UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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crushdepth

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pocketmoon said:
Of for Nyarlathotep sake is it (partially) a "qpsk constellation diagram" :D i swear to god I'm so far down the rabbit hole on this one (Voyager I -> Manchester Code-> phase shift signals....) my sanity points are taking a big hit [alien][alien][alien]

Rob... gibber....
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This is actually interesting and plausible. I'm not going to slap you with my frozen trout. This time.

Now, how do we use it? And which signal to decode?? Going to need a radio head by the looks of it.
 
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liveontimemitnoevil

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This is a little odd...I inverted the phase of the UP audio, and part of the message disappeared! I can hear the final arc, but for whatever reason, it is not registering on the spectrograph.

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Vitamin Arrr

Vitamin Arrr
Jmanis said:
I hate to say it, but of course that sounds like morse, because it's someone's interpretation of something they heard as morse.

I'm not familiar with where that came from, and would be interested to hear the original audio...
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It is a verbatim, direct, as close to the millisecond as I could get, transliteration of one of Vent's tests. See my previous post. The original audio is in his sig.

It doesn't sound like Morse because I think it's Morse; I think it's Morse because the varied lengths of the spaces between the tones in the UP audio make it sound an awful lot like Morse. Also, it translates perfectly into Morse. Problem is the letters are gobbledegook. Some kinda code, just like the UA was, but more complex and more multi-dimensional.

I suspect it's a 3D diagram of some kind, based on how closely the circular diagram resembles a 3D polar coordinates representation (y'know, theta, phi, rho; USE). But how to map the Morse onto those?
 

Vitamin Arrr

Vitamin Arrr
Shaewyn said:
Yeah, that midi transcription, nice as it is, is way off from what I hear.
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The problem is your hearing. The high pitch sounds are there; they have been clearly documented in these links from the front page that everyone should review before posting ignorant and dismissive misinformation:
UP audio - Chirps Analysis:
CMDR IsAB's research
CMDR Kloopy's research

No offense man. Your pattern analysis on the purrs is in the right direction. But you folks really need to factor in the chirps, which are much more obviously and more often grouped in sets of 3, or this may never get solved. I made that MIDI file so that those of you who are having a hard time hearing the chirps, due either to being partially deaf, having terrible speakers, or having lots of noise in your place, could hear them and hopefully crack this cipher.

ISab's analysis of them is probably the most thorough and best anyone has done. It kinda blew me away. We need to look more into that, in terms of the QPSK constellations like someone brilliantly conceived above.

There could also be some kind of XOR going on between the two bitstreams.
 
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Muetdhiver

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One possibility would be a similar thing to the ship drawing/scanning stuff, but with instructions to draw curved lines and such on a grid
instead of segments and triangles.

Such as :

1) one pair of characters : draw a line from the center to the point
2) two pairs of points equidistant from the center, draw an arc

and so on. I'll be honest here, I tried to get somewhere with this and the chirps and it did not work.
But I'm crap at morse (in the end I used kloopy's stuff which is awesome work), and apparently the
chirps are just random noise similar to the UA's from what one explained to me.
 
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Vitamin Arrr

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pocketmoon said:
Of for Nyarlathotep sake is it (partially) a "qpsk constellation diagram" :D i swear to god I'm so far down the rabbit hole on this one (Voyager I -> Manchester Code-> phase shift signals....) my sanity points are taking a big hit [alien][alien][alien]



Rob... gibber....
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I think you are on to something. If they are using a scrambling key at the beginning of a header we could use that to decrypt. See pages 32-33 here: http://www.ecma-international.org/p...T-ARCH/ECMA-387 1st edition December 2008.pdf
 

Zaroca

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Sorry if it has been posted but I didn't found it by searching on this thread.


We know that UPs point towards Merope 5C but what if they are not making any "bubble" and they only appear in a specific place (i.e. system, planet orbit, etc.). In this case the sound image maybe can be related to the origin system (the system UPs are supposed to scan from the place they are supposed to be, because they already were there as long they doesn't move by themselves)


Following this idea, the vast majority of UP are carried by G 99-49 Life Industry convoys (according to this, all confirmed UPs except two), so isn't illogical to think that they not only are carrying them, maybe they also found them somewhere. So I think we have to check every system where G 99-49 is present.


...Sorry if my English is not very good but I've ran out of coffee -.-
 
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pretzil

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NorMonsta said:
figs are always pollenated by wasps...................watch out for spacewasps
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By this you are implying wasps do something useful! The only use I have noticed is that they provide a buzzy and stingy notification to the blind that they are approaching a theme park/ family attraction rubbish bin. Other than that they are the thugs of the insect kingdom.
 

Vitamin Arrr

Vitamin Arrr
Just gonna throw this out there: if it howls close to planets then it stands to reason it can detect the Van Allen belts. Which makes it a Van Allen probe, at least in part. Therefore its signal may be an indication of a presence of certain types of radiation. This could correllate with the dots we see on the scanner sometimes.

I mean, look at the diagrams here: http://emfisis.physics.uiowa.edu/data/index They look very much like our signals we have seen from this probe, at least in part.

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Han_Zen

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Vitamin Arrr said:
Just gonna throw this out there: if it howls close to planets then it stands to reason it can detect the Van Allen belts. Which makes it a Van Allen probe, at least in part. Therefore its signal may be an indication of a presence of certain types of radiation. This could correllate with the dots we see on the scanner sometimes.

I mean, look at the diagrams here: http://emfisis.physics.uiowa.edu/data/index They look very much like our signals we have seen from this probe, at least in part.

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Rep for bringing up the Van Allen belt, that I think are important in this story.

I do however thing you are wrong in assuming the UP uses it for planet detection.

A large portion of the planets we deal with don't have their own magnetosphere and therefor no Van Allen belt. The UP and UA still detects them without problem.

Planets like M5C are probably orbiting in the magnetosphere of their central body (M5), like the moons of Saturn:

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I think barnacles are attracted to this kind of environment, because of the all the particles that are captured by the magnetic field. Particularly in nebulae, where the access to space borne particles are greater to begin with.

It's like regular barnacles that prefer to live in places with current (or on whales :D), to have a constant flow of nutrients.
 

pocketmoon

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crushdepth said:
This is actually interesting and plausible. I'm not going to slap you with my frozen trout. This time.

Now, how do we use it? And which signal to decode?? Going to need a radio head by the looks of it.
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Ah... :) This kind of encoding relies on a shift in the phase of a signal to encode (more) stuff. The first job (I have) is to time the tuba notes and see where the 'phase' shifts between them and then write some custom software to decode it!! Hence the rabbit hole. It's a long way down and a lot of effort that may be after the wrong rabbit.
 

iFred

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All we know is: They are pointing to Merope 5c. I bet they were tested in any magnetosphere, in the vicinity of all star classes and any possible combination of systems - they are still pointing to 5c.

From my point of view we should bury the theories of magentospheres and all other stuff - its just a pointer.

Understanding the picture shoud be highest priority. We still have nothing....
 

NorMonsta

NorMonsta
pretzil said:
By this you are implying wasps do something useful! The only use I have noticed is that they provide a buzzy and stingy notification to the blind that they are approaching a theme park/ family attraction rubbish bin. Other than that they are the thugs of the insect kingdom.
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space wasps = thargoids?

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SpaceWalkerEx said:
WTH is this furry blue thing in the bottom left?
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when playing with fire it pays to have a back up Hair-do
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
iFred said:
All we know is: They are pointing to Merope 5c. I bet they were tested in any magnetosphere, in the vicinity of all star classes and any possible combination of systems - they are still pointing to 5c.

From my point of view we should bury the theories of magentospheres and all other stuff - its just a pointer.

Understanding the picture shoud be highest priority. We still have nothing....
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We are not talking about the pointing. We are talking about the UP howling close to planets and not elsewhere.
 

crushdepth

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pocketmoon said:
Ah... :) This kind of encoding relies on a shift in the phase of a signal to encode (more) stuff. The first job (I have) is to time the tuba notes and see where the 'phase' shifts between them and then write some custom software to decode it!! Hence the rabbit hole. It's a long way down and a lot of effort that may be after the wrong rabbit.
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Apparently there is a phaser effect in Audacity you can use to flip things however you want. May be worth a look, but I have never actually used it.
 
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