I don't think the point is to ECM the UP. Riz has done that.
I think the point is that the UP ECM us, because they are made by....... Well, you know.
UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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I don't think the point is to ECM the UP. Riz has done that.
I think the point is that the UP ECM us, because they are made by....... Well, you know.
Awesome work!
I don't know if being able to do this will yield anything interesting - but I'm sure a few people will have fun playing around with it!
I certainly did and I think I've cracked it ...
[video=youtube;ngQNwEkhorQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngQNwEkhorQ[/video]
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The Canonn Super UP Sphere Image Interactive Rotator Thingy!
Hi everyone, I've been wondering whether the UP image was not meant to be static, but actually an instruction to make a rotating, er, 'thing' of some kind...
don't ask
So anyway, I pulled apart the various bits of the line drawing that's on the first page, and which has been featured in the news, and created a web page where you can layer the various bits together and rotate them independently around the centre point of the 'sphere'. Here's a preview:
http://lab.canonn.science/content/upimagefuns-thumb.png
You can play with it here!
Disclaimer - Your desktop screen should be at least 1450px wide otherwise it's just a complete abomination; and mobile devices will very likely struggle. 9" Tablets and above might be okay, but I can't promise anything!
You can rotate:
- The sphere with the line in it
- All four outer symbols independently
- The top-left arc
- The top-right arcs (together)
- The two outer lines (together)
I don't know if being able to do this will yield anything interesting - but I'm sure a few people will have fun playing around with it!
For the geeks:
The page uses knockoutjs to dynamically bind a bunch of absolutely positioned divs, each with the individual images (transparent pngs) set as their background. Knockoutjs bindings are also used to set CSS3 rotate transforms on each layer, based on the rotation values in the sliders.
In addition to knockout, the page also uses bootstrap 3 + bootstrap slider plugin + its knockout binding handler.
The transform-origin for all the layers is set to the pixel coordinate of the centre of the 'sphere' so that all elements rotate around the same point. As you'll see, it's very-slightly off, but not enough as to interfere that much.
That is so cool.
That actually looks like a spnning globe thing you see in old movies...
i think they call it "globe"....
coincidence?
i think they call it "globe"....
coincidence?
Very cool. Sorry, out of rep. This is basically what I've been doing in photoshop with layers. Couldn't really come up with anything workable though
Guys, enter these angles into Zolton's website here: http://lab.canonn.science/upimagefuns.html
261, 90, 0, 240, 82, 177. Fight between empire and federation was hidden in this message the WHOLE TIME! *Tinfoiling increases*
261, 90, 0, 240, 82, 177. Fight between empire and federation was hidden in this message the WHOLE TIME! *Tinfoiling increases*
Thanks! (+ everyone - so kind)
Might be able to tweak it to actually get the sliders to work on mobile, although they'll obscure the image - give me 15mins
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I'll add something so you can share links to that
Give me... er... 30mins -snip-
I'll add something so you can share links to that
Zoltan, serious question:
If this whole rotating image doesn't pan out, maybe we can use it to make a secret canonn code to pass messages without the federation [REDACTED].
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The Germans are building pocket battleships to get around it I hear.
Because, you know, the background lore and narrative direction of a game isn't important until two years in. Sigh.
Your methodology looks good. It's nice to see that my old data is still of some use.
As for your conclusions, it seems highly likely at the moment that the UP idle sound is random. From all the recordings that exist up till now and all the analysis that have been done, none of them could deduce any pattern to the 'transmission' in the sound. It seems like the transmission is not a transmission at all, but just some nice audio.
However, there is one possibility that still exists and that is that the idle sound transmission does not contain information about anything static, but rather something that is continuously changing. This would explain that there are no repeats in the transmission and that two transmissions are never the same. In-game phenomena that meet these criteria are things like the orbital position of planets or, as Kozality suggested to me a whole while ago, time.
I thought my own triple drop-listen test was pretty definitive in terms of checking whether the transmission is random or not, but it cannot rule out the above possibility. One way to test this is to have two UPs (Looking at you The Canonn) and two CMDRs in the same instance and have them both listen to their respective UP at the same time.
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THIS IS PERSONAL TINFOIL, And i have only posted as it may spark creative juices elsewhere !
Thank you to the commanders that assisted last night in checking out the area
Unfortunately nothing special to report o7
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The UP Is “double headed”
The Pleiades is steeped in Greek mythology Google double headed + Greek = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrys
Ok 3 down ish!
Ok no Labrys in the Star maps
Read a bit morePlutarch relates the word labrys with a Lydian word for "axe"
MB Has a thing for “Axes!”
Plutarch Heavensbee - The Hunger Games War tech etc…
Lydian is a musical term ……. “a key”
No Lydian in the gal mapBut there is a Plutarch,
Lydian word for AxeOpen the Galmap for Plutarch…
And open system
MAPINCOMMING TIN FOIL
It’s a double headed system and…. Plutarch is NOT the main start you jump into Gliese the B star
So went to travel to Plutarch
Thank you to the commanders that assisted last night in checking out the area
Unfortunately nothing special to report o7
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The UP Is “double headed”
The Pleiades is steeped in Greek mythology Google double headed + Greek = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrys
Ok 3 down ish!
Ok no Labrys in the Star maps
Read a bit morePlutarch relates the word labrys with a Lydian word for "axe"
MB Has a thing for “Axes!”
Plutarch Heavensbee - The Hunger Games War tech etc…
Lydian is a musical term ……. “a key”
No Lydian in the gal mapBut there is a Plutarch,
Lydian word for AxeOpen the Galmap for Plutarch…
And open system
MAPINCOMMING TIN FOIL
It’s a double headed system and…. Plutarch is NOT the main start you jump into Gliese the B star
So went to travel to Plutarch
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See, the thing that kills me about the UP purrs is that they can't be random. If they were, we would definitely see three highs or three lows in a row, which we never do. So the most random they could be is pseudorandom with that constraint (no triple repeats), and I just can't think of a reason to program them that way. The alternative hypothesis is that the purrs contain information, but I at least have been unable to find any repeating sequences within them. It's super frustrating.
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As has been said many times, awesome, awesome work. That'll give me something to play with on the return race from Jaques.
its a space piiiiiig
Playing with Zoltan's ball (UP image, but rotated) Its interesting the type of data you get spinning the radial line around. These theories have been proposed before, just trying to throw some evidence to support/refute. All numbers based on clockwise motion of radial line.
The pair of outside lines become a pair of numbers, like a coordinate (~97, ~68). The long arc is a range (130-220), and the last quadrant is whack, because you can't associate the radial line with it, you can guess at it (246-259-261). The outside lines will fit it, rather well (178).
If somebody laid out those numbers, in degrees, it looks like a go here, move this far, look this way type deal.
Why this theory doesn't work? The binary numbers, the 1 2 3 4 count. The first is radial line. Ok, got that, the second is the range, the third is the point, and the fourth is the weird signal receive one. To do a move stop face things should be in a different order.
My question for all you smart lads and gals out there. What process of travel/map/calculation starts with an angle (the radial line) or a range (the arc)? The two lines, which may be coords, is step three. So i'd like to stay away from that. IF there's not a process that starts with information the radial line or range arc, we might be able to rule out what this key is used for.
Following the binary number order, the sequence is 0(bearing?), 130-220 (Range?), (97,68)(Position?), (246-259-261)(Wave scanner bearing? Incoming signal?). That's spinning the radial line, might need to change the numbers by 135 (or whatever the radial line angle is) to get 'correct' values. Just trying to see if sensible data -structure- is there before getting picky with numbers.
The pair of outside lines become a pair of numbers, like a coordinate (~97, ~68). The long arc is a range (130-220), and the last quadrant is whack, because you can't associate the radial line with it, you can guess at it (246-259-261). The outside lines will fit it, rather well (178).
If somebody laid out those numbers, in degrees, it looks like a go here, move this far, look this way type deal.
Why this theory doesn't work? The binary numbers, the 1 2 3 4 count. The first is radial line. Ok, got that, the second is the range, the third is the point, and the fourth is the weird signal receive one. To do a move stop face things should be in a different order.
My question for all you smart lads and gals out there. What process of travel/map/calculation starts with an angle (the radial line) or a range (the arc)? The two lines, which may be coords, is step three. So i'd like to stay away from that. IF there's not a process that starts with information the radial line or range arc, we might be able to rule out what this key is used for.
Following the binary number order, the sequence is 0(bearing?), 130-220 (Range?), (97,68)(Position?), (246-259-261)(Wave scanner bearing? Incoming signal?). That's spinning the radial line, might need to change the numbers by 135 (or whatever the radial line angle is) to get 'correct' values. Just trying to see if sensible data -structure- is there before getting picky with numbers.
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I just finished hunting the corridor between Pleiades and Witch Head for possible wild UP spawns. Covered around 80+ systems between from the edge of the shell to HIP 23759 in Witch Head which is around 500 ly. I spent extra time in the range around 200/250/300 +- 15ly on the way out with plans to loiter around rocky/metal planets but the majority of the systems were either star only, icy only, or gas giants. Probably only a handful of proper rocky worlds in all. Interesting exception to the rocky planet observation was HIP 23759. It's the only Blue-White in the nebula so made a good a destination as any. It has 58? bodies with a mix of rocky/metal, mostly gas giants moons. I'd be real surprised if there weren't barnacles there given that one of it's neighbor systems has already been found to have them. Has anyone ever searched it?
I noticed USS spawns of any type drop to practically nothing starting around 300 ly from Merope. There must be something in the game mechanics related to spawns where system makeup and distance to "nearest inhabited system" control what spawns, how often, and where in system. Way out in the wilderness there isn't much of anything.
I'm going to finish scanning everything in HIP 23759 and head back to Merope on the same line. I have half the systems I went through written down and the other half in screen-shots (got lazy). If anyone at Cannon wants the list I'll put it together for them, plus any other systems I hit on the way back.
Probably going to give the whole mystery a rest myself once I get back. Between this and the week before where I was in Ross 47 looking for T4 Convoys I'm pretty much over wandering around in supercruise with nothing to show. At least with this trip I have exploration data and a couple UAs to sell.
I noticed USS spawns of any type drop to practically nothing starting around 300 ly from Merope. There must be something in the game mechanics related to spawns where system makeup and distance to "nearest inhabited system" control what spawns, how often, and where in system. Way out in the wilderness there isn't much of anything.
I'm going to finish scanning everything in HIP 23759 and head back to Merope on the same line. I have half the systems I went through written down and the other half in screen-shots (got lazy). If anyone at Cannon wants the list I'll put it together for them, plus any other systems I hit on the way back.
Probably going to give the whole mystery a rest myself once I get back. Between this and the week before where I was in Ross 47 looking for T4 Convoys I'm pretty much over wandering around in supercruise with nothing to show. At least with this trip I have exploration data and a couple UAs to sell.
I agree. More frustrating for us elders, is the same thing is happening In the UA purrs, I mean never three same purrs in a row, and we never found a solution even then.
Pseudorandom or not, it's suspect.
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