So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

[Siranui]

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EDIT: Just took another look at EAFOTS DU-Y B14-0, if I line it up to the bubble, it goes right through the heart (Can't think of that without hearing Bon Jovi). It also aligns with the Bible theory better.

Second one is only 350 from me. OMW.

Edit: *however*...

I'm checking this one out because you've done some decent homework and you have a solid system name, which we can check very readily, rather than a vague idea.

Personally, I'm highly dubious that we should be 'playing with combinations' of initials and matching them with system names. That's pretty much numerology. Either the initials are there as a system name, or they are not. After we have a solution, it should be a dead solid fit to the clues. What would be the point in just having the *combination* of initials, rather than simply the initials themselves as a solution? it's rather unsatisfactory from the perspective of creating the puzzle. Having a clue which gives initials which are a star system might be a good puzzle, but just having that combination of letters amongst tens of thousands of lettered systems is not a good puzzle solution.

 

[Atrox Lux]

Interesting stuff. C14 works better for Chapter 14 though

Be interesting to see if anything is there... someone else though, i'm still a few thousand LYs away.

However, i don't think we are looking for a single system. More of a larger pattern.

Yep, it has has been intimated that this is possibly spread over a large expanse of space. But drew has said an awareness of the salome/ seven veils info will help us interpret what we are looking at better. All very myserious!

 

[evaldo10]

She not only accepts friend requests she also offers them.

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I absolutely agree. Rebecca has been TO the rift but not across it. Why then does she tell Salome that she needs to plot her way across?

POSSIBLE ANSWER: Whatever Rebecca found on the NEAR side of the Rift was forced to retreat to the FAR side of the Rift. We may be looking for 'bread crumbs' to take us from EAFOTS and then across.

Yup. Concur.

I'm certainly thinking that way.

I think the breadcrumbs are anomlys in the systems.

I think we need to map any unusual systems within Eafots close to the rift and follow the crumbs across.

You may not even need to fully cross.

What sort of anomolys are we looking for ??

Ammonia worlds ??
Unusual system layouts ??

Would be good to make a list of what sort of anomolys pilots should look out for then have a link on the front page to somewhere they can be listed.

I think also a new clue is coming soon.

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I absolutely agree. Rebecca has been TO the rift but not across it. Why then does she tell Salome that she needs to plot her way across?

POSSIBLE ANSWER: Whatever Rebecca found on the NEAR side of the Rift was forced to retreat to the FAR side of the Rift. We may be looking for 'bread crumbs' to take us from EAFOTS and then across.

Yup. Concur.

The more I look at this whole UA/UP/Formidine rift/Hasley "Architects", the more I think this is some kind of experimental terraforming project using von-neumann / spacechicken probe
in the H&S region that went horribly wrong in some way. Either controling AI gone divergent seed AI, AI infected by ETI malware ala Eclipse Phase or Thargoid derived biotech going awry.

From the UA/UP I would bet some kind of Advanced semi-sentient terraforming biotech. I do Wonder if the UA/UP are "them" actually trying to find their creators somehow.

I agree, and it must be a joint faction initiative.

If your looking at filling in the gaps of the story it certainly fits.

I think it involves the Thargoids and Human clones also. Terraforming involved to.house this breed.

A new species of life maybe either deliberate or accident.

 

[Siranui]

I'm certainly thinking that way.

I think the breadcrumbs are anomlys in the systems.

I think we need to map any unusual systems within Eafots close to the rift and follow the crumbs across.

You may not even need to fully cross.

What sort of anomolys are we looking for ??

Ammonia worlds ??
Unusual system layouts ??

Would be good to make a list of what sort of anomolys pilots should look out for then have a link on the front page to somewhere they can be listed.

I'm keeping an eye out for all of those, but one of my little pet theories right now is that any oddity might be a similarity between systems: Perhaps identical systems spread throughout the sector, which is a clue to engineering on a massive scale. Only those familiar with the area might note it, which plays towards some of the hints.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Any Commanders hanging around the Old Worlds should keep their eyes open for an incoming Freelance Report...

IREA.

 

[evaldo10]

She not only accepts friend requests she also offers them.

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I absolutely agree. Rebecca has been TO the rift but not across it. Why then does she tell Salome that she needs to plot her way across?

POSSIBLE ANSWER: Whatever Rebecca found on the NEAR side of the Rift was forced to retreat to the FAR side of the Rift. We may be looking for 'bread crumbs' to take us from EAFOTS and then across.

Yup. Concur.

Soooo I have a theory.

I think the location of The Thing or a clue could be in EAFOTS DU-Y C14-0.

Didn't DW say something about the etymology of Kahina? Well I looked the Berber warrior queen up, her name was Daya Ult Yenfaq Tajrawt. Then I looked up Salome and it turns out that the Dance of the Seven Veils is described in the Bible, in Matthew 14. So I started running combinations of those initials with the EAFOTS systems.

One of them, EAFOTS DU-Y C14-0 lines up with the bubble in spectacular fashion.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/EXD4CYW.png

Can someone there check it out?

I've also run some other nearby combos like DY-T and DA-K (Diya al-Kahinat) but they don't line up as well. I also tried some KM-B A systems trying to match the Prism system star order but that didn't really pan out.

Bonus Points: Turns out a one act Opera of Salome was edited by Richard Strauss, another Elite Strauss reference after Johann!

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EDIT: Just took another look at EAFOTS DU-Y B14-0, if I line it up to the bubble, it goes right through the heart (Can't think of that without hearing Bon Jovi). It also aligns with the Bible theory better.

Ill have a look in a bit x

 

[Siranui]

EDIT: Just took another look at EAFOTS DU-Y B14-0, if I line it up to the bubble, it goes right through the heart (Can't think of that without hearing Bon Jovi). It also aligns with the Bible theory better.

Am currently there.

M class primary, L class secondary.

Eight very boring seeming airless balls of rock around the primary, seven around the secondary.
As usual, one can make an arrow from local stars, as well as a smiley face. Nothing else stands out.

2:3 is 0.5% polonium.

On the bright side, the secondary wasn't 100,000 Ls away!

 

[Muetdhiver]

Any Commanders hanging around the Old Worlds should keep their eyes open for an incoming Freelance Report...

IREA.

What do you mean ? Submiting a player ganet thingy are you ?

 

[evaldo10]

I'm keeping an eye out for all of those, but one of my little pet theories right now is that any oddity might be a similarity between systems: Perhaps identical systems spread throughout the sector, which is a clue to engineering on a massive scale. Only those familiar with the area might note it, which plays towards some of the hints.

Yes another thing to keep an eye out for.

Ive seen a Class B star the same age as T Tauri star.

Can this be correct ??.

I think it was the same system as BA-A GO with the black hole.

That system is an interesting one. Black hole plus strange suns. Only one jump point out of the system as well.

That system could be the start of something. Possibly something came out of the black hole or something created the black hole maybe.

I may follow the GO systems in alphabet order and see what happens.

 

[evaldo10]

So I've been thinking about lore and the storys etc.

Dark Wheel and Reclamation seem to be the main Lore stories at the moment.

I believe they are tied in.

In my mind the old lady is Elysia Fields/Ryder, she married Alex and had children.

Liz Ryder is one of these children or grandchildren.

Alex and Elysia joined the Dark Wheel and Liz grew up within that group as a result.

Liz leaves the Dark Wheel possibly falling out with her parents, she becomes a hermit/engineer.

When Elysia loses Alex she goes on a journey to the rift, she was probably aware of strange ' goings on '

She found something and was captured by Fed/Imp forces but before captured she leaves clue in the Cobras systems.

Prior to the memory edit she also records a message and hides it in Imp archives.

On her death her Cobra returns to the same place she and Alex stole it from, the graveyard in Tionisla.

I know this doesn't really add to helping find whatever is out there directly but I think having an idea of the background may help for places to look.

I'm also thinking the next clue is coming from Liz Ryder some time this week !!!

 

[Siranui]

Yes another thing to keep an eye out for.

Ive seen a Class B star the same age as T Tauri star.

Can this be correct ??.

I've seen class O stars the same age as neutron stars and black holes in the same system. I wouldn't really hold much faith in E's stellar age dates.

 

[Jaiotu]

Yeah fair enough. Obviously the hypotheses would need to be formulated in such a way as to enable proving/disproving. Take the Bovomit issue. Granted, it's hard to prove something is in there unless you can go there. I would argue, though, that Drew's (paraphrasing here) "it has been discoverable since Beta" tells me it's not in Bovomit, as that would make it currently not discoverable.

Don't want to add to the administrative burden of maintaining this thread, though, unless people think it's helping the cause. It was just a suggestion to help think about the issue in a productive way that lends itself to sensible documentation.

Its not a bad suggestion at all. I'm just not sure that we're at a point where something like this would be of maximum benefit. Once we have something a little more concrete to work with this methodology might be exactly the right direction to go in.

 

[evaldo10]

On a lighter note yesterday i got an email.about a flat viewing from Jason Ryder at the estate agents !!!!

Also while at my mums I looked out the window to the parking area and it has drainage covers ( or something similar ) shaped like Cobra mk3's.

This mystery is following me around like a bad dream. Ha

 

[Jaiotu]

... In my mind the old lady is Elysia Fields/Ryder, she married Alex and had children ...

That has certainly been suggested but it seems far more likely that the woman is Rebecca Weston/Tyley from Drew's Oolite Saga. In Reclamation she claims that she flew a Cobra Mk III that was produced by 'Apocalypse Engineering'. Rebecca and James Feynman/McKenna, flew just such a model spacecraft in Status Quo while Elyssia Fields and Jason Ryder stole a standard Cowell & McGrath model from Tionisla. Add to that the woman's recollection of aliens of all kinds (feline, reptilian, avian) and her recollection of the word "Ragazza" in Altera and you have way too many pointers to Rebecca while any evidence of her being Fields relies almost totally on conjecture.

 

[evaldo10]

I've seen class O stars the same age as neutron stars and black holes in the same system. I wouldn't really hold much faith in E's stellar age dates.

So nothing strange then.

If thats the case then we shouldn't worry about star ages and focus on other things.

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That has certainly been suggested but it seems far more likely that the woman is Rebecca Weston/Tyley from Drew's Oolite Saga. In Reclamation she claims that she flew a Cobra Mk III that was produced by 'Apocalypse Engineering'. Rebecca and James Feynman/McKenna, flew just such a model spacecraft in Status Quo while Elyssia Fields and Jason Ryder stole a standard Cowell & McGrath model from Tionisla. Add to that the woman's recollection of aliens of all kinds (feline, reptilian, avian) and her recollection of the word "Ragazza" in Altera and you have way too many pointers to Rebecca while any evidence of her being Fields relies almost totally on conjecture.

Except the Oolite books have nothing to.do with Elite.

This is why nothing in Oolite books are canon to Elite hence it cannot be Rebecca.

It may be that the idea came from the Oolite books but have needed to be altered to suit the Elite lore.

Dark wheel and Reclamation are the only 2 storys that are Elite lore.

You need to discount anything from Oolite all together.

 

[Atebits]

Just a thought, the name of the Rift having to do with "fear" may imply an action to be taken rather than an implication of affect.

 

[ActualSpacePimp]

Welcome to the thread hhiram. None of us know exactly what out in the Formidine Rift ... if anything at all. Honestly that isn't important. Most of us working on this mystery are invested in it as much for the sense of community as we are for the potential of solving the mystery.

Thanks for expressing your opinions regarding the 'Salome character'. I truly doubt that the in-game player operating under that name is actually Drew ... I base that on the fact the Drew has said that it isn't him. The person playing as Salome is simply a very well-informed player.

I don't think I'll be disappointed at whatever the 'Easter egg' turns out to be. I'm not looking for anything 'Earth shattering'. It could be a simply thing like a line of text in a planet discription that turn out to be a joke. I'd be happy with that.

I would like to ask you why you feel the need to come here to try and spoil other people's enjoyment in Elite: Dangerous. Has the game become such a bitter disappointment to you that simply seeing other people actually loving the game and enjoying it is so infuriating that you feel a need to inject venom into the conversation to 'poison the well' as it were?

There's plenty in the game to be frustrated about, but personally attacking Drew, who seems to be a pretty stand up guy is kind of messed up.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

What do you mean ? Submiting a player ganet thingy are you ?

Yep, one of them there Galnet thingies.
Has been approved and everything.

 

[Jaiotu]

There's plenty in the game to be frustrated about, but personally attacking Drew, who seems to be a pretty stand up guy is kind of messed up.

I certainly hope that reply was meant for hhiram and not me. I don't recall ever having personally attacked Drew. He's not even on my in-game KOS list

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So nothing strange then.

If thats the case then we shouldn't worry about star ages and focus on other things.

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Except the Oolite books have nothing to.do with Elite.

This is why nothing in Oolite books are canon to Elite hence it cannot be Rebecca.

It may be that the idea came from the Oolite books but have needed to be altered to suit the Elite lore.

Dark wheel and Reclamation are the only 2 storys that are Elite lore.

You need to discount anything from Oolite all together.

Ah but you forget: Drew has specifically stated that he snuck things into Reclamation as 'easter eggs' for Oolite fans.

Plus: The Dark Wheel and the original Elite aren't completely canon either.

EDIT: This is from Drew's FAQ on Reclamation:

Q. Is the old woman in the hospital Rebecca Tyley from your Oolite books, or is she Elyssia Fields from ‘The Dark Wheel’?

My Oolite books are not canon to the ED universe, neither is ‘The Dark Wheel’ any more. Parallel universes will naturally share a lot in common.

 

[Helfar]

I thought Reclamation WAS canon. The Dark Wheel was written back at the time of the original Elite, so the history maybe slightly different, but I am vaguely aware that it has been said that the Dark Wheel is accurate.