productive enough because there is too much 'time wasting' going on between what you enjoy, how can you claim just laying in bed is productive? And what is the point of the this topic, to put it simply? I am getting more confused by every post. Could you give a simple, two-line statement that provides the gist of what message you're trying to get across?

 

[Deleted member 115407]

The OP is making the classic mistake of defining what's "worth doing/achieving" in the game as easily achieving end game content...

I suggest that this game just isn't for him. Especially when the only parts of the game where he admitted where he had fun was at pew pew sites, which is obviously very limiting. So the game doesn't cater to his tastes, no big deal.

...there's a whole lot of other games out there that will probably cater to your tastes a lot better than ED

Concur. There's no reason to be upset with the OP. He just isn't finding what he needs in this particular game.

*edit* Apparently the OP doesn't agree though, which has me confused now.

EDIT: This isn't relevant really but I think it will help people understand. I was raised a scientist. I give no credence to notions I divine and find to hold no value. This has led me to adopt an idiosyncratic, yet robust, approach to life, though I often find I am at odds with the conventions and beliefs of others. Satan and his pillow mean nothing to me, but a good time is a good time - empirically this is all that matters.

So... in other words you're lazy and you like to play video games?

OP, I feel for you. I can't tell you the amount of times I've sunk into playing/modding video games, hoping that they'll get better, or trying to make them better. Usually, I just quit after I realize they aren't delivering the experience I want. Probably best if you put this down for a while and go find something else to do. You might even find the time away refreshing... absence makes the heart grow fonder.

*edit*

Also, after reading some of your other replies, I feel for you a little less. Stop trying to sound so "smart", and just admit that you've obsessed and overplayed the game to the point of boredom.

 

[Artemis Zodiac]

Infractions and myself go hand in hand.....it's true though red.....if I didn't have work commitments and kids I'd be canning ED all day too.....also I'm gonna pretend English isn't my first language....yeah that old chestnut.

 

[AJRimmsey]

So... in other words

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never a good thing to say on a forum,its usually followed by things only a psychic link can produce,and as theres no psychic link it will just be assumptions from whats going on in your head

a few examples of this are >

so what you are saying is
i think what you mean is
what hes saying is
you insinuate
you hint at
what you mean is

none of which are ever followed by what the poster actually meant,and are just to further the replies you make that dont actually mirror the posters remarks

 

[Ian Skippy]

Well see what gamescom brings then eh sleuty

Eh, no. I am really tired of all the previous broken promises at cons by CIG. Remember that whole Star Marine presentation? That supposedly live viewing of gameplay we'd get in just a few weeks? That was cancelled nine months later with no further ETA given? And the horrible FPS they now have in the PU? The FPS that would even make an indie-dev ashamed if he had released it 15 years ago? Thats even running on CryEngine, for crying out loud. I honestly dont give a flying focaccia about anything they say at conventions, as pretty much everything they promised earlier turned out to be very, very cynical lies. I'll see what they bring to my harddrive. And as long as that remains utter garbage they can peddle their dreams to someone else.

 

[Guidebot]

Concur. There's no reason to be upset with the OP. He just isn't finding what he needs in this particular game.



So... in other words you're lazy and you like to play video games?

OP, I feel for you. I can't tell you the amount of times I've sunk into playing/modding video games, hoping that they'll get better, or trying to make them better. Usually, I just quit after I realize they aren't delivering the experience I want. Probably best if you put this down for a while and go find something else to do. You might even find the time away refreshing... absence makes the heart grow fonder.

This. Is. not. about. end. game. content. Please read my posts. This is what other people are saying I'm after. This is not how I measure enjoyment and it tarnishes the good points you go on to make, that it appears you have not read or have woefully misapprehended my writing.

Second. You know nothing of my life. Yes, I play videogames, but I am not lazy. Be careful of your prejudice. If I have learned to appreciate lying in bed, do you not think that might be because I seldom get to do so? I am honest and frank in my posts but it does not behoove you to be flippant with your judgement.

Your final paragraph bears obvious truth and heartfelt experience and I thank you for it.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

This. Is. not. about. end. game. content. Please read my posts. This is what other people are saying I'm after. This is not how I measure enjoyment and it tarnishes the good points you go on to make, that it appears you have not read or have woefully misapprehended my writing.

Second. You know nothing of my life. Yes, I play videogames, but I am not lazy. Be careful of your prejudice. If I have learned to appreciate lying in bed, do you not think that might be because I seldom get to do so? I am honest and frank in my posts but it does not behoove you to be flippant with your judgement.

Your final paragraph bears obvious truth and heartfelt experience and I thank you for it.

When did I mention endgame content?

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never a good thing to say on a forum,its usually followed by things only a psychic link can produce,and as theres no psychic link it will just be assumptions from whats going on in your head

Or words delivered by the OP himself