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Yeah the shell (bubble works too but I get why it's confusing, lol)
Glad it's not just me then. It has made it a real pain in the butt to contact Palin for his CRCR
Couple hours searching and not a single fragment to show for it yet.
try Hip 15904
UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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try Hip 15904
try Hip 15904
Will do, thank you.
A few collected thoughts on the purpose of UAs and UPs, that might help us find free-floating UPs, or at least understand what they are trying to tell us.
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TL;DR : The UAs' purpose may be to get the attention of anyone approaching or passing close to the Pleiades. The UPs' purpose may therefore be to direct that attention: which implies that they are intended to be easily found - and used. If there are specific systems the UPs are to be used to investigate, then perhaps they could be found either near the primary star in those systems or close to the planets we are to investigate further.
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The reasoning is a bit of a text wall, so my apologies:
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TL;DR : The UAs' purpose may be to get the attention of anyone approaching or passing close to the Pleiades. The UPs' purpose may therefore be to direct that attention: which implies that they are intended to be easily found - and used. If there are specific systems the UPs are to be used to investigate, then perhaps they could be found either near the primary star in those systems or close to the planets we are to investigate further.
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The reasoning is a bit of a text wall, so my apologies:
Originally, the UAs were very rare. They were able to transmit, in Morse, our own names for the nearest celestial body. We do not know exactly where they came from at this stage but we do know that they found something: us.
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A few months after we first encountered UAs, they suddenly appeared in vast numbers in a shell centred on Merope and pointing towards it. Their behaviour towards ships they encountered also changed: they scanned approaching ships and transmitted an image of each ship back to it in Morse. This seems to be saying 'hello, we can see you and we know one of your languages' and could be interpreted as a standard greeting intended to get our attention.
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At this stage, it is also worth noting that English Morse is one of the more internationally-recognised languages. Despite being ancient in the 34th Century, it is something that would not be expected to exclude a large proportion of the human population from understanding it. It is an astute choice of language, that implies that whoever made the UAs knows humans very well. I'm not going to assume that the manufacturers are human (a rogue AI might also be a possibility) but that is something to consider.
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The UAs succeeded in getting our attention! So what does whoever made them want, now that they have it?
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If the makers of the UAs merely wanted us to drop by for tea and biscuits, or rescue them from a failing outpost, they could have modified the UAs to transmit a location for us to investigate, even if only a system name (the UAs were able to transmit system names even in systems with no nav beacon telling them what it was called, iirc?). Instead, they made UPs.
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The UPs do not appear to be widely deployed like the UAs but may still be easily encountered if we look in the right place. The convoys that have captured them appear to be using corrosion-resistant cargo racks but these are a recent invention - perhaps the makers of the UPs became aware that the UAs were damaging to our ships and stations and, although they could not change their technology to make it less damaging, they compromised by placing the UPs close to where they needed to be used. The UPs still need to be found to be used, however, and the easiest way to draw attention to them would be to have them close to the primary star, as well as near those planets that our attention is being directed to. The fact that the UPs send us a much more sophisticated signal when scanned, also without using language-specific information, suggests to me it is intended to be both found and used - it does something when 'commanded'.
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It is also possible that the UPs were made to find and/or monitor specific locations but the fact that they send a specific message when scanned - important enough to shut our ships down to make sure we can hear it - suggests to me that the possibility they would be found has been incorporated into their mission. Indeed, they may be expected to be found.
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Which locations would be worth drawing our attention to? This is all happening near the Pleiades alone. We do not know if the UAs/UPs are being made there or have been sent there from a much more distant location but there are no UAs that we know of near other nebulae, even those hosting Barnacles, so I do not think they are there to highlight Barnacles themselves. What would anyone send a probe to find in or near the Pleiades? What would anyone send us to find? There are outdoor worlds, both Earth-like and Ammonia-based, but unless any host a sentient race these hardly need drawing attention to. The same goes for other life-bearing worlds or worlds suitable for terraforming (for any species). There are resources to be found (e.g. metallic rings, worlds with specific very rare elements such as Polonium) but, whilst useful, these are not of strategic importance. I feel that there's something else out there, something we might not find without the UPs' help. Has another race been setting up bases in the area and what would those worlds have in common if they have?
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A few months after we first encountered UAs, they suddenly appeared in vast numbers in a shell centred on Merope and pointing towards it. Their behaviour towards ships they encountered also changed: they scanned approaching ships and transmitted an image of each ship back to it in Morse. This seems to be saying 'hello, we can see you and we know one of your languages' and could be interpreted as a standard greeting intended to get our attention.
.
At this stage, it is also worth noting that English Morse is one of the more internationally-recognised languages. Despite being ancient in the 34th Century, it is something that would not be expected to exclude a large proportion of the human population from understanding it. It is an astute choice of language, that implies that whoever made the UAs knows humans very well. I'm not going to assume that the manufacturers are human (a rogue AI might also be a possibility) but that is something to consider.
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The UAs succeeded in getting our attention! So what does whoever made them want, now that they have it?
.
If the makers of the UAs merely wanted us to drop by for tea and biscuits, or rescue them from a failing outpost, they could have modified the UAs to transmit a location for us to investigate, even if only a system name (the UAs were able to transmit system names even in systems with no nav beacon telling them what it was called, iirc?). Instead, they made UPs.
.
The UPs do not appear to be widely deployed like the UAs but may still be easily encountered if we look in the right place. The convoys that have captured them appear to be using corrosion-resistant cargo racks but these are a recent invention - perhaps the makers of the UPs became aware that the UAs were damaging to our ships and stations and, although they could not change their technology to make it less damaging, they compromised by placing the UPs close to where they needed to be used. The UPs still need to be found to be used, however, and the easiest way to draw attention to them would be to have them close to the primary star, as well as near those planets that our attention is being directed to. The fact that the UPs send us a much more sophisticated signal when scanned, also without using language-specific information, suggests to me it is intended to be both found and used - it does something when 'commanded'.
.
It is also possible that the UPs were made to find and/or monitor specific locations but the fact that they send a specific message when scanned - important enough to shut our ships down to make sure we can hear it - suggests to me that the possibility they would be found has been incorporated into their mission. Indeed, they may be expected to be found.
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Which locations would be worth drawing our attention to? This is all happening near the Pleiades alone. We do not know if the UAs/UPs are being made there or have been sent there from a much more distant location but there are no UAs that we know of near other nebulae, even those hosting Barnacles, so I do not think they are there to highlight Barnacles themselves. What would anyone send a probe to find in or near the Pleiades? What would anyone send us to find? There are outdoor worlds, both Earth-like and Ammonia-based, but unless any host a sentient race these hardly need drawing attention to. The same goes for other life-bearing worlds or worlds suitable for terraforming (for any species). There are resources to be found (e.g. metallic rings, worlds with specific very rare elements such as Polonium) but, whilst useful, these are not of strategic importance. I feel that there's something else out there, something we might not find without the UPs' help. Has another race been setting up bases in the area and what would those worlds have in common if they have?
I've had success in Aries Dark Region XK-N b7-2 every time I've visited. I just start to cruise away from the star at 75% throttle, and they appear. I've also encountered them around planets in this system, too. Good luck!
Thanks. I'll add it to my list of systems to check.
Yeah the shell (bubble works too but I get why it's confusing, lol)
Glad it's not just me then. It has made it a real pain in the butt to contact Palin for his CRCR
Couple hours searching and not a single fragment to show for it yet.
Hold on, you don't need the fragments to buy the cargo racks! only if you want to upgrade mods. If you can land there you can buy the cargo racks from the outfitting section.
try Hip 15904
Or Ceti Sector RD-T B3-2. First planet. Co-Ordinates -3.924 x 121.4630. Land there and you will find a lot of UA's. It's really spooky there too and expect to defend yourself. Rare but you thins can get dicey.
I had no idea you could find them on planets.
Does sector has some dimensions, or, what is sector?
Hi again
some meanings of the PROBE:
1- a device that is put inside something to test or record information
2- an exploratory action or expedition, especially one designed to investigate and obtain
information on a remote or unknown region
UPs flight plan/instructions:
1. (--|) units = UA shell radius = 135-150 Ly
2. (-|-) calculate 1/4 of circumference = 212-236 Ly
3. (-||) distance - 212-236 x 2 = 424-472 Ly
4. (|--) fly in to the main direction 212-236 x 2 = 424-472 Ly, take position in to the shell 30°wide for PROBING
Main direction? Possible SOL, bubble - creators of UAs, UPs are intrested in us
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Thats the one I mentioned, however having just revisited it, I didn't see anything there. Even more worrying was the terrain didn't look as I remember it. It could be that FDev have fixed the co-ords system and thats is whats confusing me... Or I'm an idiot... either works... lol
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Once you get Marco to the right level, you get in the invite so if all you need are racks you can land and buy them. The fragments are only needed to unlock the engineer part of the base. [Must say I didn't even consider that]
Hello,
I must say that i must give up on my research based on the axis of Merope 5 C.
The problem is that Merope 5 C Axis change all the time.
As a picture is more easy to understand than long explanation, here it is:
(yeah thanks i know i know, i'm an Artist!)
The problem is that the North(South) pole on the X AND Y axis change and change and change again....
I don't have logical explanation, especially that the meridian (longitude) ~117° is always facing Merope 5 (of course, as it take 6.6 Days for the revolution and rotation)
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The problem of having not fixed axis, is that you can't get Latitude and Longitude to start from for a Direction based on axis of the planet.
I must say that i must give up on my research based on the axis of Merope 5 C.
The problem is that Merope 5 C Axis change all the time.
As a picture is more easy to understand than long explanation, here it is:
(yeah thanks i know i know, i'm an Artist!)
The problem is that the North(South) pole on the X AND Y axis change and change and change again....
I don't have logical explanation, especially that the meridian (longitude) ~117° is always facing Merope 5 (of course, as it take 6.6 Days for the revolution and rotation)
EDIT:
The problem of having not fixed axis, is that you can't get Latitude and Longitude to start from for a Direction based on axis of the planet.
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Negative Ghostrider.
The comment from MB about "the next step being there" was made two days before RIZ@L scanned the UP and got a reply. So, without MB coming in again and saying that "the next step is there", we can't know if he was talking about the UP Reply, or something else.
So, confirmation for the current next step is pending.
Hi,
This is normal and is called Libration. It is something happening to our moon, allowing to see ~60% of its surface over time.
There is a Libration in longitude due to the satelite's orbital excentricity and a Libration in latitude due to the inclination between the axis of rotation and the normal of the plane of rotation.
You might want to look into selenographic coordinates, it's might be helpfull.
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