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PvPers/PvEers - Find a friend from the other side!
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wait... this comment is even more nonsense than your profile pic and your name
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Things are simplier when you don't take sides. I just arrived at the War zone today, fought some NPCs , then a CMDR attacked me while doing so... another CMDR droped in and get on the same side that I.. we fought against the red guy. Wom him, and keep doing our NPC killing ... thats a good mix of PvE and PvP for me...
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I am both.
Guess what? I get called names by either side. The nicest term is "half hearted".
How about seeing the game as what it is? A vast collection of possibilities.
PvP: Attacking a PvE equipped ship is fun. For you. Only for you. It doesn't help a bit.
PvE: Trying PvP in a PvE ship or without any experience is fun. For the one who blows you up. Only for him. It doesn't help a bit.
How about a nice greeting, some talks in open and maybe some activity in an impromptu wing instead of creating factions (PvP vs. PvE)?
Guess what? I get called names by either side. The nicest term is "half hearted".
How about seeing the game as what it is? A vast collection of possibilities.
PvP: Attacking a PvE equipped ship is fun. For you. Only for you. It doesn't help a bit.
PvE: Trying PvP in a PvE ship or without any experience is fun. For the one who blows you up. Only for him. It doesn't help a bit.
How about a nice greeting, some talks in open and maybe some activity in an impromptu wing instead of creating factions (PvP vs. PvE)?
Goose4291
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I'll take you up on this challenge. But I demand a photo of you pulling said face
Goose4291
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Many thanks, although I do suspect that is not you
Nice clear cut example:
You're are pledged to Hudson, and I am pledged to Arissa in Powerplay.
You're trying to fortify a system which we (Arissa supporters) are trying to undermine and are pew-pewing the NPCs we need to so we can do that.
You jump in unescorted in a type 9 with 500t of fortification tokens.
We're both involved in indirect pvp at this point (trying to get one of our powers above the other)
I kill you outright to deny you the chance to hand your tokens in, as doing this stops you trying to fortify the system.
I'm not being sarcastic when I say this, but is that clear cut enough for you? If you want further amplification, please ask.
As an addendum please note, I have been the T-9 pilot in this scenario more than once
Nice clear cut example:
You're are pledged to Hudson, and I am pledged to Arissa in Powerplay.
You're trying to fortify a system which we (Arissa supporters) are trying to undermine and are pew-pewing the NPCs we need to so we can do that.
You jump in unescorted in a type 9 with 500t of fortification tokens.
We're both involved in indirect pvp at this point (trying to get one of our powers above the other)
I kill you outright to deny you the chance to hand your tokens in, as doing this stops you trying to fortify the system.
I'm not being sarcastic when I say this, but is that clear cut enough for you? If you want further amplification, please ask.
As an addendum please note, I have been the T-9 pilot in this scenario more than once
A decent reason? Because someone enjoys a thing is reason enough to do almost anything. But, carnal pleasure, noob defence and training, pretty colours, piracy, player group conflict, experimentation, e- waving, e- destroying, and talking to people with similar interests is something a lot of humans enjoy.
EDIT: I meant *e-doodle
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Have you ever found yourself on the forums, at loggerheads with a rabid PvPer/PvEer, spending precious time arguing about your relative chosen playstyles? Have you ever accused PvPers of being griefers or PvEers being carebears?
Its often simply due to one side not really understanding another. Perhaps not being capable of understanding each other.
Well, before i continue, i'll share a little experience. Recently, i've become communicatively involved with a hardcore PvPer. I must admit, i was filled with tripidation at first. Would he treat me roughly? Would he try and dominate me? But after our first tentative communications, i was surprised to discover that they were actually a relatively normal person. No hint of baby eating or anything like that.
I'd like to introduce the community to my new chat buddy, CMDR Rinzler (the o7o7o7 may or may not be optional... i've not reached that level of familiarity yet). Yes, this is CMDR Rinzler from SDC, that rather well known and controvertial player group.
Now, i'm sure this will shock many. I've been rather coy about coming out as you might imagine. A hardened PvPer speaking normally with a hardened PvEer? No flames! No disrespect! Just listening to each others opinions and nicely discussing them.
And it got me thinking. What if every PvPer and PvEer who is capable of being reasonable, could make a friend from the other side? I certainly don't expect anyone to be converted from being a PvPer to a PvEer or vice versa. But having a friend on the other side, might help bring the two sides together, and make some of the stronger PvP/PvE discussions more moderate and friendly. You might start to write something scathing, and then think "Hey, my friend might not like this, maybe i should write something a bit more considerate?"
So, here we go, the first ever (and possibly last!), PvP to PvE matchmaking thread!
Find your PvP/PvE soulmate. A troubled and misunderstood player, just looking for love and symapthy.
There are no obligations. No lube is required. Just find a player from the other side, and arrange to be forum and in-game friends. Not even an obligation to meet up in-game or real life. Just talk to your new friend via whatever channel you prefer, one on one. Of course, no reason a PvPer or PvEer cannot have several friends, the more the merrier! And best of all, its legal!
Just make a post here, stating your orientation (PvP/PvE) and that you are looking for a friend from the other side, and see who bites!
Note 1: This thread might attract a bit on innuendo. However, keep in mind, this is a family friendly forum, so keep it to a reasonable level so posts don't get removed.
Note 2: Please, do not try and turn this thread into an open vs solo debate or a PvP/PvE debate. It is solely for those willing to open comms with differently minded people. There are other threads to debate such things.
Just remember a few things :
- that guy knew who he was dealing with
- they're quite good at PR and Propaganda, that's often what keeps them afloat
- keep in mind what these guys have done in the past and what they do every day. Their actions speak louder than words and no propaganda or smoothtalk will ever restore their rock-bottom reputation
And you gave them exactly that they're always after :
- visibility
- PR
- smoothtalk, based on the false impression you were handed
... hook, line, sinker.
So, with all due respect - you're making a tool out of yourself for these guys if you believe even for a split second those were "no disrespect, normal, nice people".
They've proven over and over again that they are the polar opposite. All their actions clearly demonstrated that. No PR or smoothtalk or "showcasing/acting" will change anything about that simple truth.
Repeated Mobius Infiltrations : check
Repeated EULA/License violations : check
Sniping a Cancer charity steam : check
PR attempts to cover their true nature : check
Any signs of them having even the slightest intention to change their behaviour : fail
Empathy or "understanding each other" is a 100% alien concept to these guys. More alien than anything we could ever encounter in this entire Project, no matter what Frontier could ever unleash upon us.
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Goose4291
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I'd rather call it "putting things back on the right track". Your mileage may vary, though.
Just regarding Agony Aunt's initial post, I hardly ever look at reddit but somewhere on there is an excellent beginner's guide to exploration written by none other than Rinzler. I don't imagine that many people who play the game are quite as one-dimensional as we may sometimes think.
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It's pretty cool how you worked out the OP's conversation with Rinzler was an act. I've been friends with Rinzler for a year, can you tell me if all those conversations were an act?
I love your armchair psychology, and how you can diagnose personality disorders through in-game behaviour, which you read about third-hand on the forums. I'd love to know what you think 'not normal' is. Even a definition of 'normal' has been problematic for lots of people, but you seem to have it nailed.
It's also effective of you to point out how they always want PR and visibility, they've been working at it very hard since 90% of them quit when 2.1 dropped.
I'm genuinely surprised that someone could draw so many conclusions about someone from so little information, especially when it's filtered through forums and game mechanics and blah blah. It's weird. In all seriousness, you should really get to know people before you make such absurd judgments. 'No empathy'... If they didn't have empathy they wouldn't be able to take pleasure in the wails of their victims. That's what the word means, to understand and feel the emotions of another.
EDIT: I just realised something, SDC are actually more empathetic than you, since they can understand your perspective, but you cannot understand theirs. I think maybe you meant they had no sympathy, rather than empathy, but those are different things. You are just as unsympathetic as SDC, you just do it to different people.
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I don't think that the community, who remembers past transgressions, are at the point where all sins can be forgiven. Not currently.
I also wouldn't feel comfortable knowing that friending a member from that group in game would basically allow them to troll me, because they would always know where I am.
I don't think this could work and if they aren't in the same mode then there's nothing that can be learnt.
Unless some one has a plan on how it could work?
I also wouldn't feel comfortable knowing that friending a member from that group in game would basically allow them to troll me, because they would always know where I am.
I don't think this could work and if they aren't in the same mode then there's nothing that can be learnt.
Unless some one has a plan on how it could work?
There are friendly, cool PvP players out there. They just don't make that much noise.
I meet CMDRs from Iridium Wing (? - those explorer protectors) in-game. Very professional at protecting explorers from danger (sadly they thought I might be that danger, but they where cool enough not to attack me. A very good encounter in this game).
There are other PvP players out there that don't mindlessly attack others just for the salt. I have very high respect for those 3 CMDRs who provided protection for my Orca on the Hutton Convoy event (gladly very uneventful, but probably very boring for them).
o7 to all those out there who have fun in PvP while understanding that not everybody constantly wants PvP.
Goose4291
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I disagree purely because im taking get this at face value.
I want the community to get back to the point where it accepts people have different viewpoints
I don't want to see players being hounded throughout the Internet because they either want or don't want to to shoot other players.
I was thinking us to get back to the point where we accept sometimes the game can be hard, and try to improve our game that mounting a handwringing campaign to make things easy again.
As a whole, I just want to get to the point where players and player groups are treated fairly without dispensation being issued to one group or one specific playstyle.
But then I'm clearly an idealist, or a liar making this up to further an agenda.
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Pretty much every PvPer I've met has been chill and willing to help out, willing to chat after a fight. A lot of the more disliked PvPers by the crowds here have given advice all over Reddit and YouTube. The PvP community is kind of small but very friendly. That's been my experience, at least.
This thread actually clearly defines the issue group imo. But it may just be having no idea how to conversate/argue logically...
It's not as if 'winning' the argument would convince anyone to play differently, it's all bit silly.
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It's not as if 'winning' the argument would convince anyone to play differently, it's all bit silly.
LOL, I know, but often superbly entertaining.
I've been a hardcore PvPer for quite awhile. Generally it is always the playstyle I aspire to in large open multiplayer games like MMOs and things that are similar. All PvPers had to also PvE, especially in Elite Dangerous where you need a vast amount of credits to maintain a PvP career. I believe I can say I have a large amount of experience with both.
I've enjoyed some times playing alongside groups that were more focused on PvE in the past, and as long as players can accept the different playstyles, that is fine to me. I think the major disconnect with some players is their value on roleplaying. Personally, I can't say I value it very much. It's just not an activity that I am accustomed to doing. I did not play roleplaying focused games as a kid like D&D and I don't LARP or whatever else is popular on that scene. That's not to say other people shouldn't, but for me it isn't interesting. I'm playing a videogame and only have so much time and energy for that. To sum up my extent of 'roleplay,' I like to roleplay an assassin/killer/evil bounty hunter somewhat like Boba Fett. If anyone remembers that character from the original Star Wars movies, I think he had a total of like 5 lines. He's not a talker, neither am I (in game). I am just a deadly marauding CMDR looking for his next kill. My absolute favorite activity is balanced wing fights with other PvPers, when those can be attained.
It's a shame that there is not more incentive to this role in the game, like a bounty board or player assigned bounties... that would make it fruitful and meaningful to hunt specific people across the galaxy. I know all of the standard arguments in regard to "gold selling"-- and IMO, the game suffers a lot more without these features than it would from gold selling. If Frontier wanted to be savvy about it, they could even make that work for them financially. But, it is what it is I suppose. Anyway, I've met and befriended plenty of PvE focused players in various forums... and although I love to post and troll people that IMO set themselves up, I'm actually not that bad of a guy.
Anyway, I figured this was one of the best gestures made so far to help close the rift between these polarized sections of the community, so I dropped the trolliness to come and say hello. I generally don't come to these forums much because I see them as pretty one-sided. It would be nice if people could drop their in-game differences though and simply behave like adults when engaging in conversation about the game. After all, it is just a game. o7o7o7
I've enjoyed some times playing alongside groups that were more focused on PvE in the past, and as long as players can accept the different playstyles, that is fine to me. I think the major disconnect with some players is their value on roleplaying. Personally, I can't say I value it very much. It's just not an activity that I am accustomed to doing. I did not play roleplaying focused games as a kid like D&D and I don't LARP or whatever else is popular on that scene. That's not to say other people shouldn't, but for me it isn't interesting. I'm playing a videogame and only have so much time and energy for that. To sum up my extent of 'roleplay,' I like to roleplay an assassin/killer/evil bounty hunter somewhat like Boba Fett. If anyone remembers that character from the original Star Wars movies, I think he had a total of like 5 lines. He's not a talker, neither am I (in game). I am just a deadly marauding CMDR looking for his next kill. My absolute favorite activity is balanced wing fights with other PvPers, when those can be attained.
It's a shame that there is not more incentive to this role in the game, like a bounty board or player assigned bounties... that would make it fruitful and meaningful to hunt specific people across the galaxy. I know all of the standard arguments in regard to "gold selling"-- and IMO, the game suffers a lot more without these features than it would from gold selling. If Frontier wanted to be savvy about it, they could even make that work for them financially. But, it is what it is I suppose. Anyway, I've met and befriended plenty of PvE focused players in various forums... and although I love to post and troll people that IMO set themselves up, I'm actually not that bad of a guy.
Anyway, I figured this was one of the best gestures made so far to help close the rift between these polarized sections of the community, so I dropped the trolliness to come and say hello. I generally don't come to these forums much because I see them as pretty one-sided. It would be nice if people could drop their in-game differences though and simply behave like adults when engaging in conversation about the game. After all, it is just a game. o7o7o7
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