It would be the logical conclusion if their purposes were identical, and even then, we would need to find said shell to be certain.
UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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It would be the logical conclusion if their purposes were identical, and even then, we would need to find said shell to be certain.
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Ok thanks.....so since they don't point to anything specific on the planets surface ,I could assume one of two things...
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1,There's something on the planet these guys have not found yet....or
2,you guys have not put it on the planet yet hence they " just point at the planet"
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(care to pick a number MB =P )
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We know the pattern of UPs will be logical, but there's nothing else suggested to be a center. UAs point to their shell center, merope. Logically that means UPs would do the same and be centered on merope, but they aren't. Lots of people come to merope and maia and no one is finding free floaters. Also, the chances the UP and UA share the exact same function is low. Each one is doing specific things, remember that the UAs started around merope and spread outward then stopped. Once they stopped the UPs appeared, and those free floaters are most likely in a condensed area with a geometric base of merope. Doesn't mean its a shell though.
The immediate "Logical" places to look are in vicinity of:
- Pleiades (because that's the center of everything)
- Witch Head and California Nebula (because barancles are located there)
- Barnard's Loop (because it's similarity to the barnacle logo, and the sudden locking-off of most of it's surrounds.
Secondary "logical" places are:
- In vicinity of Jaques, because that's where the UAs (probably) dumped him out
- Dare I say, Heart and Soul nebula, because something something Rift.
That's the immediate, one-and-two-degree of separation places to search. Whether that search is in 10, 50, 150+LY radius is anyone's guess.
It's not necessarily a bad assumption, MB did indicate that free-floaters would give us different information. Perhaps the free-floating UPs will point elsewhere or perhaps not. Of course all these assumptions are pointless without the free-floaters
Also, and maybe I'm being a bit picky with this, wouldn't Merope 5c be better described as a moon of Merope 5? I totally agree though that the UP points at 5c.
I do not understand why we have found Unknown Artifacts ( albeit in a 'shell' around Merope ) and they seem easy to come by, even found on planets around a certain wreck, but we have not found one single Unknown Probe anywhere. Yet the military seemed to have had them in plentiful supply.
We know that the Unknown Artifact is corrosive and when destroyed leaves simple Unknown Fragments behind. The Unknown probe is also corrosive so that adds grounds that both are from the same race. This also makes me think that perhapse the military are 'growing' these probes from the Unknown Artifact.
The UA pointed to Merope. Once discovered the military explore all the moons and find the Barnacles for the first time. The Barnacles produce the meta alloys, the all healing wonder material that repairs damage done by the UA's. Engineers developed cargo racks that can contain the UA's without fear of damage, probably by utilising meta alloys.
But this still doesnt point to where the UP's came from so once again I theorize that they were not found but grown. Probably the next generation UA.
It is odd that cargo racks can only carry TWO items. Perhapse by putting a UA in with another commodity would start the process. I expect meta alloys and such has been done. Unknown fragments are a material so they don's really go into the cargo hold as such but I wouldn't count that out. If there is any other commodity or item out there such as AI relics then they might be a catalyst. Definately something rare and / or illegal.
As Mr B mentioned, there is an easier way of obtaining Unknown Probes than by finding the military ( possibly tampered ) ones carried by military fleets. Yes, the diagram seen from the sound of the UP may be a map on finding more but once you have one, why would you want another? Voyager 1's disc didn't have a map leading to Voyager 2. That would be a bit daft. Plus, searching the galaxy is a large task. It's a big place.
Anyhoo, yet another mad idea from a Commander stuck away from his ship until the weekend. Fly safe Commander's and think hard.
We know that the Unknown Artifact is corrosive and when destroyed leaves simple Unknown Fragments behind. The Unknown probe is also corrosive so that adds grounds that both are from the same race. This also makes me think that perhapse the military are 'growing' these probes from the Unknown Artifact.
The UA pointed to Merope. Once discovered the military explore all the moons and find the Barnacles for the first time. The Barnacles produce the meta alloys, the all healing wonder material that repairs damage done by the UA's. Engineers developed cargo racks that can contain the UA's without fear of damage, probably by utilising meta alloys.
But this still doesnt point to where the UP's came from so once again I theorize that they were not found but grown. Probably the next generation UA.
It is odd that cargo racks can only carry TWO items. Perhapse by putting a UA in with another commodity would start the process. I expect meta alloys and such has been done. Unknown fragments are a material so they don's really go into the cargo hold as such but I wouldn't count that out. If there is any other commodity or item out there such as AI relics then they might be a catalyst. Definately something rare and / or illegal.
As Mr B mentioned, there is an easier way of obtaining Unknown Probes than by finding the military ( possibly tampered ) ones carried by military fleets. Yes, the diagram seen from the sound of the UP may be a map on finding more but once you have one, why would you want another? Voyager 1's disc didn't have a map leading to Voyager 2. That would be a bit daft. Plus, searching the galaxy is a large task. It's a big place.
Anyhoo, yet another mad idea from a Commander stuck away from his ship until the weekend. Fly safe Commander's and think hard.
Given that probes appear to have more pointing precision than UAs (pointing to a planet rather than the star), this may suggest that they are designed for shorter range communications.
For artifacts, transmitting over 140 LY distance, the main system star is a logical reference point to orient towards. A much smaller and more specific (and difficicult) reference point (5c) suggests that probes are designed for a much shorter transmission range. Possibly even in-system (obviously they would have to be a really, really long way out to have escaped detection).
So I would look at systems within the shell, starting with those closest to Merope.
Yeah I know, thin.
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Unfortunately, this idea relies on the assumption that the image contains data about both the UA shell and the place where the UP are. You may be right, but even if you are we are still stuck behind the fact that the image is inherently ambiguous. We do not know what the four corner symbols represent. We do not know what the top left arc is for. We do not know if the top right double arc is part of the circle or part of the corner symbol. We do not know why the lines on the bottom half. And so on. For all we know, the image could be an example of alien art; it could be to them what Van Gogh's Starry Night is to us. They are showing us this to say "look at this incredible art that our wonderful civilization has produced, are we not magnificent?" And we're standing around it, scratching our collective heads, wondering what flavour it is and debating which colour of lazorr to shoot it with next.
We could come up with countless different interpretations of the image features, but I suspect that without knowing the answer in advance we're not likely to be able to make any meaningful progress.
Oh, don't get me wrong - I'm not saying we shouldn't try, but this approach will require some luck. Fortunately luck sometimes happens.
Personally I believe that we're more likely to have success with the kind of approach that my own "Unknown Signposts" hypothesis uses, but that's not exactly going to be easy either.
with regards to finding something on merope 5c - i have spent weeks now driving and 50-150m flying round merope 5c and have not found anything, not even the known barnacle site.
i have not sought it out i just wondered if knowing its there i would find it by accident, i have no idea how far i have travelled on the surface but it makes me think even with an organised effort it will be hard to find randomly.
i have not sought it out i just wondered if knowing its there i would find it by accident, i have no idea how far i have travelled on the surface but it makes me think even with an organised effort it will be hard to find randomly.
Merope 5 is a star
Oooh. I love puzzles!
I think it's 5. Is it 5? I struggle with numbers bigger than 5 (or zero, if one of my hands is busy). I'm sure it's 5.
Besides, have you tried looking behind Merope?
Thermal shield boosts, and we go into Merope?
And can someone tell me, why UA is so... blurred?
I'd also possibly add the Coalsack Region to that list purely on the basis that Felicity Farseer talks about it a lot when she was exploring and we know she wanted Meta Alloys for study.
Fair call
I wasn't aware of that.
Or Merope 5C can be some kind of transmitter relay providing a link between UP & UA. Maybe there is nothing to find on it.
UP being an emitter and UA the receiver.
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The one I posted yesterday.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nonn/page445?p=4330356&viewfull=1#post4330356
Or they just point to the planet and will forever more.
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Yeah that's pretty cool, thanks
The way I currently see it is that the shell and the UA's around Merope are acting as a perimeter defence. When it's broken by passing ships the information is gathered and sent back to a central nexus which I assume is Merope 5C and is possibly cloaked or dimensionally shifted (may explain the strange ghosting we get when we scan the probes) . The probes are a response to this and sent out BEYOND the shell to see how far we have encroached and the message that we receive is us picking up an alert call saying 'This is where the big bad human types are coming from'.
I hypothesise that the reason that all the message images that we have managed to get from UP's in convoys so far are the same is that THOSE probes were found in the same area by the ships carrying them. Free floaters may give us a different message entirely dependent on where we are in relation to Merope 5C. Still no bloody clue where they could be but I reckon outside the shell.
I hypothesise that the reason that all the message images that we have managed to get from UP's in convoys so far are the same is that THOSE probes were found in the same area by the ships carrying them. Free floaters may give us a different message entirely dependent on where we are in relation to Merope 5C. Still no bloody clue where they could be but I reckon outside the shell.
But what is MB is throwing us off?
Have we tested UP in orbit, UP in a crater, UP in a toaster, UP in a small formation similar to the intricate workings of a synchronised swimming team who have had years of practise but lack the raw talent to really make it in a cut throat industry, have we tested smashing a UA into a UP specifically on a tuesday around lunch time, have we thrown a UP at an old person and recorded their response?
All valid tests......
That may have been sarcastic [big grin]
However my actual theory is the probes are looking for something that is lost (I personally believe a crashed ship) and their goal is to return said item to Merope 5C for some unknown reason. Therefore when we find a free floating UP it will be around the planet of said crashed ship and will take something back to 5C. According to my own theory which isn't backed by a ton of fact.
Unfortunately my thoughts and tin foil run out when asking the question which planet? for me I think we need to understand why Merope and why 5C. Could it be that they are:
A. The closest planet/star of a certain type to whatever is being searched for in which case we should be searching systems very close to Merope
B. A significant planet for whatever they are's in which case the the lost thing could be anywhere.
Perhaps the UAs are a sign post for the UPs back to Merope when in Merope the UP knows where to go. This would mean that the free floaters are somewhere outside the UA shell.
This is all a wild hypothesis and the testable theroy of "check every system outside the UA shell" doesn't really help anyone.
So then I have to question if it is a crashed ship where would it be? surely it would've around the bubble investigating us when something went wrong and it crash landed (unknown diamondback anyone?).
Therefore I think we may need to search the orbits of the planets in Maia (not surfaces as per MBs comment that the UA / UP mystery is so far space based).
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