So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

[Aura Lorell]

First discovery on EDSM is based whoever has the earliest log of visiting that system. This means it is also possible that someone using EDSM visited that system without scanning it earlier than Salomé scanned it.

As far as I know and understand, EDSM's "first discovery" is essentially "first report on EDSM" (as you already mentioned). That is not first discovery though. It looks like Salome has the "First Discovered By" tag in the ED database but obviously she didn't log it on EDSM. At some point later another player visited the system and they were either running EDD or reported manually to EDSM and they got the EDSM first discovery (which IMO needs to be renamed to "first reported to EDSM by").

Incidentally, Salome has a few discoveries under her belt and I think she is the "special" NPC player.

Edit: one known to EDSM discovery by Salome is Col 70 Sector PH-E b15-0 named "Aquarius".

 

[Atebits]

I'm sure everyone here has already thought about this. Still, it might be helpful to have an image of the idea:
http://imgur.com/a/jgBsE


If you're looking for someone's flight path searching the volume of the area they passed through is extremely difficult the larger the volume. However, if you are able to determine how far the Systems are apart from one another out there then you can determine the "face" of the volume of a cube to be the search area +/- 100 ly.

Further, by knowing how far the stars are stretched out along that face you can maximize your search effort to include that as many ships as possible searching that region in a systematic way.


For example, if there are 1000 stars across the area of the face of the volume and you have 100 pilots, then every pilot need only search 10 systems. This means that if you do 1 system an hour in 10 hours you will have collectively searched 1000 Systems.

This might be a way to economize your searches for those of you in a larger group.

 

[Captain Stable]

Not sure if this is important/unusual, or just the norm and I've never noticed it.

In the rift right now, and I'm checking everything out, including flying behind planets to check for lights on the surface.
One one fly past of a "Gas Giant with Ammonia Life", I spotted this!

http://imgur.com/a/q2LRr

Like I said, not sure if it's significant or not...

 

[evaldo10]

Not sure if this is important/unusual, or just the norm and I've never noticed it.

In the rift right now, and I'm checking everything out, including flying behind planets to check for lights on the surface.
One one fly past of a "Gas Giant with Ammonia Life", I spotted this!

http://imgur.com/a/q2LRr

Like I said, not sure if it's significant or not...

Not sure what Im looking for.

I just see a gas giant and a few storms

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I'm at "CoR Listening post Beta" / Phrio Phoe MP-E d12-11 now, Salome is the discoverer for the arriving star plus all planets in that stars system. In EDSM, a(nother) player is credited as the discoverer, not Salome, so either Salome is a player without a link to EDSM, or FSDevs has put it there as part of the lore.

I think we need to log any places discovered or visited by Salome.

Following her tracks could be very important.

 

[Pon Farr]

I've popped a note that it was discovered by Salomé on my flight log entry for this system in EDSM. I'll do that with any more I find.

 

[Captain Stable]

Not sure what Im looking for.

I just see a gas giant and a few storms

Ahh.. Storms...

It was the circular "structures"/imprints in the gas that I was questioning. But if it's normal then ignore me

 

[Siranui]

Why are they developing them if we're not going to use them?

You are assuming that the article automatically means 'more jump range for players', though.
That's a bit of a reach from: "One option for investors looking for a risky but possibly lucrative venture is a start-up called MetaDrive Inc., a small company based in the Chi Orionis system specialising in hyperdrive research. The company is reported to be seeking investment.".

I'd be quite surprised - and a little disappointed - if the paragraph means we're getting more powerful hyperdrives to aid in exploration.
It could mean old-style military drives (requiring non-scoopable fuel) or improvements in other areas, such as size, weight, boot time, et cetera... and that's even if it is anything to do with player ships' at all AND if the rumours in a newspaper are true. Or it could be capital ship propulsion technology, or something that's going to go wrong and call Thargoids from witchspace... In short, I wouldn't leap to any conclusions at all just yet.

 

[Muetdhiver]

I could see two things happening :

1) intra system jumps between stars

2) very large ferry ships, similar to a capital ship in size and jump range that can carry you from A to B.

 

[Siranui]

Guys, keep an eye out for signal sources orbiting close to ELWs.

I'm currently on my way back to eafots to check this out, but a friend (who is being annoyingly cryptic!) has said he got a very interesting text and audio message/signal from a satellite orbiting very close to an ELW within eafots. He hasn't given me a specific system

He claims it looked similar (probably the same) as one of the communications satellites found in the bubble.

I'm honestly doubtful, Drew did say it wasn't as simple as a USS and my friend is being very non-specific. But at this point anything is worth checking out...

You are right: He is being annoyingly cryptic!

Sure you're not being wound up?

 

[Siranui]

IF we are dealing with a AI race. And that's a big "IF" Wouldn't it be sensible to search for class O stars as they are the most luminous in the galaxy? I mean... solar power and whatnot.

They are bright because they burn hot and fast. Typically too fast for intelligent life to likely develop. If it was not their 'home' system, a civilisation capable of stellar engineering might not view a type O of having a long and stable enough life for the purpose.... but that said, Type Os are rare and thus the theory is provable and a viable line of investigation.

 

[Gypsy12]

They are bright because they burn hot and fast. Typically too fast for intelligent life to likely develop. If it was not their 'home' system, a civilisation capable of stellar engineering might not view a type O of having a long and stable enough life for the purpose.... but that said, Type Os are rare and thus the theory is provable and a viable line of investigation.

Actually.. had a discussion about this earlier. The lifespan of the star is irrelevant. Its an AI after all (If that is correct) 10 years might be the same a 10000 for us. The topic came up that It would be rather too obvious to put them around a highly visible star. For energy needs it makes sense until you consider nuclear etc... The target (if there is one and is AI) can reside wherever it bloody well pleases. It has no need for a biosphere or solar energy.

That was the first outcome. However we thought a little more.

What is very particular about the heart and soul region is that we have visible pointers in that direction. NO other place that is known in the galaxy has this. We start with the NGC 1822 (S17x) stars and move forward. We come next to the IC 1805 cluster and so and so forth. Each cluster is visible from a thousand LY away or so.

We were stumped. Then we remembered what Halsey had said. About "Caretakers" of the galaxy - Infinitely small, yet infinitely big. We came to a realization.

What if whatever is out there is being "Protected?" As the most similar lifeform to us, "these" totally separate impressive beings have designed clues for us to follow on a galactic scale - they disagree with our standard methods, (of just kill em) but HOWEVER do "hope" that we can get along together when we find them. So have left us breadcrumbs to follow.

In other words, these superbeings want us to find them and get along, but have designed it in a way that is conclusive to that.

We are not sure if we are correct or not, but I do believe it is something worth thinking about.

Gypsy out.

 

[Jon flint]

You are right: He is being annoyingly cryptic!

Sure you're not being wound up?

I'm almost certain he's trolling me... but you never know

 

[Siranui]

Actually.. had a discussion about this earlier. The lifespan of the star is irrelevant. Its an AI after all (If that is correct) 10 years might be the same a 10000 for us.

I'm of the personal opinion that any civilisation capable of engineering on the Kardashev scale would look to the long term when it comes to mega-structure building. If those structures are intended to be monuments of some kind, or sign-posts for other species, then even moreso; otherwise they're just leaving footprints in the sand.

As you said: Power would not be a concern, so why do the equivalent of building a house on an eroding cliff, when you can build your Dyson sphere or whatever somewhere that it'll survive a lot longer.

 

[Dad Rock]

This thread piqued my interest so much that I've just bought Drew Wagar's "Elite: Reclamation" on Audible. I'd literally just pushed out of the bubble and was heading to Jacques Station, but this just might convince me to change my plans...

 

[destructionist]

As I've said the screen shots don't do these images justice so I highly encourage going and seeing for oneself. I'll post them in order from oldest to newest and give a brief description of what I saw. Please use zoom or full screen if you can.

1. Felinoid on left, dove holding olive branch outlined top middle, another entity on the right, in the middle is a smaller felinoid (depicted in profile) pointing at the star with it's nose.
http://i.imgur.com/QzbVdLK.png

2. Same view, a day or so later, not much change from what I can see.
http://i.imgur.com/QHjieOG.png

3. View of the same nebula after jumping to the system the felinoid was pointing to. Older appearing Felinoid face in center. And something to the left, not sure yet.
http://i.imgur.com/DrghRxD.png

4.Far left; dark haired man kissing a women.
http://i.imgur.com/YVcLoii.png

5. This is the nebula from where the Feds and Imps are fighting. Man's face smiling top middle, left middle lighter image of man smiling and a strange circular object to the left of him. Old school boat top right. Pay attention to the smiling face, it will have more details above it next screen shot.
http://i.imgur.com/71cmdQf.png

6. Smiling man a day or so later. Now has a object beside him that looks like an old lunar lander. Again boat far right. Left of face is the witchhead nebula I believe showing through. (Didn't check to see if it was the actual witchhead's or a depiction of it.
http://i.imgur.com/PmqyUvo.png

This isn't all I've seen, just a few of the times I remembered to take screens. Again if anyone can edit them to make the images appear, go for it. Even if you can't see the images, look at the amount of geometrical shapes present in gases.
Please see for yourselves. The backside of the first image is distorted today last I checked. I haven't gotten the timing down or best location to view from in that system. Thank you for your careful perusal.

What drugs should I be on to see all these images?!

 

[Atebits]

The elephant in the room for me is this: ​​"You don't know what I've seen. I've sailed beyond the Formidine Rift, seen the fleets of Octagonal ships blocking out the stars. I've stood on lost worlds, sterilised clean by the Thargoids and erased from humanity's maps."

You can take this one of two ways:
a. a fleet of ships
b. excessively large ships

Hexagonal structures are indicative of
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/h81VUg-HeAo/maxresdefault.jpg

Just to warp your brain a bit:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0f/7a/90/0f7a90ecd22ac3369bc58c8c1930a1e9.jpg
- That's Abydos, Egypt. The image has been burned into the stone. Figure that out.

The edge of the hexagon can be found by viewing any two outer most vertices. This is very important to pay attention for when looking for since of life in nature. It also aids considerably in hints of water. For example: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/22/19/28FD55BF00000578-3093179-image-a-6_1432319582775.jpg

You can find decades of videos and articles written about the "mysteries" of these stones. However, if you look at the cracked sands all around them the answer of how they sail are provided in the geometry of the cracks: hexagons. I.E. Water. Ice forms on the surface of the sands which provides just enough loss of friction that when combined with wind... the stones sail.


Octagons though... I'm not aware of anything living in nature that uses octagons. It would be interesting to find out what does​ make use of octagons consistently. Anyone know?

 

[Siranui]

The elephant in the room for me is this: ​​"You don't know what I've seen. I've sailed beyond the Formidine Rift, seen the fleets of Octagonal ships blocking out the stars. I've stood on lost worlds, sterilised clean by the Thargoids and erased from humanity's maps."

You can take this one of two ways:
a. a fleet of ships
b. excessively large ships

I believe that option 'C' has recently been confirmed: The statements are unrelated, rather than a pair of linked events.

ie: "I have been to Iceland, seen herds of zebra on the plains."

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

I agree that they are probably separate puzzles to be solved....

However, it appears that there is a connenction:



That is from a passage on Drew's site (though I first saw it on the community site):

http://www.drewwagar.com/announcements/elite-dangerous-premonition/

Well, the interconnectedness of all things...
& of course the authorities have been hiding Thargoid- related info, and FR info too, & it's programmed by a small number of development guys, and I wouldn't be surprised if all the stuff that happened with Palin/Halsey etc come together. But until we get more facts then it's better to treat them as separate puzzles to help manage the analysis (& thread reading) load

 

[Atebits]

I believe that option 'C' has recently been confirmed: The statements are unrelated, rather than a pair of linked events.

ie: "I have been to Iceland, seen herds of zebra on the plains."

...

Okay so, how about spectroscopy?

Objects (rather than light sources) have both absorption as well as a transmission. I believe with sapphires these are inverse to one another?
You have 3 light sources of different colors and Prism.


That sounds like an Optics puzzle.
These could also function as coordinates, though probably not particularly large ones.

It might also be layers. 400 parsecs, for instance, the should be around 1400 Light Years.
Combine that with the Star Colors of Sapphire, Diamond, and Ruby and you might be able to get coordinates again.
- http://tiij.org/issues/issues/spring97/techtips/SPECTRUM.GIF

These coordinates, as I'm thinking of it, would probably be in the Gal and specific for that grid or something.

It could be something more wonky though.

 

[Alkibiades]