So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

Ok I thought I'd point out a couple of things that I think get rehashed often, but not always based on the facts we're given. However, first of all:
Please take the time to read the first posts in this thread before posting

With that out of the way ...

Fact 1:
TOW states "Don't tell no one, but I got as far as the Formidine Rift, not many folks can say that! No one has gone past it and lived to tell the tale."

Corollary 1.A:
TOW has not gone across the rift.

Corollary 1.B:
Noone has attempted to cross the rift OR some have tried, but were killed.


Let's put that aside for the moment.


Fact 2:
TOW states "What's there? Wish I could tell you, but they edited my memory pretty good, took me long enough to stitch this lot back together. Whatever it is, it's something that Galcop, the Imps and the Feds don't want us to see. Good luck, and ... right on, Commander."

Corollary 2.A:

TOW believes she has known IT (before her memory was edited). Galcop, the Imps and the Feds know IT as well.

Lemma 2.B:

With 1.A we get: you do not need to go into the rift in order to know what IT is.
Personal injection: ... although it may be necessary to access Imperial or other databanks to find out what IT is, without personally going there.


Let's go to three of Drew's comments I find highly insightful, and let's posit those as
Fact 3:
"Certainly there will be markers that are visible, but not everything is. By searching in the fashion you have been, you may already have seen some aspects of it." and
"A single commander could find the 'answer', but it is more likely to be achieved en-mass." and
"... not a case of finding a POI and the mystery is solved ..."

Corollary 3.A:

Not every clue is a visible clue.

Corollary 3.B:

There are clues which are not immediate (eg. a station out in the rift, a USS, etc.), but rather 'aspects' that, viewed in conjunction, point out an anomaly.


So, what does all of this give us? I think this strongly supports the approach multiple Commanders such as Atrox Lux or Saaol have been adopting as per the evidence on the last couple of pages here: sifting through the rift area and identifying anomalies such as
- the extent of the wayfarer's graveyard,
- unusual frequency of ELWs and/or AWs
- non-procedurally generated system layouts or layouts that appear unusual
Not wanting to dissuade others in pursuing different theories / theories building on the existence of immediate/POI-based clues. However, I'm willing to bet on the pattern-recognition approach.

And just to bring in some tin-foil if the above is too facts-based: Looking at Drew's statement
"disparate story-line threads you’ve seen: Halsey, Artefacts, Probes, Barnacles, Permit locks, The Rift, Imperial politics, Federal machinations, the secretiveness of the Alliance and those ‘Shadowy Figures’ – yes, they’re all connected and this will explain how"
Tells me Halsey is not just a red herring (as I originally assumed). Meaning her ramblings aren't just that, and that either some or all of what she's on about has a grain of truth to it. I'm reading this as she actually HAS been in touch with aliens ("felt the presence of the real caretakers of our galaxy ... spoke to me a... I must share their message." and "They are out there. I have seen them.").

Further, and looking at the connection with permit locks: do we have a guess as to which permit locks it's worth focusing on and which can be excluded?
Eg. assuming Lave's permit lock is due to Allen Stroud's storyline we can EXclude that one, and Bovomit is an easy one to INclude. Any guesses?

Best
tE sqIRREl
 
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Ok I thought I'd point out a couple of things that I think get rehashed often, but not always based on the facts we're given. However, first of all:
Please take the time to read the first posts in this thread before posting

With that out of the way ...

Fact 1:
TOW states "Don't tell no one, but I got as far as the Formidine Rift, not many folks can say that! No one has gone past it and lived to tell the tale."

Corollary 1.A:
TOW has not gone across the rift.

Corollary 1.B:
Noone has attempted to cross the rift OR some have tried, but were killed.


Let's put that aside for the moment.


Fact 2:
TOW states "What's there? Wish I could tell you, but they edited my memory pretty good, took me long enough to stitch this lot back together. Whatever it is, it's something that Galcop, the Imps and the Feds don't want us to see. Good luck, and ... right on, Commander."

Corollary 2.A:

TOW believes she has known IT (before her memory was edited). Galcop, the Imps and the Feds know IT as well.

Lemma 2.B:

With 1.A we get: you do not need to go into the rift in order to know what IT is.
Personal injection: ... although it may be necessary to access Imperial or other databanks to find out what IT is, without personally going there.


Let's go to three of Drew's comments I find highly insightful, and let's posit those as
Fact 3:
"Certainly there will be markers that are visible, but not everything is. By searching in the fashion you have been, you may already have seen some aspects of it." and
"A single commander could find the 'answer', but it is more likely to be achieved en-mass." and
"... not a case of finding a POI and the mystery is solved ..."

Corollary 3.A:

Not every clue is a visible clue.

Corollary 3.B:

There are clues which are not immediate (eg. a station out in the rift, a USS, etc.), but rather 'aspects' that, viewed in conjunction, point out an anomaly.


So, what does all of this give us? I think this strongly supports the approach multiple Commanders such as Atrox Lux or Saaol have been adopting as per the evidence on the last couple of pages here: sifting through the rift area and identifying anomalies such as
- the extent of the wayfarer's graveyard,
- unusual frequency of ELWs and/or AWs
- non-procedurally generated system layouts or layouts that appear unusual
Not wanting to dissuade others in pursuing different theories / theories building on the existence of immediate/POI-based clues. However, I'm willing to bet on the pattern-recognition approach.

And just to bring in some tin-foil if the above is too facts-based: Looking at Drew's statement
"disparate story-line threads you’ve seen: Halsey, Artefacts, Probes, Barnacles, Permit locks, The Rift, Imperial politics, Federal machinations, the secretiveness of the Alliance and those ‘Shadowy Figures’ – yes, they’re all connected and this will explain how"
Tells me Halsey is not just a red herring (as I originally assumed). Meaning her ramblings aren't just that, and that either some or all of what she's on about has a grain of truth to it. I'm reading this as she actually HAS been in touch with aliens ("felt the presence of the real caretakers of our galaxy ... spoke to me a... I must share their message." and "They are out there. I have seen them.").

Further, and looking at the connection with permit locks: do we have a guess as to which permit locks it's worth focusing on and which can be excluded?
Eg. assuming Lave's permit lock is due to Allen Stroud's storyline we can EXclude that one, and Bovomit is an easy one to INclude. Any guesses?

Best
tE sqIRREl

LBN 623 SECTOR JH-V C2-24

Was permit locked, is not anymore. Was just about ready to heading out there myself but if you are looking for those previously locked systems specifically feel free to check it out. If no one does by the time I head out I will post back here with system details etc.

Fly safe o7
 
Interesting view back from the edge of EAFOTS to Heart & Soul on the line I took from the bubble that goes down the R-R line.

I'm not saying there's anything to it, 5 stars above H&S are a Pentagram if traced OR they can be a house shape if only tracing the outside.

Doubt it is anything, but since kitties are being seen in nebulas I thought I'd post this. :)


I came back from a 80k Ly trip saw this in the west veil nebula its a devil I tell ya.

http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/O0110001001001O/screenshot/4639401#
 
CMDR Salome will accept friends requests, and plays as part of the CoR player group, see here: http://childrenofraxxla.com/.

She not only accepts friend requests she also offers them.

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Ok I thought I'd point out a couple of things that I think get rehashed often, but not always based on the facts we're given. However, first of all:
Please take the time to read the first posts in this thread before posting

With that out of the way ...

Fact 1:
TOW states "Don't tell no one, but I got as far as the Formidine Rift, not many folks can say that! No one has gone past it and lived to tell the tale."

Corollary 1.A:
TOW has not gone across the rift.

Corollary 1.B:
Noone has attempted to cross the rift OR some have tried, but were killed.

I absolutely agree. Rebecca has been TO the rift but not across it. Why then does she tell Salome that she needs to plot her way across?

POSSIBLE ANSWER: Whatever Rebecca found on the NEAR side of the Rift was forced to retreat to the FAR side of the Rift. We may be looking for 'bread crumbs' to take us from EAFOTS and then across.
 
LBN 623 SECTOR JH-V C2-24

Was permit locked, is not anymore. Was just about ready to heading out there myself but if you are looking for those previously locked systems specifically feel free to check it out. If no one does by the time I head out I will post back here with system details etc.

Fly safe o7

Interesting. Am on my way back from Jaques now, and will head out to the rift once more. I guess you'll be there long before I get there, so please do share your findings.


She not only accepts friend requests she also offers them.

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I absolutely agree. Rebecca has been TO the rift but not across it. Why then does she tell Salome that she needs to plot her way across?

POSSIBLE ANSWER: Whatever Rebecca found on the NEAR side of the Rift was forced to retreat to the FAR side of the Rift. We may be looking for 'bread crumbs' to take us from EAFOTS and then across.

Agree, that is one possibility.

Question (probably to LuckyLuke and most of the regulars): is it worth approaching our research in a similar way the Canonn have been doing with the UP? Can I suggest we use a section on the first page of this thread to post hypotheses in the following form:

Hypothesis: [hypothesis description]
Testing activities: [steps to be taken to confirm or disprove the hypothesis]
Results: [description of results that lead to the conclusion below]
Hypothesis status: confirmed / rejected / open

Hypothesis: Rho Cassiopeiae holds IT
Testing activities: Go to Rho Cassiopeiae
Results: CMDR turkwinif went to Rho Cassiopeiae. Remarkable system and hard to get to, but no obvious IT
Hypothesis status: rejected

Hypothesis: Whatever Rebecca found on the NEAR side of the Rift was forced to retreat to the FAR side of the Rift
Testing activities: [to be suggested]
Results: tbd
Hypothesis status: open
 
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And just to bring in some tin-foil if the above is too facts-based: Looking at Drew's statement
"disparate story-line threads you’ve seen: Halsey, Artefacts, Probes, Barnacles, Permit locks, The Rift, Imperial politics, Federal machinations, the secretiveness of the Alliance and those ‘Shadowy Figures’ – yes, they’re all connected and this will explain how"
Tells me Halsey is not just a red herring (as I originally assumed). Meaning her ramblings aren't just that, and that either some or all of what she's on about has a grain of truth to it. I'm reading this as she actually HAS been in touch with aliens ("felt the presence of the real caretakers of our galaxy ... spoke to me a... I must share their message." and "They are out there. I have seen them.").

The more I look at this whole UA/UP/Formidine rift/Hasley "Architects", the more I think this is some kind of experimental terraforming project using von-neumann / spacechicken probe
in the H&S region that went horribly wrong in some way. Either controling AI gone divergent seed AI, AI infected by ETI malware ala Eclipse Phase or Thargoid derived biotech going awry.

From the UA/UP I would bet some kind of Advanced semi-sentient terraforming biotech. I do Wonder if the UA/UP are "them" actually trying to find their creators somehow.
 
I absolutely agree. Rebecca has been TO the rift but not across it. Why then does she tell Salome that she needs to plot her way across?

POSSIBLE ANSWER: Whatever Rebecca found on the NEAR side of the Rift was forced to retreat to the FAR side of the Rift. We may be looking for 'bread crumbs' to take us from EAFOTS and then across.

You're ignoring the memory wipe. How would she know she didn't cross the Rift?
 
Interesting. Am on my way back from Jaques now, and will head out to the rift once more. I guess you'll be there long before I get there, so please do share your findings.




Agree, that is one possibility.

Question (probably to LuckyLuke and most of the regulars): is it worth approaching our research in a similar way the Canonn have been doing with the UP?

I doubt it would be easy to track the Formidine Rift mystery the same way as the Canonn do their experiments with the UP. The Canonn are familiar with their subjects: the Barnacles, the Probes, the Artifacts. They have subjects that they can perform experiments on.

With the Rift Mystery there is an entirely different order of scale. If I hypothesize that "IT" is somewhere in EAFOTS then how do you test the hyphothesis? You have to visit every single system in the EAFOTS sector and that is a huge undertaking. So we send Commanders out to explore and catalog every system in EAFOTS. Unless you can get every single Commander to agree to the same search criteria then you'll never know if something was missed. Personally I refuse to explore belts or planetary rings unless I see a really compelling clue that would persuade me to do so. For me this is just too time consuming in an already time consuming task. Other participants would then have to throw out my data because they think visiting the belts and rings might be significant.

Many of us have theorized that "IT" might be in the BOVOMIT sector since it is locked. Until we know what is required to 'unlock' BOVOMIT how do we test the theory? I personally believe that BOVOMIT will be unlocked when Frontier decides to add content to those systems. The only way to PROVE that is to see if Frontier unlocks them before they close shop on game development.

One of the other participants conjectured that they were seeing images in the nebula around Merope. How do you prove that those images are intentional or is simply a case of pareidolia? You really can't unless Frontier themselves come out with a statement.

Keeping a catalog of theories along with tests and results works for Canonn because they have something tangible to work with. Until we have truly hard evidence to work with it would mostly be a list of theories with no clear recommendation of how to go about proving or disproving them.

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You're ignoring the memory wipe. How would she know she didn't cross the Rift?

No. Not ignoring the memory wipe. Think about it. If her memory was wiped then how does she know anything about the Rift at all? In Altera she found a message from herself to herself. She must have told herself in that message that she'd been 'as far as' the Rift. She makes the statement with too much certainty for it not to be true.
 
No. Not ignoring the memory wipe. Think about it. If her memory was wiped then how does she know anything about the Rift at all? In Altera she found a message from herself to herself. She must have told herself in that message that she'd been 'as far as' the Rift. She makes the statement with too much certainty for it not to be true.

As pointed out by the Squirrel above...it was an edit not a wipe, so my bad. That actually makes the point more valid, though (at least, I think it does).
 
As pointed out by the Squirrel above...it was an edit not a wipe, so my bad. That actually makes the point more valid, though (at least, I think it does).

Edited. Wiped. Symantics. Assuming that 'The Old Woman' is the same person who is the main character in Altera she goes from being an Elite rated pilot to believing that she was a librarian ... and living the life of a librarian for who knows how long. That requires a certain degree of 'editing' to implant new memories and 'wiping' to remove others.
 
Salome is a sanctioned player by FD. Its not Drew, and IIRC, Drew said he didn't know who is actually playing her, although I think he is in contact with the player. It might be someone from FD or someone with ties to FD. It is not known if the player has any info from FD that we do not. Just that FD allows them to play the role of Salome.

CMDR Salome will accept friends requests, and plays as part of the CoR player group, see here: http://childrenofraxxla.com/

If you do send them a friend request, don't expect them to respond to requests for info. They probably get bombarded with questions they cannot (or are not allowed to) answer.

Pretty much this :)

Just to clarify a few other things what we've been told and learned over the last year or so.

Salomé works closely with Drew and is used as a vehicle to bring the story from GalNet text and forum hints into the actual game to give it a physical 'presence' that players can interactive with, meet, and have intelligent dialogue with.

We've been asked to see her as an advanced NPC that is only active when in open play. When she is in a private group she should not be contacted as she is being moved, or prepped for coming events. She won't even respond to CoR hails when in private group/solo mode.

She accepts all friends requests.

As the group figurehead, she uses CoR purely to roleplay events and help flesh out certain aspects of the story as it unfolds, but CoR do not receive any special foreknowledge of what's on her mind or what is coming.
 
You're ignoring the memory wipe. How would she know she didn't cross the Rift?

Lets assume for a moment that you're right. Her memory was edited so she can't know that she didn't cross the Rift. By the same token we can't know that she was ever anywhere near the Rift at all. The whole thing could be a memory edit fabricated to make her think she'd seen something out in the Rift and to compel her to try and convince others that there was something out there when in reality ... there's nothing there! The whole thing could have been edited into her mind to create a huge distraction to keep people busy searching for a mystery that doesn't exist.

We either have to take her statements at face value or throw them all out together.
 
Pretty much this :)

Just to clarify a few other things what we've been told and learned over the last year or so.

Salomé works closely with Drew and is used as a vehicle to bring the story from GalNet text and forum hints into the actual game to give it a physical 'presence' that players can interactive with, meet, and have intelligent dialogue with.

We've been asked to see her as an advanced NPC that is only active when in open play. When she is in a private group she should not be contacted as she is being moved, or prepped for coming events. She won't even respond to CoR hails when in private group/solo mode.

She accepts all friends requests.

As the group figurehead, she uses CoR purely to roleplay events and help flesh out certain aspects of the story as it unfolds, but CoR do not receive any special foreknowledge of what's on her mind or what is coming.


Thanks for the clarification. I presume when you say you don't get any special foreknowledge, you might from time to time be asked if you will be around at a specific time to take part in events right? ;)
 
I doubt it would be easy to track the Formidine Rift mystery the same way as the Canonn do their experiments with the UP. The Canonn are familiar with their subjects: the Barnacles, the Probes, the Artifacts. They have subjects that they can perform experiments on.

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Until we know what is required to 'unlock' BOVOMIT how do we test the theory?

[SNIP]

One of the other participants conjectured that they were seeing images in the nebula around Merope. How do you prove that those images are intentional or is simply a case of pareidolia? You really can't unless Frontier themselves come out with a statement.

Keeping a catalog of theories along with tests and results works for Canonn because they have something tangible to work with. Until we have truly hard evidence to work with it would mostly be a list of theories with no clear recommendation of how to go about proving or disproving them.

Yeah fair enough. Obviously the hypotheses would need to be formulated in such a way as to enable proving/disproving. Take the Bovomit issue. Granted, it's hard to prove something is in there unless you can go there. I would argue, though, that Drew's (paraphrasing here) "it has been discoverable since Beta" tells me it's not in Bovomit, as that would make it currently not discoverable.

Don't want to add to the administrative burden of maintaining this thread, though, unless people think it's helping the cause. It was just a suggestion to help think about the issue in a productive way that lends itself to sensible documentation.
 
Soooo I have a theory.

I think the location of The Thing or a clue could be in EAFOTS DU-Y C14-0.

Didn't DW say something about the etymology of Kahina? Well I looked the Berber warrior queen up, her name was Daya Ult Yenfaq Tajrawt. Then I looked up Salome and it turns out that the Dance of the Seven Veils is described in the Bible, in Matthew 14. So I started running combinations of those initials with the EAFOTS systems.

One of them, EAFOTS DU-Y C14-0 lines up with the bubble in spectacular fashion.

EXD4CYW.png

Can someone there check it out?

I've also run some other nearby combos like DY-T and DA-K (Diya al-Kahinat) but they don't line up as well. I also tried some KM-B A systems trying to match the Prism system star order but that didn't really pan out.

Bonus Points: Turns out a one act Opera of Salome was edited by Richard Strauss, another Elite Strauss reference after Johann! :D

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EDIT: Just took another look at EAFOTS DU-Y B14-0, if I line it up to the bubble, it goes right through the heart (Can't think of that without hearing Bon Jovi). It also aligns with the Bible theory better.
 
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Soooo I have a theory.

I think the location of The Thing or a clue could be in EAFOTS DU-Y C14-0.

Didn't DW say something about the etymology of Kahina? Well I looked the Berber warrior queen up, her name was Daya Ult Yenfaq Tajrawt. Then I looked up Salome and it turns out that the Dance of the Seven Veils is described in the Bible, in Matthew 14. So I started running combinations of those initials with the EAFOTS systems.

One of them, EAFOTS DU-Y C14-0 lines up with the bubble in spectacular fashion.


Can someone there check it out?

I've also run some other nearby combos like DY-T and DA-K (Diya al-Kahinat) but they don't line up as well. I also tried some KM-B A systems trying to match the Prism system star order but that didn't really pan out.

Bonus Points: Turns out a one act Opera of Salome was edited by Richard Strauss, another Elite Strauss reference after Johann! :D

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EDIT: Just took another look at EAFOTS DU-Y B14-0, if I line it up to the bubble, it goes right through the heart (Can't think of that without hearing Bon Jovi). It also aligns with the Bible theory better.

Interesting stuff. C14 works better for Chapter 14 though ;)

Be interesting to see if anything is there... someone else though, i'm still a few thousand LYs away.

However, i don't think we are looking for a single system. More of a larger pattern.
 
Just a note though. SHE is not talking about it because that is not The old Lady's quote. It's a musing of old admiral from 'Here the wheel' (iirc). Not trying to be an a*hole, just felt like pointing it out, as some people tend to confuse this quote for what the old lady said.

Yes your totally correct, I think I said she as I was replying to someone's comment plus was late last night.

Its a quote from the kickstarter.

Its not really directly involved with the rift mystery but it does highlight evidence of Thargons however, so could be loosly tied to the rift mystery.
 
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